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[frankf43]

 I almost sprayed Diet Coke out of my nose.

 

That hurts quite a bit. Not quite as bad as hot tea though. I've done both.

[Rawgrim]

That hurts quite a bit. Not quite as bad as hot tea though. I've done both.

 

I inhaled hot tea all the way into my lungs once. Never laugh while drinking stuff.

[sunnydxmen]

and i want to kill the warden and morrigan we all cant get what we want sometimes.

[Super Drone]

and i want to kill the warden and morrigan we all cant get what we want sometimes.

 

The Warden's not even one person, it's a Quantum narrative convergence. Why could you possibily want to kill a concept?

[thats1evildude]

well really is a obligation encounter with hawke and help him?my idea for next inquisitor is a qunari and he hate the mages(my hawke mage kill the arishock),we have option for example enclose or kill a hawke mage or templar?

other option is not help or not accept the help of him?

Wouldn't a Tal-Vashoth be glad someone killed the Arishok?

[Super Drone]

Wouldn't a Tal-Vashoth be glad someone killed the Arishok?

 

My Tal-Vashoth would certainly buy Hawke a beer.

 

"Killed the Arishok, huh? Rockin', I'll bet that guy was a D*ck-hole"

[Starscream723]

Not really relevant but that might be the best/creepiest avatar I've ever seen.

 

What about the Mass Effect version?

 

[Starscream723]

The Warden's not even one person, it's a Quantum narrative convergence. Why could you possibily want to kill a concept?

 

It's BSN. We want options to kill EVERYTHING. Twice, if possible.

[PhroXenGold]

Because they didn't like the game (fair enough) and blame it on the character?

Because he had a voice? (Seriously).

Because he was a human, and couldn't be any other race?

Because people felt he had too much established character, and wasn't just a blank canvas for them to paint how they wanted?

Because there were things in the game that he couldn't change?

Because he was just a guy who was trying to cope with all the crappy situations that kept getting thrown at him, instead of a world-altering God who could outright decide everything that happened in His world?

Because the choices in his game were more about deciding how he reacted to events, his attitude, and his relationship with his friends, rather than choosing the specific outcomes of major world events?

Because they already decided they wanted to be Their Warden?

 

Basically pick from the above, mix & match style. Replace "He" with "She" if necessary.

 

Heh, yeah, apart from maybe the human only thing - and even that wasn't really an issue, as the whole point is you're playing Hawke not a completely player created character - those pretty much sum up why I felt Hawke was one of, if not the best RPG protagonists I've played as. He couldn't just do everything. He wasn't single handedly shaping the world. He wasn't the last hope to save everything from destruction. He was just a (relatively) ordinary person in extra-ordinary circumstances, and frankly he did as much as anyone could reasonably expect. And because of that, he felt like a real person.

 

It's depressing that, given so many people's reaction to DA2, Bioware might shy away from telling that kind of story again. The game wasn't without its flaws, but they weren't down to either Hawke or the style of the story told.

[n7stormrunner]

It's BSN. We want options to kill EVERYTHING. Twice, if possible.

 

 

and sleep with everything. don't forget the fade to black sex scenes.

[Starscream723]

and sleep with everything. don't forget the fade to black sex scenes.

 

It has to fade to black. I only want to see the actual sex scenes if everybody is wearing realistic armour plating.

 

Then afterwards I also want to kill and/or have sex with the armour plating.

[Teddie Sage]

After Merrill's odd looking romance scene, I'm okay with fade to black then your characters fully dressed.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

It's BSN. We want options to kill EVERYTHING. Twice, if possible.

 

and sleep with everything. don't forget the fade to black sex scenes.

 

...sometimes at the same time!

[Amaror]

Heh, yeah, apart from maybe the human only thing - and even that wasn't really an issue, as the whole point is you're playing Hawke not a completely player created character - those pretty much sum up why I felt Hawke was one of, if not the best RPG protagonists I've played as. He couldn't just do everything. He wasn't single handedly shaping the world. He wasn't the last hope to save everything from destruction. He was just a (relatively) ordinary person in extra-ordinary circumstances, and frankly he did as much as anyone could reasonably expect. And because of that, he felt like a real person.

 

It's depressing that, given so many people's reaction to DA2, Bioware might shy away from telling that kind of story again. The game wasn't without its flaws, but they weren't down to either Hawke or the style of the story told.

 

Ok, i don't even hate hawke it's just fun to make fun about his fuckups, but i have to disagree with you here.

Hawke was not an established character. He was just as much a blank slate as the Warden was. The player decided Hawke's attitude and character just like always. 

The problem was that none of it mattered. The player choose what hawke would say, roughly, but the npc's would react the exact same no matter what you said. A lot of choices were brought up like you were some world-fate deciding god, like the templar vs mages conflict, but they also didn't matter.

The flaws weren't in the story told or the main character, but in the story that was told and the reactions to the main character.

 

Anyway if you really liked hawke because of the above reasons i can tell you you should definetly try the Witcher games. Geralt actually is an established character and not a blank slate. He get dragged into large events and tries to survive while protecting the ones he loves. The choices he makes start out as small scale but can have rather big consequences for geralt. He's still not deciding the fate of the world, though.

[Eveangaline]

Maybe the Hawke we see is just a fade vision of Varrics (or an even more exaggerated version of Hawke as a fade version from Cassandra, based on Varrics lies)

[n7stormrunner]

...sometimes at the same time!

 

also one then the other then the first one again. we have some sick people here 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

If positive, Hawke goes full retard, becomes an anti-hero and ruins the inquisitors plans at Merill/Anders levels!

[LobselVith8]

Why do people hate Hawke, again? I'm confused.

 

Different reasons. Hawke's passivity in situations where he was capable of taking action (like when he did nothing about Tallis taking a list of Qunari spies or when Petrice announced her intentions of harming innocent people to ignite a religious war), being a heavily pre-defined character with traits that were outside player control (which is something some fans of RPGs dislike), and the disconnect with the auto-dialogue and the poor paraphrasing that often resulted in Hawke saying things entirely different than what players chose (like choosing to tell Elthina that she's "useless" resulting in Hawke belligerently screaming "Get out of my way!") were contributing factors for some people as to why they didn't connect with Hawke or disliked the character.

[aTigerslunch]

Homicidal Maniac meds for anyone that needs them....................

[Reaverwind]

Hawke didn't start anything.  His/her main gift was the ability to survive, no matter what the game threw at them.

 

Hawke's only claim to fame is that he killed a few Qunari (always a crowd pleaser) and managed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't see why my inquisitors should be impressed with him.

[Star fury]

If positive, Hawke goes full retard, becomes an anti-hero and ruins the inquisitors plans at Merill/Anders levels!

Hawke went full retard during the whole game, since the start of DA2.

[n7stormrunner]

Homicidal Maniac meds for anyone that needs them....................

 

tried that... then they turned into reavers.

[Ceoldoren]

More like he turns up in the middle of a terrible situation (two blights and a war against the qunari, perhaps) and because he gets dragged into it and doesn't save the day by bringing peace to all mankind, people bizarrely think he caused it.

Yeah, I've never understood the people who say 'Hawke is a moron who let his mother die, failed to stop the qunari in time, and caused the Mage/templar war.'  He didn't cause any of these things, they just happened and he was there.

[Eterna]

The reasons people hate Hawke happen to be the reasons I love him/her. He/she is just a walking disaster!