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[AresKeith]

Are we even sure the male qunari hair texture are actually better and not the hair in general has been cleaned up since , it's like one person said very earlier in the thread. The demo could've been an older build, while the male qunari pic we saw was more recent

[Ceoldoren]

Are we even sure the male qunari hair texture are actually better and not the hair in general has been cleaned up since , it's like one person said very earlier in the thread. The demo could've been an older build, while the male qunari pic we saw was more recent

I don't think they mean the quality is better, I think they mean that the hairstyles look better with the male Qunari horns. Well, at least I think that's what they meant.

[Roofie]

I don't think they mean the quality is better, I think they mean that the hairstyles look better with the male Qunari horns. Well, at least I think that's what they meant.

 

 I concur.

[Panda]

I don't think they mean the quality is better, I think they mean that the hairstyles look better with the male Qunari horns. Well, at least I think that's what they meant.

 

Or the lack of hair is less visible cause male qunaris have thicker horns and less space for the hair.

[Wintersbreath]

So, just a quick sketch: I'd like something like this. Just because you're qunari doesn't mean you can't be stylish!

[TheDragonOfWhy]

So, just a quick sketch: I'd like something like this. Just because you're qunari doesn't mean you can't be stylish!
{snip}

Well apparently Bioware would disagree. No Stylish Qunari for you, or me or anybody.
I jest. Because really, how can I stay mad at Bioware when they've held up their hands and said "we'll look into it, no promises".
Damn you Bioware, why won't you let me stay mad at you!

[TheDragonOfWhy]

So much sarcasm!
 
But let's keep this thread as respectful as possible.

It's not sarcasm tbh. I really can't hate/be mad at anyone who's noticed a mistake and said they'll look into fixing it, even if that results in a fix or not. The willingness to attemp is enough to placate me. Now to me, the Hair issues is much the same as face codes. it's something I would really really like, and hope is implemented in a forthcoming patch. But if Bioware does not do this, they at least gave it some thought. And that's honestly better than I had hoped for.

[katerinafm]

Haven't read all the posts in this thread, but it looks like many had the same idea that I had (?):

 

A Vanity DLC. Maybe a nice bonus to a mirror of transformation DLC. Completely optional, and only gives new hair options etc for those that want it. Same as the ME3 armor DLCs.

[CENIC]

Haven't read all the posts in this thread, but it looks like many had the same idea that I had (?):

 

A Vanity DLC. Maybe a nice bonus to a mirror of transformation DLC. Completely optional, and only gives new hair options etc for those that want it. Same as the ME3 armor DLCs.

 

I really, REALLY want to steal the Mirror of Transformation and put it in Skyhold somewhere

[Gill Kaiser]

I realise that in the grand scheme of things this is hardly the most important issue, at least in the runup to the game being finalised and shipped, but I do think that Bioware should take it somewhat seriously considering the purported difficulty with Frostbite modding.

 

I'm still going to attempt to make it work with a female qunari, but I'm not confident that I'll be able to make a character I am happy with, which bums me out a lot. Character creation for me is one of the most important parts of any RPG, and if I'm unhappy with my character I'm far more likely to lose interest against my will. A character I enjoy can carry me through an entire game.

[Roofie]

Just going to leave this here:

 

"Valuing aesthetics and hairstyles is inferior." 

 

"Valuing combat and having a character's looks being function-only is superior."

 

 

This is the general reaction I'm getting from those debating the hair issue (with me). I could go into more detail, including my speculation on why this is, but it would lead to a bigger, more derailing, argument. 

 

This is a little lacking in context for me.

 

In response though, it seems like you're arguing with people who believe any opinion that does not match their own is invalid.

I agree functional hair is important, we aren't asking for non-functional hair. We're asking for a match with the hairs of the other races.  Shoulder length and Dragon Age styled. This isn't about getting bouffants and beehives. Most of Eli's concepts for Qunari hair are exactly as functional and in-keeping with the new and old DA games alike - there are only a few that are clearly just for pretties.

[JudgeOverdose]

I guess, for me, I'm trying not to go into this with any preconceptions. I do not love the qunari hairstyles I have seen, but honestly, I prefer to play in a zoomed-out mode on PC, and I have never spent much time concerning myself with hairdos.

 

I think it's perfectly fine to be upset about the current hairstyles, and I am curious to see some different options. It only breeds negativity to tell people they are foolish to request new hair options; this forum has more than enough negativity as it is. If new hairstyles are explored later, great, and if they aren't, who does this thread hurt? No one is obligated to read it.

 

This is not a make-or-break issue for me, but it is obviously one that many people feel passionate about. This has a leg up on previous BioWare controversies, though -- we know what's going on pre-launch, and the devs have been honest about the situation, rather than making wildly false claims about the hairstyles.

 

I guess we'll see what happens in the future.

[SofaJockey]

If you're not comfortable with keeping the pressure on the devs, you don't have to participate. But as others here have noted, acknowledgement is wonderful... but it doesn't solve the problem.

Easing up for now is fine, but going silent is giving up. I, personally, will be poking around for an update on the situation a month or so after the game is out - provided one hasn't been given yet.

 

Agree a month post-launch is reasonable.

I'd hate to see continual poking with a stick behaviour when the request has been acknowledged.

Doesn't mean it can't be discussed here of course.

[Kimberly]

First time posting in this thread and haven't read through it. The qunari are unique looking. Why is hair an issue? They get horns, which is freakin awesome. There isn't any reason we can't make an attractive looking character with the options given. BW decided this is the way they want the Qunari to look. Why should Qunari hair have to match with the other races? I like that they are different and it's good that all the races aren't the same. We should embrace the uniqueness that is the Qunari.

[Gill Kaiser]

First time posting in this thread and haven't read through it. The qunari are unique looking. Why is hair an issue? They get horns, which is freakin awesome. There isn't any reason we can't make an attractive looking character with the options given. BW decided this is the way they want the Qunari to look. Why should Qunari hair have to match with the other races? I like that they are different and it's good that all the races aren't the same. We should embrace the uniqueness that is the Qunari.

 

How about the fact that aside from Iron Bull, every other qunari ever shown, male or female, in games, comics and other media has had at least medium length hair?

[Panda]

First time posting in this thread and haven't read through it. The qunari are unique looking. Why is hair an issue? They get horns, which is freakin awesome. There isn't any reason we can't make an attractive looking character with the options given. BW decided this is the way they want the Qunari to look. Why should Qunari hair have to match with the other races? I like that they are different and it's good that all the races aren't the same. We should embrace the uniqueness that is the Qunari.

 

All concept art of qunari has hair and all the previous content games + comics yms. Also even the race pick scene of qunari has tarot card of qunari having extremely long hair. So this is not BW's choice to reinvent qunari race.

 

If you looked the stills that are in OP and compare them to what human hair options have been shown they lack in variety and quality. I'm not confident at all that I'd be able to do attractive qunari without decent hair.

[Roofie]

First time posting in this thread and haven't read through it. The qunari are unique looking. Why is hair an issue? They get horns, which is freakin awesome. There isn't any reason we can't make an attractive looking character with the options given. BW decided this is the way they want the Qunari to look. Why should Qunari hair have to match with the other races? I like that they are different and it's good that all the races aren't the same. We should embrace the uniqueness that is the Qunari.

 

To add on to the other peoples pretty spot-on responses of canon appearance, IN GAME in DA:O and DA2 the Qunari were depicted with full head braids, and shoulder length locks. The Arishok himself had hair that flowed down his back. In the comics, male and female Qunari alike are shown with long hair. Sten even has hair of length to rival Arishok. These 4 short, 'masculine' haircuts we have been given are not how BW thinks the race should look. Even their canon MALES have more hair.

 

But even then it's not about canon depictions of Qunari! It's about quality, and variety. Though the horns are beautiful - they don't make up for the heavy disparity between the elf/human/dwarf options of 20+ hair choices. There is limited freedom in who you can create with such short and harsh hair.

 

If you feel you can make a character you are happy with, with such limited hair, I am exceptionally thrilled for you! Don't get me wrong. Many of us here just don't share the sentiment.

[Silent Rogue]

Just out of curiosity, have any of the devs actually explained why hair and horns are combined in one slider? Anybody have any ideas?

[Roofie]

Just out of curiosity, have any of the devs actually explained why hair and horns are combined in one slider? Anybody have any ideas?

 

No explanation from the devs. We've only had Cam tell us they may look into the issue after release. I can't recall how far back in the thread, there was some speculation that it may have something to do with clipping? Tying the hair to specific horns means less issues?

I don't think it's a very compelling argument, but it's a possibility.

[SofaJockey]

I just have a hunch that it was rushed and anchoring the hair and horns onto the same slider saved the devs on time before crunch.

 

I'm not convinced by that.

 

If all races have the same number of sliders for those features, I think it's just for simplicity of coding.

And the Qunari are a fairly spartan lot, so the emphasis was on the horns not the hair,

i.e. I don't think hair was cut (ha) I think those were the choices felt to be fitting to Qunari.

 

I don't think it was rushed particularly, though these things are always about priorities and it's a big game.

 

Freckles were not included, then they were,

As that issue came up a way back there was time to get freckles in.

 

Community enthusiasm is hard to predict.

 

We could be having a big storm about lack of hair tints

or body sliders

or armour dyes

 

As it happens, it's Qunari hair.

[Eri]

I don't know why. Some suggest clipping but the styles are all of the exact same depth and length. So I don't see a clipping issue with any hair/horn combo. But I'm not a designer so maybe my peasant understanding is missing something.

I just have a hunch that it was rushed and anchoring the hair and horns onto the same slider saved the devs on time before crunch.

Maybe the clipping was in reference to the movement of the hair when animated? as in, it would clip through the horns when it moves in relation to environmental factors/position of the head. A valid reason, but still with options to work around that would allow long hair (long down the middle, shaved at the sides, etc).

[Roofie]

Maybe the clipping was in reference to the movement of the hair when animated? as in, it would clip through the horns when it moves in relation to environmental factors/position of the head. A valid reason, but still with options to work around that still allow long hair (long down the middle, shaved at the sides, etc).

 

A valid excuse I suppose, if any of the given hairs were actually long enough to interact in any way with the horns.