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[drake heath]

I'll show them gratitude with my wallet when they make a good game.

 

Until then I don't care if they allow my dirty peasant self to spend money so I can see their universe, if it's crap I'll take my peasant money elsewhere.

 

BioWare ain't the second coming, I'm not going to fawn over them for making a fantasy CRPG; even if it's a good one, they make a good game (which is what DAI looks like it will be) they deserve my money, not my love.

[AshesEleven]

There have been some very respectful complaints about qunari hair options (that guy with the L avatar for one, he's awesome). That is a good thing. It's super cool to be disappointed in aspects of the game. I, personally, am disappointed with how qunari look. I am also not pleased that it seems like we start off right in the Fade.

You're right that these complaints are based off expectations. We can't help it, though. We are excited for the game and naturally everyone wants different things out of it. Most of us will be slightly disappointed when it doesn't turn out the way we want.

But then some people, who haven't learned that the world doesn't revolve around them, actually seem to get insulted. How could bioware forget to cater to them? If bioware isn't making the game they want, they obviously don't care about their fan base anymore!

They're not bad people, even if they are extremely rude. They just aren't mature enough to express their opinions in a respectful and constructive manner. Case in point, a lot of the controversy surrounding romances. People were mad that they weren't getting the same amount of options as straight females. Instead of looking at what they had and thinking "well this is cool! I get at least two options, like most everyone else!", they looked around and noticed they were getting less than others! And how dare things be slightly unequal in terms of numbers!

And yeah, developers are people who make mistakes and have their own ideas of what the game should be. They listen to suggestions and critique, but they can't do everything that people want. It should also be remembered that most developers are making games because they're passionate and love having people play through their creations. They have feelings, and they're trying their best to make you have a great experience. I think it's important to keep it in mind.

[Darth Death]

You're not going to accomplish anything meaningful with a post like this; venting or otherwise. What you need to do is make a decision, do I:

 

a) Leave the forums...

b ) Ignore meaningless hatred...

c) Adapt to all forms of communication, good & bad... 

 

 

Venting and then being coddled isn't going to change your situation. 

[Dutchess]

Ah yes, YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL.

 

[nightscrawl]

Being upset is one thing:
"This option isn't available to me, and that bums me out but I'll be fine."
But this is definitely something else:
"I'm disappointed that I'm not getting to do something specific that I want."

These two examples are quibbling over semantics. People can certainly feel disappointed that they won't get something they had hoped for. Now, whether that hope was reasonable or ever in the realm of possibility is another matter entirely and depends on the person and whatever their desire was.

I certainly do agree with your main point. Hurling insults at the devs when you didn't get your own way is terrible behavior. Anyone who has been on the BSN for any length of time will have seen the vicious, indefensible things that have been said in the past and they don't bear repeating here.

That said, saying that fans can't express their "disappointment;" calling that insulting, or equating that expression to some of the more vile remarks we've seen on these forums is absurd.

[Messi Kossmann]

I think that the bioware fan base is now marked as a overreact child since ME3. Criticism is a positive way for developers, and if i see threads like that in bethesda forum i will ready with more open mind. But, what i see in social bioware is overreact about EVERYTHING. I know, is not the majority, but one thing i know is that 3 unsatisfied people will do way more sound than 20 happy people.

 

Again, this is my opinion, and sorry if you disagree....

[Pirate of Ferelden]

In some ways, having the internet as a medium of gathering opinions might be a good thing for Bioware.  Despite some insults being thrown at them, they get input from different perspectives.  Look at all of the conventions/expos that Bioware devs have been attending lately.  Given the opportunity, many of the people that express criticism ("justified" or not) online would not have the assertiveness to actually engage in any kind of face-to-face debate with the devs.

 

Instead of just having praise heaped upon them, they get to see how people really feel.  For better or worse.

[Almostfaceman]

First, before the topic actually starts, I'm not 100% sure I'm posting this in the correct category.
Another thing, this is an opinion. I feel very strongly about it, but it's still only an opinion, nonetheless. I honestly just really needed to vent and didn't know exactly where to put it.


Now...
Everything that Bioware's doing for Dragon Age: Inquisition, they don't have to share with us. We bicker and cry and whine and scream about things not going our way; e.g.) the Kossith hair options, an unavailable LI, a restricted use of weaponry. There's obviously a difference between complaining, being someone who is constructively criticising, and someone who is reacting in an extremely insulting way.
I don't think we (the fan base) have any right to verbally abuse and insult devs.
Being upset is one thing:
"This option isn't available to me, and that bums me out but I'll be fine."
But this is definitely something else:
"I'm disappointed that I'm not getting to do something specific that I want."

The second one isn't even completely bad, but it's ridiculous when someone tells the devs that they're "disappointed" with what they've done or haven't done.

This is their world that they're allowing us to see it. They don't have to give us anything.

I'm so grateful that they're letting us run through it as a character.
But I can't stand how people treat them sometimes. It disgusts me.
This isn't just from the recent thing that occurred, it's accumulated over time.

I know it's not the majority saying things like this, but as I said I needed to vent.
If this ended up somehow offending someone, I'm sorry, that was not my intention.

 

This is the internet, folks feel safe behind their computers and can be supremely rude. Bioware is compromised of grown-ups who understand that fact and they seem to survive it and - judging by what I've seen so far with DA3 - make a better game based on the feedback. I'm not saying I condone rudeness, but it's a fact of life in customer service.

 

I don't understand the "it's their world, they don't have to allow us to see it, they don't have to give us anything" mentality. If they want anyone to buy their product, they have to market it, tell folks enough about it to sell. They don't have a world without customers. They're lucky to have me and everyone else here as customers. That doesn't mean we treat them poorly, but it's their job to sell me this world and keep me buying their products. 

 

I appreciate a good product and I'll reward it with customer loyalty and cold hard cash. But I'm not lucky to have them, they're lucky to have us. 

 

I respect your opinion though, I think it comes from a good place. We all should encourage one another to be polite.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

The sudden constant whining & hate about the qunari is kinda getting really annoying, people should be grateful BioWare took the time to include any racial options considering the inquisitor was originally human only instead of constantly criticising dev's saying it isn't good enough to their personal standards

[Nashimura]

Ah yes, YOU SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL.

 

 

 

Arishok is about to get his arm chewed off... Its gonna hurt...

[CoffeeElemental]

Not sure how much Bioware brand is worth now since EA is using it left and right. There was even a Command and Conquer sequel being made by "Bioware". In any case there are no perfect game developers and Bioware is no exception. With DA2, ME3 ending, SWTOR being their recent big blunders they need to work hard now to gain back the trust they have squandered.

[TheChris92]

First, before the topic actually starts, I'm not 100% sure I'm posting this in the correct category.
Another thing, this is an opinion. I feel very strongly about it, but it's still only an opinion, nonetheless. I honestly just really needed to vent and didn't know exactly where to put it.


Now...
Everything that Bioware's doing for Dragon Age: Inquisition, they don't have to share with us. We bicker and cry and whine and scream about things not going our way; e.g.) the Kossith hair options, an unavailable LI, a restricted use of weaponry. There's obviously a difference between complaining, being someone who is constructively criticising, and someone who is reacting in an extremely insulting way.
I don't think we (the fan base) have any right to verbally abuse and insult devs.
Being upset is one thing:
"This option isn't available to me, and that bums me out but I'll be fine."
But this is definitely something else:
"I'm disappointed that I'm not getting to do something specific that I want."

The second one isn't even completely bad, but it's ridiculous when someone tells the devs that they're "disappointed" with what they've done or haven't done.

This is their world that they're allowing us to see it. They don't have to give us anything.

I'm so grateful that they're letting us run through it as a character.
But I can't stand how people treat them sometimes. It disgusts me.
This isn't just from the recent thing that occurred, it's accumulated over time.

I know it's not the majority saying things like this, but as I said I needed to vent.
If this ended up somehow offending someone, I'm sorry, that was not my intention.

The developers aren't my friends, OP -- They are a service provider and I'm a potential customer, this is something I feel most gamers should keep in mind for any game developer. It's fine to be a fan of a guy's work, or their business practices, but they aren't your friends and they don't see to your every need. They take feedback to heart like any manufacturer of a product would but they also keep in mind first and foremost what it is they want to do with their work. I'm gonna call glasshouses on this thread, given that you complain about how people don't have the right to complain, which is as ridiculous as the people you choose to call out. Consider this -- It's alright to have some issues with stuff you like, we all have them, otherwise we wouldn't really be fans because then we wouldn't be invested enough to care about these issues. You get what I'm saying? It's really not any more complicated than that.

[In Exile]

Considering I've paid 85 bucks for this game I damn well will complain about anything I please. If you want me to stop by all means buy me the game and I will.

As long as I'm not insulting anyone I hardly see the problem.

How dare you tell me not to tell you what to do with your time and money?