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[Nefla]

well the devs need to know that many of us don't care about this issue so when they do have resources, they use them elsewhere

A person not caring isn't the same as a person telling everyone who does care that they shouldn't, they're wrong for caring, and that they should shut up.

 

There have been plenty of posts along the lines of "I don't really care what my Qunari looks like, I'm just excited to play them for the first time" or "I would have preferred better styles but it's not that big of a deal for me" those are actually helpful feedback for BioWare, unlike "hair is hard, you should all shut up and be glad there's multiplayer!"

[Ryzaki]

So BioWare don't see the Qunari the way BioWare have made the Qunari in DA:O, DA2, MotA, all concept art and comics, as well as Inquisition's own race selection screen? Good to know.

 

I swear that tarot card is some grade A trolling.

 

Long lustrous hair...then you get into the actual CC...

[Nefla]

I swear that tarot card is some grade A trolling.

 

Long lustrous hair...then you get into the actual CC...

Can you have burn scars in the CC? I could try to headcannon that all her hair was burned off in the fadesplosion or...something.

[Ryzaki]

Can you have burn scars in the CC? I could try to headcannon that all her hair was burned off in the fadesplosion or...something.

 

I'd hope some of those scars ended up being burn marks. But I'm not sure.

 

I was thinking the same. I was gonna use the fifth hornless style and headcanoned it as longer but it got on something after the fade explosion and she hacked it all off trying to get away.

[The Antagonist]

Well, clearly there are dozens (if not hundreds) of people of who disagree with you about this as this thread is pushing 130 pages in just six weeks.

this thread has 8 people posting over and over again

[Mad Cassidy]

well the devs need to know that many of us don't care about this issue so when they do have resources, they use them elsewhere

 

That... is the height of pettiness. To specifcally come in to a thread to rain on someone else's parade... I shake my head.

 

There are a great number of things I don't care about in a game, yet somehow I restrain myself from visiting other people's threads to write about how I think BioWare should ignore them. I respect that they think it's important, even if I don't. You might not care about a given issue. Congratulations. But why then devote time and energy to trying to convince a company not to give people something they want?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It's pretty shocking, the extent to which people presenting reasonable positions are attacked or dismissed if they even mildly disagree. This is no way to go about feedback. It renders the thread into an angry echo chamber, and that is of no use to anyone, regardless of their position.

[Nefla]

I'd hope some of those scars ended up being burn marks. But I'm not sure.

 

I was thinking the same. I was gonna use the fifth hornless style and headcanoned it as longer but it got on something after the fade explosion and she hacked it all off trying to get away.

Pretty sad that we have to do that

 

this thread has 8 people posting over and over again

There are a handful of regulars, but plenty of one or two time posters.

[Nefla]

It's pretty shocking, the extent to which people presenting reasonable positions are attacked or dismissed if they even mildly disagree. This is no way to go about feedback. It renders the thread into an angry echo chamber, and that is of no use to anyone, regardless of their position.

When did that happen?

[Ryzaki]

When did that happen?

 

I'm thinking people are including snidely telling us hair is hard like we don't know that and we should be grateful we even get to play qunari at all are included in said reasonable positions.

[daveliam]

this thread has 8 people posting over and over again

 

Want to go back and count?  You really think that there are 132 pages of 8 people just posting over and over?  Or was that yet another example of BSNer hyperbole in full effect......?

[Revan Reborn]

They aren't being compared, or aren't you aware that that BioWare is owned by EA?

I'm not following your logic. EA is a publisher and they supply BioWare with money for their projects. Other than that, they really have no say in BioWare's creative direction whatsoever. BioWare chose to implement in the Extended Cut. BioWare chooses what kinds of DLC it creates. EA has nothing to do with it.

 

1) BioWare is great at a lot of things but fashion isn't one of them. I believe they didn't have anyone on the team with a good fashion sense (or didn't ask the opinion of such a person) to look at the hair and ballroom outfit and go "you might want to rethink this." I believe the lacking quality of the Qunari hair comes from the artist not knowing what people who take a lot of pride in their appearance would have and the assumption that no one would care and just focus on the horns. (ex the choice to give us the "mudbun" which looks like something a 75 year old schoolmarm from the 1800's would wear instead of Josephine's bun or Elthina's bun or Anora's cinnamon buns)

2) By the time we were shown the CC it was far too late to change anything.

3) YOU were the one who brought up EA and how they want to make the maximum profit and would find something like this worthless, etc...EA did right by the fans for TS4 and it was a very similar scenario to this.

 

If you like the Qunari hair, great! Tell us and BioWare what you like about it. If not, tell us what you would rather have or how it could have been done differently, but don't just sit here and tell us that we're wrong. All of your arguments could be applied to the reused environments in DA2 "BioWare knows how to make a game, it's just technical limitations that kept them from making more than one dungeon" or "do you know how hard it is to make a map? You can't expect BioWare to make unique maps, they chose to focus on important things like anime-esque combat animations and sky portals for enemies to materialize out of" etc...the hair is bad, the Qunari hair is horrible. It's not only poorly textured, but the only styles to choose from are frumpy, manly, and ugly. This will deter a lot of us from playing Qunari and that's not a good thing. You spend countless hours implementing a new race, animating it, making armor and special face paint for it, making several varieties of horns, adding race specific dialogue, etc...and then when it comes to hair (the single most noticeable thing about a person) it's like they went "meh, I don't feel like working on this anymore" and just didn't even care.

Well as I said before, BioWare doesn't want qunari to have the same hairstyles as other races clearly. None of your examples of "proper hair" are qunari women. It's rather interesting, but feedback from the community rarely changes games during development, especially later in the cycle. Feedback is really for something for BioWare to consider in the future, but not for that particular product. Swimming and pools, as you suggested, are more of a gameplay feature and add more functionality to the game. More hair options are purely cosmetic. BioWare is likely to do something that provides more functionality to the game versus something that is purely cosmetic. The most infamous example of DLC that was purely cosmetic was the horse armor DLC for Oblivion, and everybody remembers how well that was received.

 

My argument for DA2 would have actually been "BioWare was experimenting with a new kind of storytelling allowing the player to significantly impact the same location over a period of ten years and see it evolve." Obviously BioWare had less than ideal results, but that was their philosophy and it was an interesting idea worth trying at the time. We can speculate why BioWare failed to provide better and more hair options, instead of the "horrible" ones in the game for qunari. It's difficult to really know where it all went wrong. You'll just have to hope with future DA games that this is something that is resolved early.

[Gill Kaiser]

I really don't get some people, this is Bioware's game, their vision, how THEY see the Qunari, why should they have to change what they think the Kossith look like because a few people aren't aesthetically pleased?

 

This is the "artistic integrity" thing all over again, except in this case it doesn't even make sense as an argument. Every depiction of female qunari prior to DA:I has long hair.

[CENIC]

this thread has 8 people posting over and over again

Present proof, please.

[Gill Kaiser]

BioWare is likely to do something that provides more functionality to the game versus something that is purely cosmetic. The most infamous example of DLC that was purely cosmetic was the horse armor DLC for Oblivion, and everybody remembers how well that was received.

 

The only reason that was received badly was because it was absurdly expensive for something incredibly minor.

[Mad Cassidy]

I'm not following your logic. EA is a publisher and they supply BioWare with money for their projects. Other than that, they really have no say in BioWare's creative direction whatsoever. BioWare chose to implement in the Extended Cut. BioWare chooses what kinds of DLC it creates. EA has nothing to do with it.

 

Well as I said before, BioWare doesn't want qunari to have the same hairstyles as other races clearly. None of your examples of "proper hair" are qunari women. It's rather interesting, but feedback from the community rarely changes games during development, especially later in the cycle. Feedback is really for something for BioWare to consider in the future, but not for that particular product. Swimming and pools, as you suggested, are more of a gameplay feature and add more functionality to the game. More hair options are purely cosmetic. BioWare is likely to do something that provides more functionality to the game versus something that is purely cosmetic. The most infamous example of DLC that was purely cosmetic was the horse armor DLC for Oblivion, and everybody remembers how well that was received.

 

My argument for DA2 would have actually been "BioWare was experimenting with a new kind of storytelling allowing the player to significantly impact the same location over a period of years and see it evolve." Obviously BioWare had less than ideal results, but that was their philosophy and it was an interesting idea worth trying at the time. We can speculate why BioWare failed to provide better and more hair options, instead of the "horrible" ones in the game for qunari. It's difficult to really know where it all went wrong. You'll just have to hope with future DA games that this is something that is resolved early.

 

I appreciate that you're attempting to be civil and clear in your arguments. However, as many times as you try to tell people in this thread the possible 'whys' of the situation, or that they need to wait until the next game, there will never be a resolution. We'll keep circling around the same issue ad nauseum until we're all sick of each-other. This thread was created by and inhabited by posters who think this is an issue, and they'll continue to discuss it, regardless of how futile you think their efforts. So for the sake of the continued peace and civility of this thread, let us disengage.

[llawsford]

I really don't get some people, this is Bioware's game, their vision, how THEY see the Qunari, why should they have to change what they think the Kossith look like because a few people aren't aesthetically pleased?

Because they're doing games for fans, not for themselves. And since we're paying them for it I guess we have a right not to agree with their... rather dissapointing qunari hair vision.

[Bigdoser]

Present proof, please.

I am just going to say this I have been watching this topic since it was made since I love qunari and how they look right now. Going through majority of the pages up to now I have just seen the same people posting again and again. 

 

Now 8 might not be an accurate number but I suspect that this topic is mainly has reached this far is because a "small" circle of people are posting repeatedly. 

 

Now I am not saying that Qunari hair is not an issue but going by youtube comments, gamefaqs, other outlets and people on this forum are quite excited to play Qunari people mention the horns more than the hair actually most people don't even notice the issue. 

 

Oh and some of the examples people are posting I personally will never pick them since I would not want my character to go into battle with that kind of hair and those hairs will be incredibly hard to render without clipping considering all of the Qunari horn options. 

[Ryzaki]

Even if the thread was going with the same few people.

 

Why come in here and whine about it? The devs can clearly see it's the same subset of passionate people. They don't need you to come into the thread (that's keeping to itself mind) and start complaining for them.

[Nefla]

Present proof, please.

Want to go back and count?  You really think that there are 132 pages of 8 people just posting over and over?  Or was that yet another example of BSNer hyperbole in full effect......?

I counted the first 3 pages (before I got bored) and there were 22 unique posters disappointed about hair (not including many of the posters who would later become regulars), a handful who didn't care or just said "hair is hard" and none who liked the hair.

 

I'm thinking people are including snidely telling us hair is hard like we don't know that and we should be grateful we even get to play qunari at all are included in said reasonable positions.

Ah yes of course, how silly of me. Someone telling me that my opinions and desires are wrong and that I should shut up is completely reasonable and I should respect their position

 

Well as I said before, BioWare doesn't want qunari to have the same hairstyles as other races clearly. None of your examples of "proper hair" are qunari women. It's rather interesting, but feedback from the community rarely changes games during development, especially later in the cycle. Feedback is really for something for BioWare to consider in the future, but not for that particular product. Swimming and pools, as you suggested, are more of a gameplay feature and add more functionality to the game. More hair options are purely cosmetic. BioWare is likely to do something that provides more functionality to the game versus something that is purely cosmetic. The most infamous example of DLC that was purely cosmetic was the horse armor DLC for Oblivion, and everybody remembers how well that was received.

 

My argument for DA2 would have actually been "BioWare was experimenting with a new kind of storytelling allowing the player to significantly impact the same location over a period of ten years and see it evolve." Obviously BioWare had less than ideal results, but that was their philosophy and it was an interesting idea worth trying at the time. We can speculate why BioWare failed to provide better and more hair options, instead of the "horrible" ones in the game for qunari. It's difficult to really know where it all went wrong. You'll just have to hope with future DA games that this is something that is resolved early.

Lip shine is cosmetic, Adam's apple customization is cosmetic, 30 different mounts are cosmetic (they all serve the exact same purpose)  skyhold furniture and drapery customization is cosmetic and all of those things are pointless and wouldn't be missed if they'f never been included. (they also had outfit packs for ME2) Qunari getting the shaft when it comes to hair is definitely noticed, we have to stare at this character for 80+ hours after all. This thread hopes that we get better styles through a patch or DLC or that they at least learn from this for the next game and hire someone fashionable to pick the styles. What is your point with any of this? What's your purpose? Do you even have one? It seems like you're just here to argue about nothing. You keep changing your points and arguments. If your goal was just to get us to shut up because BioWare made bad hair on purpose and we should all be grateful or something, too bad. If this thread achieves nothing else, it's a contained space to vent to each other and have some catharsis because many of us are extremely disappointed by this. I care so strongly about this that if hair mods were possible, I would go out and buy a gaming PC just for DA:I.

[Mad Cassidy]

I am just going to say this I have been watching this topic since it was made since I love qunari and how they look right now. Going through majority of the pages up to now I have just seen the same people posting again and again. 

 

Now 8 might not be an accurate number but I suspect that this topic is mainly posted on by a "small" circle of people. 

 

 To be fair, this is the lull period between when we first saw the CC options and the release of the game. Most people came in to voice their opinions at the beginning, and once they said their piece, left. A much smaller portion of posters stayed on to discuss things further. That's not unusual, nor is it an indication that interest is low or dwindling. We'll all have a better indication of how people feel once the game is out. But for now, I'd simply refer you to the OP - there's a link to poll there with some 650 responses, most of them unfavourable.

[Sanguinerin]

this thread has 8 people posting over and over again

 

Even if that were so, 8 posters doesn't necessarily mean 8 people alone who want more Qunari hair options. I think I might've posted here somewhere, but if so it's been rare. I mostly just follow along. If actually making a post is apparently what counts, then here you go.

 

I, too, would like to see more Qunari hair options.

[CENIC]

Now 8 might not be an accurate number but I suspect that this topic is mainly has reached this far is because a "small" circle of people are posting repeatedly.

So... what? A "small" (your opinion, btw) group of people are not allowed to passionately rally around an issue that is important to them in a forum section created for that express purpose?

[The Antagonist]

*facepalm*

I hope you're in every thread about crap you don't care about complaining then. You know for consistency's sake. Since there's always going to be content in a game you don't personally care about. That doesn't mean the devs wasted said resources because you don't use it. You're not the only one purchasing the game.

Personally I think it's a lot of wasted time and energy on something you claim not to care about but eh it's your time.

personally I think it's a lot of wasted time and energy on hair in a video game but eh it's your time.

[The Antagonist]

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