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[xyzmkrysvr]

Its an issue but not game breaking or a huge gameplay change like the healing mechanics. They will address the issue they have confirmed it what is the problem? Relax and wait.

  

No one ever said that lack of hair options was "game breaking" but plenty of people here have said that it will prevent them from playing as a female Qunari, which is kind of a big deal because that was one of the most hyped and anticipated of the playable races.
And actually it IS a huge change: in every single example of concept art, comic book artwork, and in-game depiction the Qunari have been displayed as having LONG white hair. Now? We don't even get a medium length hairstyle. It's bullshit.

And I'm grateful that the devs have said they will look into adding more hairstyles post-launch, but I don't understand why I have to wait until the game comes out to have some simple, easy questions answered (like why we can't have a separate slider for horns/hair). It's something that would take the devs a couple minutes to explain.

And, if adding new hairstyles is too hard, they could appease a lot of us by making a couple changes to the CC (like letting hornless female Qunari use the other races' hairstyles). I don't understand why Patrick Weekes wrote a veritable novel explaining the healing mechanics changes but we can't even get a single sentence explaining the baffling decisions made revolving around female Qunari hairstyles.

So is anyone going to pick not the mohawk option, or has that just become the default Qunari hair for pretty much everyone? Because I mean between that and the skin blotches of no horns...

Well, I gave up on playing a female Qunari, but I'm probably going to use the Mohawk on my male Qunari.

[Caboods]

I just don't understand why they offer wax bald but not fuzz.

 

 

They give the freaking elves fuzz but not the Qunari.

 

Wat.

Oh god yes please I need a buzzcut style. I absolutely love the look of women with buzzed hair

[Naoto]

I understand that they focused on the horns blah blah blah, etc. etc. but there's a few things that keeps that from being a valid excuse (at least for me) (Also, I know I'm going to come off as aggressive but I'm trying to be assertive, so please keep that in mine.)

 

1. Artwork

   Yes, I know "concept art is merely that, a concept. An idea that hasn't been finalized" BUT I'm not only talking about concept art, but comic art as well.

ex.

     http://i.imgur.com/dP3yg0e.jpg

 

This is official artwork that HAS moved past concept.

 

2. Retcon of the Qunari race

   The qunari race changed between origins and 2 quite drastically. The Arishock had long flowing hair in 2, and many Qunari had hair at least past the ear. So why the HELL would you back peddle? Sure, they have the horns, but in every depiction of the redesigned Qunari in between 2 and inquisition I have seen almost entirely long haired qunari, male and female. Adding the Origins style of Qunari hair is fine, but making it the only thing available is probaby the WORST design choice in the entire cc system of Inquisition, 

ex.

    http://static-3.nexu...-1372155137.jpg

 

3. The CC system

   You know, if every race had less than desireable hairstyles this would be different. I didn't like any of the hairstyles in Origins, yet I still played it......but Inquisition has what looks to be one of the absolute BEST customization systems, you can add and move tattoos to any part of the face, change the nose to have a crook, mess with eye colors but inner and outer iris, and there's a multitude of facial and normal hair.......so my question i this......did they give the qunari race to an intern? I could honestly believe it. It drags down the entire cc system, I mean it! I could have the most original character with this system.....UNLESS I choose a Qunari! Now of course people will say, "Well you've got horns for originality" and yeah, you do, I could be a bald to semi-bald qunari with horns.....just like any other person who plays a Qunari, yes, I am the MOST original Qunari!

 

4. Not listening to the fans

   Fan: "Excuse me Bioware, we don't particularly care for your qunari hairs, we don't want the styles removed, just a bit more variety"

Bioware: "We hear you loud and clear and apperciate your concern! So we might look into it post release, possibly, not for sure, maybe........most likely not though, we'll probably just "respect the original vision of our design team" and do a patchwork job that will not make anyone content whatsoever, but either enrage or aggrivate people so much they'll either continue to rant or just give up......also that'll be $15 because we're owned by EA"

You KNOW there's a huge probability it'll happen exactly like this, it did before. AND they hear but DON'T CARE!

"You want healing in the game? We've got potions for that and a giant system for that, and if we gave you healing less people would use it so screw you guys, live with what WE want"

"You want more hair options? Well we gave you a bunch of horn options so live with it"

I understand where they're coming from with the healing, etc. but it really just comes off as stubbornness, like their vision is blurred because of their own Pride in what they've made, criticism goes in one ear and out the other because they can't admit to being wrong. They justify EVERYTHING they do and it pisses me off.

You fucked up Bioware, you need to fix this, not because I say so but because your fans are very unsatisfied.

You're a business, not an author, you're "vision" your desires should be second to those of the consumer, UNLESS your #1 desire is to make the game the way YOU want to without changes. If that's the case then keep doing what you're doing, BUT you can't have both good profit and that at the same time, it's one or the other. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

So in short this has upset me, pissed me off, gotten me knickers in a twist, however you wanna say it; to the point that if I get the game I'm not going to play as a Qunari. A female Qunari was my drive for getting this game launch day, but not I'm questioning that, and whether I should even TRY to salvage something with the Qunari cc if I do get it. Bioware, you're overcharging for your game like every other company, don't try to tell me you aren't; so at LEAST be fair and listen to us on what we would like in the product we are purchasing. And if you aren't willing to commit to putting the hair in, (I don't want any of this "maybe" bullshit) then have the balls to say it. Tell the consumers what you plan to offer, don't try to give people hope so that they buy it, and then you never provide it. We DEMAND answers Dammit!!!! 

 

[wolfhowwl]

BioWare just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Qunari culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Orlais where you can become successful by being an a$$hole. If you screw someone over in Par Vollen, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is that gamers, after hearing about this, are not going to play Dragon Age as any race, nor will they purchase any of BioWare's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but BioWare has alienated an entire market with this move.

BioWare, publicly apologize and add more Qunari hair options or you can kiss your business goodbye!!

[Aryvine]

I understand that they focused on the horns blah blah blah, etc. etc. but there's a few things that keeps that from being a valid excuse (at least for me) (Also, I know I'm going to come off as aggressive but I'm trying to be assertive, so please keep that in mine.)

1. Artwork
Yes, I know "concept art is merely that, a concept. An idea that hasn't been finalized" BUT I'm not only talking about concept art, but comic art as well.
ex.
http://i.imgur.com/dP3yg0e.jpg

This is official artwork that HAS moved past concept.

Yes the Qunari here look a lot cooler to me and have more of a definitive design. The long white hair is a top-off for me.
(Also I like these panels because Isabela is getting the crap beat outta her...)

2. Retcon of the Qunari race
The qunari race changed between origins and 2 quite drastically. The Arishock had long flowing hair in 2, and many Qunari had hair at least past the ear. So why the HELL would you back peddle? Sure, they have the horns, but in every depiction of the redesigned Qunari in between 2 and inquisition I have seen almost entirely long haired qunari, male and female. Adding the Origins style of Qunari hair is fine, but making it the only thing available is probaby the WORST design choice in the entire cc system of Inquisition,
ex.
http://static-3.nexu...-1372155137.jpg

Yeah I agree, they really had a thing going...

3. The CC system
You know, if every race had less than desireable hairstyles this would be different. I didn't like any of the hairstyles in Origins, yet I still played it......but Inquisition has what looks to be one of the absolute BEST customization systems, you can add and move tattoos to any part of the face, change the nose to have a crook, mess with eye colors but inner and outer iris, and there's a multitude of facial and normal hair.......so my question i this......did they give the qunari race to an intern? I could honestly believe it. It drags down the entire cc system, I mean it! I could have the most original character with this system.....UNLESS I choose a Qunari! Now of course people will say, "Well you've got horns for originality" and yeah, you do, I could be a bald to semi-bald qunari with horns.....just like any other person who plays a Qunari, yes, I am the MOST original Qunari!

It is a lot easier to live with the other races' selection of hair. The Qunari do seem a little... neglected in comparison.

It's good how you admitted this post would come off aggressive as it does seem like you're very passionate hehe. They did say they'd look into it, and I hope they do decide to do something complementary with the Qunari hair because I really do enjoy their overall design and presence more in the comic art. Other than that I know the crew worked really hard making this game so they could share it with all of us (for our monies ofc hehe), and I hope they know how much we appreciate it (even if sometimes we complain.)

As for the healing... well I think they're just asking us who are apprehensive to trust them, and I like to have faith in that so I hope it works out.

And just for laughs, (light-hearted)

...did they give the qunari race to an intern?

Spoiler

(Sorry, I couldn't help it.) XD

[MzHyde]

Nice rant there Naoto. I'm with you. I really want to play as a female qunari mage and am very distressed that she can't have gorgeous horns with long hair. That was my vision and they completely dashed it! Don't get me started on the romances either. Yeah, go ahead Bioware, gimme the race I want to play as more than anything else. Then go ahead and shaft a couple of the aspects I am looking most forward to! I don't get why they didn't just have seperate sliders for the horns and hair. Hey Bioware, it's Captain Obvious giving you a much needed slap in the face! What were they thinking? Now I have to somehow salvage my wrecked dream. I actually am having to muster all my willpower to resist playing an elf instead. That's how much this matters! An elf?! That's not what my inquisitor is supposed to be! I had it all planned, every aspect of who she is, and why she is that way. Mother******!!!!!

[xyzmkrysvr]

*snip*
Bioware, you're overcharging for your game like every other company, don't try to tell me you aren't; so at LEAST be fair and listen to us on what we would like in the product we are purchasing. And if you aren't willing to commit to putting the hair in, (I don't want any of this "maybe" bullshit) then have the balls to say it. Tell the consumers what you plan to offer, don't try to give people hope so that they buy it, and then you never provide it. We DEMAND answers Dammit!!!!

First of all, welcome to the BSN Naoto! I saw that this was your first post here and I'm honored you decided to lend your voice in support of our passionate plea for more female Qunari hair options.

I agree with 99% of what you said, with exception to the bit I quoted above: Bioware isn't overcharging for their game. There's 150+ hours in DA:I and it costs the same as games that have between 5-20 hours worth of content. That's called a ******* bargain and it's one of the reasons Bioware is my favorite video game developer of all time.

I have been waiting for DA:I since before we knew what it was called and I would gladly pay twice or even triple what they're charging for it because the replayability alone makes it well worth the money. If they want to charge for hair DLC, I'm fine with that. I will be buying any and every DLC Bioware releases for DA:I, and I'm hopeful the devs will be kind enough to listen to our pleas and give us more female Qunari hair options

[AresKeith]

I understand that they focused on the horns blah blah blah, etc. etc. but there's a few things that keeps that from being a valid excuse (at least for me) (Also, I know I'm going to come off as aggressive but I'm trying to be assertive, so please keep that in mine.)

 

1. Artwork

   Yes, I know "concept art is merely that, a concept. An idea that hasn't been finalized" BUT I'm not only talking about concept art, but comic art as well.

ex.

     http://i.imgur.com/dP3yg0e.jpg

 

This is official artwork that HAS moved past concept.

 

2. Retcon of the Qunari race

   The qunari race changed between origins and 2 quite drastically. The Arishock had long flowing hair in 2, and many Qunari had hair at least past the ear. So why the HELL would you back peddle? Sure, they have the horns, but in every depiction of the redesigned Qunari in between 2 and inquisition I have seen almost entirely long haired qunari, male and female. Adding the Origins style of Qunari hair is fine, but making it the only thing available is probaby the WORST design choice in the entire cc system of Inquisition, 

ex.

    http://static-3.nexu...-1372155137.jpg

 

3. The CC system

   You know, if every race had less than desireable hairstyles this would be different. I didn't like any of the hairstyles in Origins, yet I still played it......but Inquisition has what looks to be one of the absolute BEST customization systems, you can add and move tattoos to any part of the face, change the nose to have a crook, mess with eye colors but inner and outer iris, and there's a multitude of facial and normal hair.......so my question i this......did they give the qunari race to an intern? I could honestly believe it. It drags down the entire cc system, I mean it! I could have the most original character with this system.....UNLESS I choose a Qunari! Now of course people will say, "Well you've got horns for originality" and yeah, you do, I could be a bald to semi-bald qunari with horns.....just like any other person who plays a Qunari, yes, I am the MOST original Qunari!

 

4. Not listening to the fans

   Fan: "Excuse me Bioware, we don't particularly care for your qunari hairs, we don't want the styles removed, just a bit more variety"

Bioware: "We hear you loud and clear and apperciate your concern! So we might look into it post release, possibly, not for sure, maybe........most likely not though, we'll probably just "respect the original vision of our design team" and do a patchwork job that will not make anyone content whatsoever, but either enrage or aggrivate people so much they'll either continue to rant or just give up......also that'll be $15 because we're owned by EA"

You KNOW there's a huge probability it'll happen exactly like this, it did before. AND they hear but DON'T CARE!

"You want healing in the game? We've got potions for that and a giant system for that, and if we gave you healing less people would use it so screw you guys, live with what WE want"

"You want more hair options? Well we gave you a bunch of horn options so live with it"

I understand where they're coming from with the healing, etc. but it really just comes off as stubbornness, like their vision is blurred because of their own Pride in what they've made, criticism goes in one ear and out the other because they can't admit to being wrong. They justify EVERYTHING they do and it pisses me off.

You fucked up Bioware, you need to fix this, not because I say so but because your fans are very unsatisfied.

You're a business, not an author, you're "vision" your desires should be second to those of the consumer, UNLESS your #1 desire is to make the game the way YOU want to without changes. If that's the case then keep doing what you're doing, BUT you can't have both good profit and that at the same time, it's one or the other. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

So in short this has upset me, pissed me off, gotten me knickers in a twist, however you wanna say it; to the point that if I get the game I'm not going to play as a Qunari. A female Qunari was my drive for getting this game launch day, but not I'm questioning that, and whether I should even TRY to salvage something with the Qunari cc if I do get it. Bioware, you're overcharging for your game like every other company, don't try to tell me you aren't; so at LEAST be fair and listen to us on what we would like in the product we are purchasing. And if you aren't willing to commit to putting the hair in, (I don't want any of this "maybe" bullshit) then have the balls to say it. Tell the consumers what you plan to offer, don't try to give people hope so that they buy it, and then you never provide it. We DEMAND answers Dammit!!!! 

 

Overreaction/10

[xyzmkrysvr]

Overreaction/10

Kindly go read the Site Rules, specifically the section under the sub-header titled "Spam":
("Do not post communication lacking in meaningful content or posts that do not contribute directly to the conversation. People who spam post links to non-BioWare products, or repetitive information also fall into this category.")

Your meaningless post did NOTHING to contribute to the conversation. You've already said that you're fine with the limited female Qunari hair options, so I don't know why you waste your time coming back to this thread to post drivel like that.

This is a thread for people to voice their thoughts regarding the female Qunari hair options and to let Bioware know how disappointed they are. We don't need you to come in and validate our views and we certainly don't want you to make others feel bad for expressing their honest opinion.

[Naoto]

First of all, welcome to the BSN Naoto! I saw that this was your first post here and I'm honored you decided to lend your voice in support of our passionate plea for more female Qunari hair options.

I agree with 99% of what you said, with exception to the bit I quoted above: Bioware isn't overcharging for their game. There's 150+ hours in DA:I and it costs the same as games that have between 5-20 hours worth of content. That's called a ******* bargain and it's one of the reasons Bioware is my favorite video game developer of all time.

I have been waiting for DA:I since before we knew what it was called and I would gladly pay twice or even triple what they're charging for it because the replayability alone makes it well worth the money. If they want to charge for hair DLC, I'm fine with that. I will be buying any and every DLC Bioware releases for DA:I, and I'm hopeful the devs will be kind enough to listen to our pleas and give us more female Qunari hair options

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with paying for it I feel it's worth it (Hell, I'm getting a collector's edition of Persona Q so I can't really say I'm not willing to pay for games)......but in the long run it'll be a $100+ game. They'll most likely make their money back and more within the first few weeks. I am willing to pay that and more for a game with that much content and replay-ability, not to mention the ammount of effort they'll put into it even after release. I just feel like if we're paying upwards of $60/$70 they could at least listen to us a bit more. I would rather have them hear and consider what we have to say than get extra quest dlc. I like being listened to, and I like it when they care more about fans than say money or their own agendas, because you need to think about your consumers, not just your ego or your wallet. 

 

And thank you for the welcome, its a game series I'm very passionate about. And I wouldn't be getting this passionate if I didn't think Bioware could provide, I know how good they are, Mass Effect was great and the design of Male and Fem (especially Fem) Hawke were amazing! So design choices have always been good. So if female qunaris end up being their first major fluke.....I'll be sad but I won't don pitchforks. lol

[MzHyde]

I agree with 99% of what you said, with exception to the bit I quoted above: Bioware isn't overcharging for their game. There's 150+ hours in DA:I and it costs the same as games that have between 5-20 hours worth of content. That's called a ******* bargain and it's one of the reasons Bioware is my favorite video game developer of all time.

You have a point there, but when it comes to the hair styles, there's really no good reason for what they're presenting to be so lacking. None! All the other races were better off in that department. If they do provide more hairstyles in a DLC pack for cash, I'm not buying out of principle most likely. There should already be better hairstyles than that. The only reason there isn't is because they fudged up with how they approached it! No one would have to pay a cent had they gotten it right in the first place! The horns and hair should have been kept seperate. Don't no one try to give me some excuse for why they couldn't do that either. I got two words for ya, Skyrim Argonian.(though the customization there was limited as well) *sigh* I guess it could be worse....but I wanna be mad! Don't you rain on my parade too!

[Naoto]

Yes the Qunari here look a lot cooler to me and have more of a definitive design. The long white hair is a top-off for me.
(Also I like these panels because Isabela is getting the crap beat outta her...)

Yeah I agree, they really had a thing going...

It is a lot easier to live with the other races' selection of hair. The Qunari do seem a little... neglected in comparison.

It's good how you admitted this post would come off aggressive as it does seem like you're very passionate hehe. They did say they'd look into it, and I hope they do decide to do something complementary with the Qunari hair because I really do enjoy their overall design and presence more in the comic art. Other than that I know the crew worked really hard making this game so they could share it with all of us (for our monies ofc hehe), and I hope they know how much we appreciate it (even if sometimes we complain.)

As for the healing... well I think they're just asking us who are apprehensive to trust them, and I like to have faith in that so I hope it works out.

And just for laughs, (light-hearted)

Spoiler

(Sorry, I couldn't help it.) XD

Yeah, I'm fine with the healing it was explained well. It's really just the constant justification for some of their more controversial decisions (ME3 ending). The healing was not a very good example because it does make sense and is understandable from a design standpoint.....I just couldn't think of anything better off the top of my head. lol

 

And that gif is simply amazing! XD

[xyzmkrysvr]

You have a point there, but when it comes to the hair styles, there's really no good reason for what they're presenting to be so lacking. None! All the other races were better off in that department. If they do provide more hairstyles in a DLC pack for cash, I'm not buying out of principle most likely. There should already be better hairstyles than that. The only reason there isn't is because they fudged up with how they approached it! No one would have to pay a cent had they gotten it right in the first place! The horns and hair should have been kept seperate. Don't no one try to give me some excuse for why they couldn't do that either. I got two words for ya, Skyrim Argonian.(though the customization there was limited as well) *sigh* I guess it could be worse....but I wanna be mad! Don't you rain on my parade too!

Hey, I agree with you! And I've been one of the loudest (and probably most annoying ) critics of Bioware's baffling decisions revolving the limited female Qunari hair options... I mean, EA gave Bioware an extra YEAR of development time in part to add Qunari as a playable race... So it's not like they were rushed for time. The only thing I can think of is each race is allocated a certain amount of time/resources and the devs chose to prioritize cool horns instead of giving us nice hair... But, like I've said before, I think the fans would rather have 5 awesome horns and 5 attractive hairstyles that we could mix and match instead of 10 cool horns and 3 ugly hairstyles! ...Bioware definitely dropped the ball with the female Qunari.

[Ser Jynx]

At least DAI has 40 confirmed major ending changes along with minor details.

 

Everything looks great. Except the hair needs work (qunari foremost).

[xyzmkrysvr]

At least DAI has 40 confirmed major ending changes along with minor details.
 
Everything looks great. Except the hair needs work (qunari foremost).

What did Bioware say about a ME:3's endings before the game launched? I'm pretty sure they promised us something a little more compelling than "red, blue, and green"... All I'm saying is I'm not going to get my hopes up regarding the "40 confirmed major ending changed".

After seeing the disapointing female Qunari hair options, I'm going to go into playing the game with low expectations. That way, I can be pleasantly surprised if things turn out better than I anticipated!

[Nefla]

It seems like more of an expensive waste in the long run to make Qunari but not give them hair. It's like they're half-finished. Would it have been more worth it to spend extra time to make a few decent hair options instead of just cutting corners and ending up with something almost no one wants to play? (female Qunari)

[Nefla]

What did Bioware say about a ME:3's endings before the game launched? I'm pretty sure they promised us something a little more compelling than "red, blue, and green"... All I'm saying is I'm not going to get my hopes up regarding the "40 confirmed major ending changed".

After seeing the disapointing female Qunari hair options, I'm going to go into playing the game with low expectations. That way, I can be pleasantly surprised if things turn out better than I anticipated!

16 different endings, wildly branching storylines, etc...

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

It seems like more of an expensive waste in the long run to make Qunari but not give them hair. It's like they're half-finished. Would it have been more worth it to spend extra time to make a few decent hair options instead of just cutting corners and ending up with something almost no one wants to play? (female Qunari)

 

And why do you assume 'almost no one' wants to play them? 

 

I still see plenty of people outside of here wanting to play them. Myself included. Not everyone cares about this that much.

[Naoto]

At least DAI has 40 confirmed major ending changes along with minor details.

 

Everything looks great. Except the hair needs work (qunari foremost).

Exactly! It looks amazing! I mean, I feel bad about complaining because they worked hard and nothing will ever be perfect so people will always find something to complain about.....but customization is one of the parts of the game I look forward to the most. My motive is to convince them to enhance the game....I just hope they don't take it as me tearing them down....which I kind of did in parts of my rant....whoops. "^-^

[xyzmkrysvr]

And why do you assume almost no one wants to play them?

I still see plenty of people outside of here wanting to play them. Myself included.

Yeah but are you as excited to play them now as you were before you saw the three hair options? I still WANT to play a female Qunari mage (because I've been planning this character for months now) but I don't know if *will* because I don't want to look at the back of her ugly head for 150+ hours.

[Nefla]

And why do you assume almost no one wants to play them? 

 

I still see plenty of people outside of here wanting to play them. Myself included. 

I don't. I see people's negative reaction to seeing the CC options. I wanted to play one too before I knew how limited and ugly our options were. I can definitely see female Qunari being the least chosen character.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Yeah but are you as excited to play them now as you were before you saw the three hair options? 

 

Yes.

 

I don't. I see people's negative reaction to seeing the CC options. 

 

That's because you spend so much time in here. 

[Naoto]

And why do you assume 'almost no one' wants to play them? 

 

I still see plenty of people outside of here wanting to play them. Myself included. Not everyone cares about this that much.

Yeah, I may not be the happiest with it but I can see myself playing as something akin to this http://4.bp.blogspot...male qunari.jpg

 

Even though I want to play as a more adult version of this http://th01.devianta...tts-d7i0m1b.jpg

[Nefla]

Yeah but are you as excited to play them now as you were before you saw the three hair options? I still WANT to play a female Qunari mage (because I've been planning this character for months now) but I don't know if *will* because I don't want to look at the back of her ugly head for 150+ hours.

Exactly. Reluctantly settling because you've already had a character in mind isn't the same thing as going into the CC and thinking "oh wow, this race is awesome! I want to be this over any of the others!" Most casual players will gravitate towards human anyway, I doubt playing a lady with a mud blob stuck to her head will be very tempting.