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[Majestic Jazz]

Knowing that the CC shares many options between male and female such as hair styles, the addition of makeup for men, and adjustable Adam's Apple sliders, could this be the first game that actually appeals to a transgender player? Or simply a non transgender player who may want to play as a transgender character?

 

Think of it this way:

 

I play as a human female. However, I create my character in a way to make her look more like a man. I give her a hardened look, adam's apple, and make her romance Iron Bull.

 

Or

 

I create a human male but give him extreme feminine/soft facial features. Add makeup such as blush, lipstick, and eyeliner/shadow, make the adam's apple less noticable, and give him a "Female" hairstyle. Now suddenly my player looks like a drag (not meaning it in an offensive way) inquisitor who romances Dorian.

 

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I hope I am not sounding offensive in any way because I am not trying to be. I am a heterosexual male, but I am just excited over the fact that homosexual/transgender players can finally be able to create a player that fully express who they are in real life. Something like this was impossible with Mass Effect. Hell, I even plan on having my Human Warrior appear to have "metrosexual" or feminine features such as black eyeliner and perhaps a slight blush just to give him that "Soft" look similar to King Xerxes in 300, see:

 

And this is coming from a male who is straight. 

 

 

 

 

 

So again, not trying to be offensive, but just celebrating the idea that a certain player base now has the freedom to explore options that no other videogame really does in a serious manner. It is interesting to see how the fanbase plays with the CC to create some transgender looking characters. 

[JasonPogo]

I say yes.  I was going to head cannon one of my female Inquisitors as a transgender anyway.  So now I can give her and Adams apple to help sell this.  I am over the moon.

[raging_monkey]

I like the fact of your desire for fair and equal representation BW is one of fave companies because of this.

[makojoyriding]

If anything, the increase in character creation diversity will provide an opportunity for people to step outside their comfort zone. Even a small step can be a large one.

[raging_monkey]

Positivity makes the world better

[Monster A-Go Go]

I can't say they'd be the first, because Saints Row has long since given you almost full freedom in that regard.  But its nice to see more games not forcing stark definitions of masculinity, femininity, or gender.

[Puppy Love]

Honestly as a transgender female I'm happy just playing a female.  Adams apples, a males body, these are things that are the nightmare of my life trying to live and pass as a female.  These are things I wish I had the money to get rid of/hide better.  The last thing I desire is to play through my nightmare in a game.  I'd rather play as and be the woman I am, without all those those things that make my life a living hell and destroy my self image and sense of self.

[mikeymoonshine]

It's nice to see them follow in the footsteps of Saints Row and Dragons Dogma in this sense. Even if you aren't planning on making a trans character there is no reason why you should be restricted from certain hairstyles and makeup. I am male but I have long hair and I used to wear makeup sometimes when I was a teenager (got mistaken for a girl a lot). 

 

I'm thinking about making one of my planned characters trans now. Maybe I will make a Maevaris type character. 

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Well, facially it would certainly work. But the voice and body, not so much.

You could create some very convincing androgynous/gender bending characters, though. I know I will definitely give my female Inquisitor more androgynous facial features, like Marlene Dietrich and Greta Garbo, since I identify with the female characters more. However, my male inquisitor will be a man's man, because that's what I am attracted to.

[mikeymoonshine]

Honestly as a transgender female I'm happy just playing a female.  Adams apples, a males body, these are things that are the nightmare of my life trying to live and pass as a female.  These are things I wish I had the money to get rid of/hide better.  The last thing I desire is to play through my nightmare in a game.  I'd rather play as and be the woman I am, without all those those things that make my life a living hell and destroy my self image and sense of self.

 

Yeah, I get that. There are lots of different kinds of trans people though (if that's the right way of saying it) some don't identify as male or female, some are somewhere in the middle or they just feel more comfortable with a more androgynous appearance.  Plus there are transvestites, we shouldn't forget about them. 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

All people have Adam's apples. They aren't remotely unique to men.

They are usually less visible in women, yes, but having a prominent Adam's apple and being female doesn't make you transgendered and so wouldn't be something one would need/should want in order to create a transgendered PC.

[Puppy Love]

All people have Adam's apples. They aren't remotely unique to men.

yes but women's are so much less pronounced as to be barely noticeable if ever noticeable at all.  Is why there's a surgery to shave the male adam's apple to reduce how pronounced they are, as a large adam's apple is a dead give away.

[JasonPogo]

Why do you think it's called ADAMS apple? 

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

yes but women's are so much less pronounced as to be barely noticeable if ever noticeable at all. Is why there's a surgery to shave the male adam's apple to reduce how pronounced they are, as a large adam's apple is a dead give away.

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I actually find they are noticeable on many women.

And again, that is true that surgery exists for that, but having a large Adam's apple and being female doesn't mean you aren't cisgendered, and the presence of surgeries like that will only heighten insecurities people have.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Why do you think it's called ADAMS apple?

Because of the fact that it's more prominent in men. But all women have one, look it up.

[raging_monkey]

All i can say is love yourself and dont let nobody **** on your groove. The world starting to get a little bit brighter

[Majestic Jazz]

Well, facially it would certainly work. But the voice and body, not so much.

You could create some very convincing androgynous/gender bending characters, though. I know I will definitely give my female Inquisitor more androgynous facial features, like Marlene Dietrich and Greta Garbo, since I identify with the female characters more. However, my male inquisitor will be a man's man, because that's what I am attracted to.

 

What is a "man's man" exactly? Not to derail my own thread, but this has always puzzled me. Pardon the intrusion, but whenever I hear a female say that they are attracted to "manly men" or a "man's man", I find that notion to be extremely superficial. If a man does not have a chizzled body, strong facial features and a deep voice, but is intelligent, respectful to women, and family oriented. Does that make him "less" of a man and not a "man's" man?

[JasonPogo]

Because of the fact that it's more prominent in men. But all women have one, look it up.

 

yeah you just answered my question perfectly so kudos.

[veeia]

I think its cool that they're loosening some of the binary restrictions. Will definitely make it easier for people to create more diverse and divergent characters.

I hope they have better in game representation of trans/non binary folk this time though, instead of just that....just like I hope there are lesbian/gay characters there too. (I know Celene is one, but it'd be cool to have just random NPCs,.normalizes it a bit more)

[VelvetStraitjacket]

What is a "man's man" exactly? Not to derail my own thread, but this has always puzzled me. Pardon the intrusion, but whenever I hear a female say that they are attracted to "manly men" or a "man's man", I find that notion to be extremely superficial. If a man does not have a chizzled body, strong facial features and a deep voice, but is intelligent, respectful to women, and family oriented. Does that make him "less" of a man and not a "man's" man?

 

Well, personally, when I say "man's man" (a phrase I don't often use, mind you) I am referring to the appearance. And yes, I was speaking about a man with strong facial features, a deep voice and all that other stuff. I do see why it's a stupid term, especially since I don't believe in gender norms and how a person of either gender "should" look. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, actually lol.

And no, all those physical qualities do not make a man a man. I believe it all comes down to what a person identifies as. **** definitions and labels and terms.

[daveliam]

I have a very different definition of a "man's man".  And it's not exactly what most straight men and women think of when they use the term......

[VelvetStraitjacket]

I have a very different definition of a "man's man".  And it's not exactly what most straight men and women think of when they use the term......

 

I get you bae.

 

 

EDIT: And for the record, I'm not a straight female.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Majestic Jazz:  It's not actually an offensive term no matter how many people get defensive about it.

 

The type of guy who doesn't mind getting dirty, changing tires, lifting heavy objects, isn't intimidated by power tools, doesn't have soft delicate office hands... yeah, that's the traditional "man's man".

And there's nothing wrong with those men - and sometimes, I feel like people demonize that type of man because they're insecure that they can't or won't do those things.

 

I don't know you - so I'm not saying that's "you" - I'm just speaking from personal life experience.

 

As a gay man, I've seen plenty of men - both gay and straight - I would not classify as a "man's man".  That doesn't mean they're not men... it simply means that they've likely eschewed anything rugged or unpleasant for finery and luxury.  Yeah, sure - some people look down on that - that's their problem...

 

But let's not pretend that every man is the same man - cause it's simply not true.  There is no point in demonizing the male that follows traditionally masculine roles - it is the same type of prejudice and ignorance I face when people think I shouldn't do any number of things I'm more than happy to do as a gay man - like, say... rotate my own tires, change my own brakes, go deep sea fishing... whatever.

[devSin]

I'm suspicious of concern trolling here, but it seems an innocuous enough question regardless.

I think there's a difference in being able to mimic certain physical traits or characteristics and actually having representation in the game.

I hope it's beneficial for those players to whom it's important, but I think it's going to be limited by having no narrative consequence (as far as we know, there's not going to be a single instance in the game where you can even try to identify as transgender).

I think that should still be a goal, but I'm happy they've at least opened up the character creation options so that more people have more freedom to create the characters that appear as they desire.

[andar91]

I'm suspicious of concern trolling here, but it seems an innocuous enough question regardless.

I think there's a difference in being able to mimic certain physical traits or characteristics and actually having representation in the game.

I hope it's beneficial for those players to whom it's important, but I think it's going to be limited by having no narrative consequence (as far as we know, there's not going to be a single instance in the game where you can even try to identify as transgender).

I think that should still be a goal, but I'm happy they've at least opened up the character creation options so that more people have more freedom to create the characters that appear as they desire.

 

This.

 

To me, representation requires an actual tangible presence.

 

That said, more variable customization options COULD open a doorway to trans people or those who wish to roleplay trans characters. Or Gender Non-Conforming in general, really - as has been noted, many trans people would probably rather pass as their gender. Maybe not all - I don't claim to speak for trans folks. However, genderqueer characters or just feminine men or masculine women are more of a possibility, it seems.