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Leliana's Possible "Death" in Origins, but Resurrection in DA2


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#51
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The game tells us that ressurection is not possible with magic, in this land of magic and miracles. So magic can do this and that, but not raise people from the dead.

 

She can die during the Sacred Ashes quest. If she is in the party when you defile the ashes. I think she can die in the camp too, if you defiled the ashes.

 

That's a good point, but the game does also make it apparent through discussions with Morrigan that there's more types of magic than even the Circle is aware of, leaving room for revelations in future segments of the story. 



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Antagonising is a slight understatement. More like desecrating the most holy relic of the religion which forms the basis of her entire character...

 

 

Speaking of that, perhaps the Maker really does talk to her and... brings her back?

 

I'm interested in how they're going to explain it for folks who did kill her. But not surprised at all they brought her back. 



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Azaron Nightblade

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ughh.. this again

pointless

 

and also with Lelianas head cut off how many times has this to be said::
its gampeplay !! not canon to the story

you can also cut Zevrans head off and he is fine after that

jesus some people

 

I facepalmed the moment I saw the topic's name.

I'm also strongly hoping for the sake of our species' future that the "hur dur, but ah cut off 'er 'ead!" crowd never reproduces.



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well she never died in mine in any Origins . So this whole topic isn't canon..Phew LOL I though she may have died in a book I didnt read  :lol:



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Speaking of that, perhaps the Maker really does talk to her and... brings her back?

 

I'm interested in how they're going to explain it for folks who did kill her. But not surprised at all they brought her back. 

 

Leliana is the second coming of Andraste...


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I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to understand.

 

The option to kill Leliana was a fun bonus in the context of DA:O as a standalone game.

 

5 years later, we are at DA:I.  The writers have determined that incorporating the character of Leliana into the story makes for a more intriguing story for this game and probably the overall franchise.  The Keep still tracks all the rest of your previously made choices; if they remove one or a few choices like the Leliana one from the Keep in order to make a better stand alone game, I am always going to be for it.  I would even be fine without any Keep at all.  I seem to be one of those rare Dragon Age fans who don't give a **** about choices carrying over between the games.  What I do care about is choices having significant consequences within  the game I am playing (DA2 kind of dropped the ball here, especially considering the possibilities the time jumps allowed for).  Bioware can make a Dragon Age game using any "save state" or start point they want.  I just want them to make the best game possible each time in terms of reactive role-playing.  In fact, I think incorporating previous games' save states is more often than not a limiting factor in reactive role-playing, and can make for a watered down choice/consequence system.  It cuts down on how many branching narrative options the devs can feasibly create in the new game and how significant the content can be in the different paths.

 

Point is: She obviously wasn't "resurrected" in the narrative of the games.  She was never killed in the first place in the context of DA:I, and that's the game we're about to play.  We can accept this and have fun with the new story, or we can rage on the internet and stay stuck in DA:O.  Mark my words: when we get to Dragon Age 10, they aren't going to be able to create a fun game if the players demand it responds to the optional narrative decisions of adopting a nug in DA:I and becoming king of Thedas and abolishing magic in Dragon age 7.



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Ok lets say for us who killed her in the Sacred Ashes quest, will she quote about it in the skyhold or during the game if she meets lets say for example the warden?

I am kinda interested on that.

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If you don't read that whole topic in the link, basically Gaider has posted they will do whatever story they want with whatever characters they want. If any of it contradicts your earlier world-states, then tough luck, because it's their game and he's not going to pander to fans "stamping their feet" on the internet because their playthrough of the story doesn't make sense anymore. Even if you chopped off her head, you only THOUGHT she was dead, but she wasn't. All of those consequences you were told about at the end of the game were just rumours, and will be ignored. It's not looking promising for those that believe the ritual happened and Morrigan got pregnant with a god-baby either.
 
I'm not sure how this reconciles with the promotion of the Dragon Age Keep, dynamic worlds reacting to your choices and consequences, since we've now been told that the things we choose can be retconned into "that never happened" at any time depending on the whims of the writers, but there you go.


It reconciles with your choice because they recognize she died. Don't confuse acknowledging choice with doing it in a satisfying way. As for whether it was satisfying, the fact that she died in the magical mountain that had a room of magical healing ashes whose actual magic may have come from the lyrics in the mountain or an actual god seems to be a pretty good explanation.

If the maker exists, the ashes are divine and the maker could revive her.
If the maker doesn't exist then he only explanation for the ashes is the lyrium in the mountain. So it's not the ashes but the mountain which is magic.

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Why didnt they just gray out those choices on the keep.

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Ok lets say for us who killed her in the Sacred Ashes quest, will she quote about it in the skyhold or during the game if she meets lets say for example the warden?

I am kinda interested on that.

 

She won't be meeting the warden in DAI so that's not a worry



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The game tells us that ressurection is not possible with magic, in this land of magic and miracles. So magic can do this and that, but not raise people from the dead.

 

She can die during the Sacred Ashes quest. If she is in the party when you defile the ashes. I think she can die in the camp too, if you defiled the ashes.

 

Flemeth brings herself back from the dead by creating what seems to be a literal copy of herself. She's either an abomination or some other form of spirit/deity, so clearly she's not bound by these rules. For all we know Leliana got a +1 like Anders.