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[Lieutenant Kurin]

Dorian, Son of Andraste. I like it. I want it.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

actually I kind of roleplay this already...kind of lol. Since the only name we know her by is Andraste I pretend that her real name (either her first name or that Andraste is what they call her now but she actually had another name that has long since been forgotten) and so I decided that her real name was Claire and so....

 

The Warden- Claire Cousland (romanced Leliana)

 

The Champion- Claire Hawke (romanced Isabela)

 

The Inquisitor- Claire Trevelyan (will romance Sera)

 

All have the same first name and I role play that each of them share a fate/destiny that ties them all together which in part is because they have the forgotten name of Andraste and so could be seen as her descendants in a reincarnated sort of way.   

[Gervaise]

I used to wonder if Calenhad was a descendant of Andraste bearing in mind his origins were somewhat obscure but he came from the right part of the world.   Then again you could possibly have the situation like that of Charlamaine where in fact a large part of the European population are descended from him but it is nothing significant as a result.   The more sons Andraste had, the more likely that would be.    There is no direct male descendant but lots of peasants carrying her inheritance.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I used to wonder if Calenhad was a descendant of Andraste bearing in mind his origins were somewhat obscure but he came from the right part of the world.   Then again you could possibly have the situation like that of Charlamaine where in fact a large part of the European population are descended from him but it is nothing significant as a result.   The more sons Andraste had, the more likely that would be.    There is no direct male descendant but lots of peasants carrying her inheritance.

 

I wondered about this myself when DA2 first came out and the quest in the Winding Woods.  King Calenhad was from the Alamarri Tribes just like Andraste was, or they could possibly be descendants from Maferath.  After Andraste died, one of those scripts in that quest said he did live on and had other children.  I don't think it's far fetched either way.  

[Daerog]

Descendants of Andraste would also be descendants of Maferath.

 

People would ooo and aaww, but they have no claim to anything other than history.

 

Andraste is not a goddess, her children were not Anointed, so the Chantry shouldn't care.

[SeekerOfLight]

But isn't she technically worshipped though, I mean the veneration she gets is really toeing the line next to worship. Even the inquisitor's title 'Herald of Andraste', not 'Herald of the Maker', is evidence that the White Chantry has made Andraste into a de facto divine being.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That doesn't mean her kids get the same veneration. They are often referred to as "The Sons of Betrayal."

[Br3admax]

But isn't she technically worshipped though, I mean the veneration she gets is really toeing the line next to worship. Even the inquisitor's title 'Herald of Andraste', not 'Herald of the Maker', is evidence that the White Chantry has made Andraste into a de facto divine being.

That's because the Maker isn't in the Fade and the Maker doesn't care about this world. Why would they assume the Maker did anything besides shake his head again? 

[SeekerOfLight]

Maybe they wouldn't get the same divine treatment by the Chantry. But their presence would reinforce the fact that Andraste was a mortal woman, not a divine being that should be worshipped.

 

Which would be a massive threat to the Chantry's power structure e.g. only being able to serve in positions of authority in the Chantry.

[SeekerOfLight]

That's because the Maker isn't in the Fade and the Maker doesn't care about this world. Why would they assume the Maker did anything besides shake his head again? 

 

I agree with you, but one of the central tenets of Andrastism, is that there is only 'One world and One God'. You don't get to bypass that by deifying your prophet.

[Daerog]

World of Thedas does not say anywhere that Andraste is divine (a goddess or anything like one), but she is the Chosen One.

 

The Chantry does not deny that she had children, there is no denial that she was a mortal. The difference between Chantry and Imperial Chantry is that the Chantry sees her as the Chosen One and bride of the maker, while the Imperial Chantry see her as a great woman, an Anointed (maybe, didn't clearly state in WoT), but do not see her as a main focus. They lessen her importance in the overall faith compared to the Chantry.

 

Andraste is more or less the mediator between the faithful and the Maker.... I guess, that language hasn't been used so far, but it would make sense. The Maker still looks for the faithful to bring to his side when they die, but the Maker does not intercede/intervene anymore. I kind of wonder how much theology they actually have worked out for Andrastianism...

 

I could be wrong, haven't reviewed Andrastianism in WoT in a while.

 

Edit: Descendants running around would not threaten the Chantry. A descendant, or one who claims to be one, may mislead some people, like that dragon cult revering a dragon, but the scholars and Chantry faithful wouldn't care that much.

[Br3admax]

I agree with you, but one of the central tenets of Andrastism, is that there is only 'One world and One God'. You don't get to bypass that by deifying your prophet.

She's not deified, but she is the only one that anyone is going to agree wants to interatct with and save this world. It's practically in the Chant. 

[Urazz]

You know if Leliana was a descendant to Andraste I think the Guardian of the Temple of the Sacred Ashes would have notice.

Would he be able to recognize the bloodline?  I'm not so sure and even if he could would he bother revealing it to Leliana in the first place?  It's not like being related to Andraste is going to guarantee you some measure of divinity or anything like that.

[dantares83]

World of Thedas does not say anywhere that Andraste is divine (a goddess or anything like one), but she is the Chosen One.

 

The Chantry does not deny that she had children, there is no denial that she was a mortal. The difference between Chantry and Imperial Chantry is that the Chantry sees her as the Chosen One and bride of the maker, while the Imperial Chantry see her as a great woman, an Anointed (maybe, didn't clearly state in WoT), but do not see her as a main focus. They lessen her importance in the overall faith compared to the Chantry.

 

Andraste is more or less the mediator between the faithful and the Maker.... I guess, that language hasn't been used so far, but it would make sense. The Maker still looks for the faithful to bring to his side when they die, but the Maker does not intercede/intervene anymore. I kind of wonder how much theology they actually have worked out for Andrastianism...

 

I could be wrong, haven't reviewed Andrastianism in WoT in a while.

 

Edit: Descendants running around would not threaten the Chantry. A descendant, or one who claims to be one, may mislead some people, like that dragon cult revering a dragon, but the scholars and Chantry faithful wouldn't care that much.

 

isn't Andraste another name for Jesus?

[Tielis]

One of the books you give Wynne is a theory that Andraste was a mage.  What if Andraste's descendants were mages?  That would be very interesting!

 

Oh, and if any character we know would be a descendant of Andraste, it would be Fiona for sure.

[Br3admax]

Fiona is an elf. Therefore she is not the descendant of any humans ever. 

[Tielis]

Fiona is an elf. Therefore she is not the descendant of any humans ever. 

 

Pfft, like that detail would matter for her.

[dantares83]

One of the books you give Wynne is a theory that Andraste was a mage.  What if Andraste's descendants were mages?  That would be very interesting!

 

Oh, and if any character we know would be a descendant of Andraste, it would be Fiona for sure.

 

But Fiona is an elf and elf gene is always repressed. Whoever the elf mate with, the children will be non-elf.

 

I'm thinking is a human mage.

[Br3admax]

Elf genes aren't even repressed. They magically transform. Even Fiona has her limits. 

[Daerog]

isn't Andraste another name for Jesus?

 

No. I'd say more of a mix between Joan of Arc and Mary, but not Jesus.

 

Comparing Andraste to Jesus is like comparing the Chantry to Catholicism, some similarities but so many differences that it isn't a really good comparison unless speaking specifically about a person having disciples and preaching or how the religion is structured (sort of).

 

It's really just best to not compare them, it just leads to confusion and misinformation. Best to just take what it is and how it is presented to us by books or the game, using real world stuff just creates incorrect ideas about how Andraste is viewed or how the Chantry operates.

[Dusksworn]

Elf genes aren't even repressed. They magically transform. Even Fiona has her limits. 

So, any child you have with an Elf is practically your clone?

 

Anyhow, if we're discussing Leliana as a possible descendant of Andraste, it's worth pointing out that both Leliana and Andraste are singers. In fact, it was Andraste's singing skill that supposedly caught the attention of the Maker.

 

So really, Leliana's visions could just be a result of singing kind of good.