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[Panda]

So you are saying you would want to see them sacrifice other things they have planned just for the sake of hair?

 

Certainly. If I can't play the game cause my character looks horrible how the other content in the game matters? Everything starts from CC so it's important. Luckily there is other races but qunari was going to be my first pick.

 

I wonder why you care about people commenting on the issue. Why can't we give feedback on feedback section? This isn't praise Bioware section , feedback is sometimes negative and it helps BW to improve.

 

"Hair is hard to do" is not explanation that holds any weight. They have done it for other races. Thousands of games have hair that look good or good enough. I don't think we need to sympathize with them how hard making something is when they have already done it for other races.

[Ceoldoren]

Certainly. If I can't play the game cause my character looks horrible how the other content in the game matters? Everything starts from CC so it's important. Luckily there is other races but qunari was going to be my first pick.

 

I wonder why you care about people commenting on the issue. Why can't we give feedback on feedback section? This isn't praise Bioware section , feedback is sometimes negative and it helps BW to improve.

 

"Hair is hard to do" is not explanation that holds any weight. They have done it for other races. Thousands of games have hair that look good or good enough. I don't think we need to sympathize with them how hard making something is when they have already done it for other races.

While I agree that there should be better hair options, I don't think they should work on them if it will hurt other aspects of the game. I'm sorry, but I'd rather they worked more on the game itself than hairstyles.

[Panda]

While I agree that there should be better hair options, I don't think they should work on them if it will hurt other aspects of the game. I'm sorry, but I'd rather they worked more on the game itself than hairstyles.

 

Some people feel that and it's fair to me. People hold different aspect in the games important. To me making characters that look good is very important and big part of enjoyment of the whole game for me so it takes priority for me at the moment. That's why I'd buy hair option DLC over story everyday at the moment since I don't think I can be happy with character (qunari) I can create with CC.

[Ceoldoren]

Some people feel that and it's fair to me. People hold different aspect in the games important. To me making characters that look good is very important and big part of enjoyment of the whole game for me so it takes priority for me at the moment. That's why I'd buy hair option DLC over story everyday at the moment since I don't think I can be happy with character (qunari) I can create with CC.

Of course, if you think hairstyles are the most important issue for you then by all means continue to do what you're doing. I don't disapprove in the slightest. I was just putting in my 2 cents

[Roofie]

It's not like they're a small indie company. They can work on both story expansions and aesthetic ones. They've done it before... I don't disagree that one should not be sacrificed for the other, but bioware have the resources. They even have people willing to pay for them to do both. I do think a mass alienation from a race by fans because they failed with an incredibly important part of CC, is a priority problem. Not an either or one. A fix it and get back to business one.

[Mad Cassidy]

Um No offense...but this post makes me sad. Doesn't anybody care about the actual story and lore?

 

There is more to this game than hair.    

 

Would you honestly want them to sacrifice something storywise just for the sake of hair?  Its reeks of entitlement. 

 

 

I don't think very many people, or anyone, really, would say they would want less in terms of story or gameplay in favour of hair options. That's a ridiculous leap. Certainly people are interested in the story, but the story isn't what's broken, as far as we know. Qunari hair is an issue that we know about - we've seen the hair and a great deal of people are disappointed. Nobody's talking about the story  because A ) we know next to nothing about it, and B ) this is a qunari hair thread, not a story thread. Taking issue with the selection and quality of CC options that help define your character is not 'entitlement' in a game that boasts about its CC. Sure, you may not care about hair, either generally or because you don't intend to play qunari specifically - that's fine, but don't knock those who do.

 

Besides, there are many places other than narrative and gameplay from which resources could have been siphoned. How many mounts, beds, and drapes do we have that required modeling and texturing? I'd prioritize good PC hair over the option to distinguish between 10 drape styles in my keep. I don't have to look at drapes for 80+ hours.

[xyzmkrysvr]

If BioWare are not answering, then 

there are two explanations: 

• they are unable to respond;
• they are unwilling to respond.

Surely they don't want to get into an argument at this critical time,

and hair is sufficiently complex with knock-on animation issues that they would hardly commit to something they don't know they can deliver even if they want to.

 

Under what circumstances would Bioware be "unable" to respond?? Is there a gag order on them? (I'm not being facetious, I'm legitimately curious.

 

If they're "unwilling" to respond because they don't feel as though our concerns are valid or worth addressing, then that kind of makes them look like jerks... I always thought Bioware was better than that. But, the fact that they are clearly just ignoring us now kind of makes it look like they don't care. 

 

It's not like they're a small indie company. They can work on both story expansions and aesthetic ones. They've done it before... I don't disagree that one should not be sacrificed for the other, but bioware have the resources. 

 

Yeah, anyone who thinks they couldn't have ONE technical artist put in a little extra work on qunari hairstyles is kidding themselves. If they really wanted to do it, they probably could have had it done by now. Granted, I'm not a video game developer, so maybe it actually does takes WEEKS just to add one more hairstyle or polish the existing ones... that's why it would be nice if we could hear from the dev team *hint hint* 

 

Besides, there are many places other than narrative and gameplay from which resources could have been siphoned. How many mounts, beds, and drapes do we have that required modeling and texturing? I'd prioritize good PC hair over the option to distinguish between 10 drape styles in my keep. I don't have to look at drapes for 80+ hours.

 

Yeah, when I read that there were going to be THIRTY mounts, I was shocked. I was expecting like 5-6. Unless there are just 15 different colors of the horse we've seen in the demos, then that means they put a LOT of work into the mounts... clearly they should have diverted some of that time/money to qunari hairstyles because having only THREE hairstyles for an entire race is pathetic. 

[SofaJockey]

I'm not sure if I agree with the size of the issue.

 

But I respect and understand peoples' concerns,

so good luck with raising the profile of the matter - I hope it works out.

 

EDIT:

 

EA marketing may indeed issue edicts over not getting into fan issues within a certain period of launch.

The devs have in the past spoken of 'getting permission' to say things...

[Eri]

Um No offense...but this post makes me sad. Doesn't anybody care about the actual story and lore?

 

There is more to this game than hair.    

 

Would you honestly want them to sacrifice something storywise just for the sake of hair?  Its reeks of entitlement. 

 

And yes I do understand it sucks but you can't get everything  you want in this world.  The fact remains this forum counts for a small percentage of gamers.  

 

Making demands is not going to get what you want.   And game design is not as easy as you think.

 

Another thing some of you don't seem to realize  is that these games are cross-platform.

 

While PS4 and Xbone can handle certain things, PS3 and XBox360 cannot.

 

They have to make the game with EVERY console in mind.   

 

And finally what a concept artist makes and what is actually doable in game are often quite different. 

 

The game is close to release. All you can hope for is a DLC and hopefully it won't compromise anything else they have planned.

I love how people start posts with 'no offense' as if it then gives them leeway to offend all they want and be excused because they began with those words.

 

Anyway, adding to what has already been said in reply to your post, would you feel the same about such things if it were the race that you intended to play -- or all races -- that had these problems? Don't claim the moral high ground if it's only because the problem doesn't effect you personally, or because you're worried it will encroach on something you want.

 

Furthermore, having opinions and giving feedback is not a bad thing, we are not putting a gun to Bioware's head and saying they must do this -- someone is likely to make a mod with hair even if they don't -- but we have the right to mention where content is clearly lacking in the the hope that perhaps in future (after the release), something may be done about it. Pointing out the obvious and asking does not equate to demanding.

 

Lastly, in DA2 they had long hair on the Arishok and the Tal Vashoth, and considering the long hair previews we saw for humans and elves in the cc trailer, I fail to see how something similar to that couldn't have been made (or edited/converted) and implemented with a bit of editing around the horns (or for one example, had it long down the middle and shaved, not bald, at the sides). it's not like the DA2 qunari styles where that complex or fancy in comparison to what some of the others races got in this game, either.

[Lady Luminous]

Um No offense...but this post makes me sad. Doesn't anybody care about the actual story and lore?

 

There is more to this game than hair.    

 

Would you honestly want them to sacrifice something storywise just for the sake of hair?  Its reeks of entitlement. 

 

And yes I do understand it sucks but you can't get everything  you want in this world.  The fact remains this forum counts for a small percentage of gamers.  

 

Making demands is not going to get what you want.   And game design is not as easy as you think.

 

Another thing some of you don't seem to realize  is that these games are cross-platform.

 

While PS4 and Xbone can handle certain things, PS3 and XBox360 cannot.

 

They have to make the game with EVERY console in mind.   

 

And finally what a concept artist makes and what is actually doable in game are often quite different. 

 

The game is close to release. All you can hope for is a DLC and hopefully it won't compromise anything else they have planned.

 

Most of us understand that, but one of the major issues is that the quality is nowhere near close to what the 3 other races got. 

 

If the styles were as quality compared to the other 3 races there would be so many fewer complaints. 

[xyzmkrysvr]

Lastly, in DA2 they had long hair on the Arishok and the Tal Vashoth, and considering the long hair previews we saw for humans and elves in the cc trailer, I fail to see how something similar to that couldn't have been made (or edited/converted) and implemented with a bit of editing around the horns (or for one example, had it long down the middle and shaved, not bald, at the sides). it's not like the DA2 qunari styles where that complex or fancy in comparison to what some of the others races got in this game, either.

 

Look Bioware, we're not unreasonable people: if you just come out and say "sorry guys, designing hairstyles around horns was too hard and we didn't have the time/money to do it before launch..." that would pacify most of us! 

 

Having said that, the hornless qunari should ABSOLUTELY be able to use ANY of the hairstyles the other races have access too. There is NO excuse for this not to be the case. I think this thread would die overnight if Bioware announced that there would be a true hornless option (as in, having a SMOOTH bald head without necrotic craters) *and* gave us even a couple of the other race's hair options to use on a hornless Qunari. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Um No offense...but this post makes me sad. Doesn't anybody care about the actual story and lore?

 

What does this have to do with the story and the lore? 

There is more to this game than hair.    

 

There's more to a game than characters but I still like having characters in my games...

Would you honestly want them to sacrifice something storywise just for the sake of hair?  Its reeks of entitlement. 

 

Straw man! I fail to see how complaining about something you don't like in a game is entitlement. We are all still going to buy and enjoy the game, many in this thread have even said that they would pay for extra options. That's not entitlement, that's having and expressing an opinion. 

And yes I do understand it sucks but you can't get everything  you want in this world.  The fact remains this forum counts for a small percentage of gamers.  

 

But you are more likely to get what you want if you ask for it. What does percentages of gamers have to do with anything? Only a small percentage of gamers will ever buy this game. Did you mean that the fans are a small percentage of Bioware customers? 

Making demands is not going to get what you want.   And game design is not as easy as you think.

 

Who is making demands? Why do you think that we thing games design is easy? These are straw man arguments, why are you being so disingenuous? 

Another thing some of you don't seem to realize  is that these games are cross-platform.

 

While PS4 and Xbone can handle certain things, PS3 and XBox360 cannot.

 

They have to make the game with EVERY console in mind.   

 

Do you really think that there are people in here that do not realise this game is cross-platform? 

So PS3 and 360 can't handle longer/better hairstyles than the ones the qunari have? That seems pretty unlikely to me, especially considering the other races have more varied, longer hairstyles with better textures. 

And finally what a concept artist makes and what is actually doable in game are often quite different. 

 

The only decent point you have made so far and it has already been made many times by other people. 

The game is close to release. All you can hope for is a DLC and hopefully it won't compromise anything else they have planned.

 

Hope is not a bad thing even if it's for something that is unlikely. 

[CENIC]

The fact that people are coming to this thread to complain about how visible this campaign is just means it's working!

[Ceoldoren]

I tweeted, more than happy to help with the campaign, even though the hairs don't really bother me. A lot of you are really hurt by the weak hair selection. I see no reason not to help you guys out.I recommend everyone else do the same.

[SofaJockey]

An official view I think...

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider

If only modeling hair was as easy as drawing it on top of screenshots.

 

 

User ‏ 1 minute ago

@davidgaider new fem qunari hair??

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider  38 seconds ago

@User Umm...no.

 

But good luck suggesting it in the future...

[Andir]

i sympathize with the want for more hair. (my first qunari I had planned with da2 like hair. alas it will not be) but I don't think tweeting at the devs/bioware will do much other than annoy them. i am sure by now they are very well aware of the request for better hair, and i don't think tweeting at them will accomplish anything but, well, annoying them. again, i hope for better hairs too but nothing will happen from now and release. them's the brakes. (and i am aware we're more hoping for dlc. but they aren't working on dlc now or any time soon, so i dunno what we're hoping  accomplish right now.) ^^" just my 2 cents.

[AresKeith]

I tweeted, more than happy to help with the campaign, even though the hairs don't really bother me. A lot of you are really hurt by the weak hair selection. I see no reason not to help you guys out.I recommend everyone else do the same.

I'm pretty certain Bioware is fully aware of the situation, if anything it might start to annoy them

[CoffeeElemental]

I'm not sure if I agree with the size of the issue.

Hair for qunari is more important than for other races, because they cannot wear helmets. So you will be staring at their head the entire game.

[Lady_Intimidator]

I was only gonna make the one tweet that I did. just to add my voice. 

[CoffeeElemental]

I'm pretty certain Bioware is fully aware of the situation, if anything it might start to annoy them

How they feel is irrelevant. Its not our job to make them feel good, but other way around.

[Eri]

How they feel is irrelevant. Its not our job to make them feel good, but other way around.

I'm one of the ones advocating for more hairs, but this attitude is a bad one and goes against what we are trying to achieve. Most players cannot imagine how much work making such things is unless they've modded before, and Bioware do deserve a certain respect from us, especially if we're asking them for something that they don't have to make - as the saying goes: 'you catch more flies with honey then with vinegar'. Please remember that.

[Roofie]

Yes. Let's keep this thread respectful of everyone. We've been let down. That doesn't mean anyone should be made to feel like a bad person or a failure. It means we encourage improvement, and offer incentive for more.

 

Edit: Though I am glaring at Gaider right now ¬.¬