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[lordsaren101]

Honestly wish they didnt add multi player. It takes away from the single player experience.

[raging_monkey]

Honestly wish they didnt add multi player. It takes away from the single player experience.

its done by a separate team so we didnt lose anything

[Tevinter Soldier]

Honestly wish they didnt add multi player. It takes away from the single player experience.

 

it does and it doesn't, they only add MP if it get's extra budget, without MP that money wouldn't be forth coming.

so while spells numbers are gimped because of it there's also likely many assets in the single player game that wouldn't have made it if not for the extra funds.

 

and like it or not EA shoe horns MP into everything and more so into the future now they've fund the gold mine of micro transactions (just look at SWTOR's profit's jump since they went FTP) everything will have MP and MT.

[lordsaren101]

I know. I guess im just waxing nostalgic.

[raging_monkey]

I know. I guess im just waxing nostalgic.

wax away we fellow mage players are gonna need it... **** is hitting the fan...HARD

[lordsaren101]

Seriously did everyone put on their chantry and templar tin foil hats?

[The Elder King]

Seriously did everyone put on their chantry and templar tin foil hats?

Why?

[KainD]

Seriously did everyone put on their chantry and templar tin foil hats?

 

If being a mage taught me anything - hats are bad.. 

[raging_monkey]

Seriously did everyone put on their chantry and templar tin foil hats?

normally its fine and Z's been pretty cool about imo but the past 3 weeks its like mage players are getting harrased left and right. Its like the dalish/elf fans and mage fan are on a systematic purge where we are to be forced into groups so we are not seen. Not to name anybody

Spoiler

TKS

but its becoming more toxic than normal and hard to enjoy things here

~ end rant

[EmperorSahlertz]

normally its fine and Z's been pretty cool about imo but the past 3 weeks its like mage players are getting harrased left and right. Its like the dalish/elf fans and mage fan are on a systematic purge where we are to be forced into groups so we are not seen. Not to name anybody

Spoiler

TKS

but its becoming more toxic than normal and hard to enjoy things here

~ end rant

It's just that one guy, you can always ignore him. But BSN thrives on the neverending hounding of groups. At times it is the mage fanboys who comes into every thread and start chestpounding, at other times it is the Templar fanboys or Dalish, or Orlais or whichever. The only fanboys that doesn't seem to seek conflict are the Dwarves'.

[RobRam10]

It's just that one guy, you can always ignore him. But BSN thrives on the neverending hounding of groups. At times it is the mage fanboys who comes into every thread and start chestpounding, at other times it is the Templar fanboys or Dalish, or Orlais or whichever. The only fanboys that doesn't seem to seek conflict are the Dwarves'.

Cause Dwarves are bros!

[Master Warder Z_]

Because Dwarves have nothing to prove. They're badasses by nature.

 

They look like mutant children but they are alright warriors i suppose.

[raging_monkey]

It's just that one guy, you can always ignore him. But BSN thrives on the neverending hounding of groups. At times it is the mage fanboys who comes into every thread and start chestpounding, at other times it is the Templar fanboys or Dalish, or Orlais or whichever. The only fanboys that doesn't seem to seek conflict are the Dwarves'.

i am aware of this and they are on the I-list but i speak only for the regs here and those fans who have no advocate

[Master Warder Z_]

You know what i don't like about the Imperium beyond all else?

 

They had the chance during the Qunari wars to actually take territory that would give them a major advantage in offensive or defensive war.

 

And they didn't; admittedly this was very late into the conflict and this was after the brutal Qunari invasion and occupation of Tevinter which likely hurt them fairly badly but still...Estwatch was retaken from the Qunari and the Antivans likely wouldn't have had the force to seriously defend it. The Island's central location is key for a sea borne invasion of a half dozen different nations; not to mention it was large enough in berth to accommodate the Qunari dreadnought forces.

 

Basically its a critically located sea borne fortress that basically exists solely for invading Thedas.

 

._.

 

Tevinter didn't take it.

[The Baconer]

You know what i don't like about the Imperium beyond all else?

 

They had the chance during the Qunari wars to actually take territory that would give them a major advantage in offensive or defensive war.

 

And they didn't; admittedly this was very late into the conflict and this was after the brutal Qunari invasion and occupation of Tevinter which likely hurt them fairly badly but still...Estwatch was retaken from the Qunari and the Antivans likely wouldn't have had the force to seriously defend it. The Island's central location is key for a sea borne invasion of a half dozen different nations; not to mention it was large enough in berth to accommodate the Qunari dreadnought forces.

 

Basically its a critically located sea borne fortress that basically exists solely for invading Thedas.

 

._.

 

Tevinter didn't take it.

 

Estwatch? Looking at the map, I can hardly see how the value of its location would exceed the headaches of maintaining a garrison there.

[raging_monkey]

You know what i don't like about the Imperium beyond all else?
 
They had the chance during the Qunari wars to actually take territory that would give them a major advantage in offensive or defensive war.
 
And they didn't; admittedly this was very late into the conflict and this was after the brutal Qunari invasion and occupation of Tevinter which likely hurt them fairly badly but still...Estwatch was retaken from the Qunari and the Antivans likely wouldn't have had the force to seriously defend it. The Island's central location is key for a sea borne invasion of a half dozen different nations; not to mention it was large enough in berth to accommodate the Qunari dreadnought forces.
 
Basically its a critically located sea borne fortress that basically exists solely for invading Thedas.
 
._.
 
Tevinter didn't take it.

i will never understand that tatic i agree bad planning on lore

[Master Warder Z_]

Estwatch? Looking at the map, I can hardly see how the value of its location would exceed the headaches of maintaining a garrison there.

 

It would have been a headache true but it would have been first strike capability over Antiva, Rivain and the Free Marches; and a logistical line further south.

 

Ultimately sea fortresses are about making them appeal too strong to assault directly; its about presentation of power as much as it ability to project it.

[The Baconer]

It would have been a headache true but it would have been first strike capability over Antiva, Rivain and the Free Marches; and a logistical line further south.

 

Ultimately sea fortresses are about making them appeal too strong to assault directly; its about presentation of power as much as it ability to project it.

 

It's too hard for Tevinter to supply and support in times of attack (not to mention how long it might take them to learn their holdings there are under attack) while being very easy to isolate for her enemies. Not to mention they would also be squaring off against the Qunari (since everything would have to go through the Northern Passage), Antiva, and the Felicisima Armada, which are all coincidentally considered the premier naval powers in Thedas.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's too hard for Tevinter to supply and support in times of attack (not to mention how long it might take them to learn their holdings there are under attack) while being very easy to isolate for her enemies. Not to mention they would also be squaring off against the Qunari (since everything would have to go through the Northern Passage), Antiva, and the Felicisima Armada, which are all coincidentally considered the premier naval powers in Thedas.

 

Magical communication would remedy that issue; Waystones and alike which exist in the south surely exist in the North, and if they aren't in every Tevinter fortress those people are absolute morons.

 

Anywho.

 

The Felicisima Armada is the premier naval force.

 

Which is exactly why you NEED first strike capability against Antiva.

 

In the event of hostility you would need the edge; On the defense you conversely have the ability to direct forces to intercept aggressors well before they actually manage to breach Northern waters; From Estwatch with the proper support network you can literally dominate the east. It does require accurate and up to date information however, that is the crux of the matter, it doesn't matter how powerful the projection force is, if it cannot be used properly.

 

The Qunari though? Unless if they were going to skirt the Tevinter Mainland and Rivain would not be much of an issue for the fortress it self; the trade waters are on the opposite side of Sehron and Par Vollen

 

Beyond that though? You don't need to do anything beyond ignoring the Qunari, their presence in this discussion is odd to my tastes just because while these are northern waters...they are on the opposite side of Sehron and Par Vollen as i said earlier. They would have to sail far and risk engagement well before they actually encountered any vessels steaming towards Estwatch.

 

So basically Estwatch when it comes down to it is critical for its theater position; but it does require resources and information to operate appropriately.

 

Perhaps its beyond Tevinter now; Perhaps it was beyond them at the time of the war, but i cannot help but see the potential of the island.

[The Baconer]

Magical communication would remedy that issue; Waystones and alike which exist in the south [...]

 

The what now? I have not heard of these.

 

 

The Felicisima Armada is the premier naval force.

 

Which is exactly why you NEED first strike capability against Antiva.

 

The Armada is not a distinctly Antivan force. I mean, they are as Rivaini as they are Antivan. Antiva itself has its own navy.

 

 

In the event of hostility you would need the edge; On the defense you conversely have the ability to direct forces to intercept aggressors well before they actually manage to breach Northern waters; From Estwatch with the proper support network you can literally dominate the east. It does require accurate and up to date information however, that is the crux of the matter, it doesn't matter how powerful the projection force is, if it cannot be used properly.

 

If one can establish this support network and maintain it. Tevinter is in no position to do this. Not only that, but the Thedosian nations that have primarily fought Tevinter in the past (Orlais, the Free Marches, etc.) do not encroach via the sea. The biggest threat in this regard would be the Qunari, and Estwatch is not in any ideal position to intercept their incursions.

 

 

The Qunari though? Unless if they were going to skirt the Tevinter Mainland and Rivain would not be much of an issue for the fortress it self; the trade waters are on the opposite side of Sehron and Par Vollen

 

Beyond that though? You don't need to do anything beyond ignoring the Qunari, their presence in this discussion is odd to my tastes just because while these are northern waters...they are on the opposite side of Sehron and Par Vollen as i said earlier. They would have to sail far and risk engagement well before they actually encountered any vessels steaming towards Estwatch.

 

Um, anything traveling between Tevinter and Estwatch by ship is forced to traverse the Northern Passage, squeezing between the Kont-aar and Par Vollen, not to mention whatever the Qunari may have stationed on Seheron. It'd be a shooting Gallery. Not really something you can ignore.

[DKJaigen]

Are you seriously suggesting to create a stronghold while its supply lines are go deep through enemy territory? also the nations that the tevinters can target are landlocked with tevinter and dont even need naval power to strike at them. i would say estwick maybe usefull for raiding and slaving operations but a military base it would be borderline suicidal.

[Master Warder Z_]

The what now? I have not heard of these.

 

 

Indeed they have been mentioned a few times; magical devices circles have within them to talk with each other without sending messengers, they all connect to Cumberland or did anyway.

 

I just refer to them as Waystones because i forgot the proper name.

The Armada is not a distinctly Antivan force. I mean, they are as Rivaini as they are Antivan. Antiva itself has its own navy.

 

I guess i mean it's based in that on island off of Rivain, but my point remains, if you gain first strike capability, you can glean where it will be, where it will be divided and prepare from there, any successful crippling blow must be planned after all.

 

If one can establish this support network and maintain it. Tevinter is in no position to do this

 

On this we will agree.

 

Um, anything traveling between Tevinter and Estwatch by ship is forced to traverse the Northern Passage, squeezing between the Kont-aar and Par Vollen, not to mention whatever the Qunari may have stationed on Seheron. It'd be a shooting Gallery. Not really something you can ignore.

 

The Ventosus straits by way of the northern passage yes; but conversely Seere a Rivaini city is also close; a potential berth, Even if they were enaged unless if the Qunari were to actually commit to the chase it would fall off before they actually got to Rivain, and assuming they did? There are two coastal cities the fleet can seek refugee within, would the Qunari tempt war with Rivain (Actual Andrastian Rivain, not their knock off followers lingering in a fort) over a fleet steaming past them?

[Master Warder Z_]

also the nations that the tevinters can target are landlocked with tevinter and dont even need naval power to strike at them

 

Did you just completely miss the point of about having first strike capability over Antiva and Rivain?

 

Do achieve this, you would need the capability to knock out their greatest asset in the first blow.

 

Their collection of Mercenary, Merchant and Pirate navies.

 

You cannot do that with a landborne invasion.

[The Baconer]

Indeed they have been mentioned a few times; magical devices circles have within them to talk with each other without sending messengers, they all connect to Cumberland or did anyway.

 

I just refer to them as Waystones because i forgot the proper name.

 

Where are these referenced?

 

 

I guess i mean it's based in that on island off of Rivain, but my point remains, if you gain first strike capability, you can glean where it will be, where it will be divided and prepare from there, any successful crippling blow must be planned after all.

 

To an extent perhaps? If this is hostile territory most of these boons are going to be mutual for both Tevinter and those trying to evict their force from Estwatch.

 

 

The Ventosus straits by way of the northern passage yes; but conversely Seere a Rivaini city is also close; a potential berth, Even if they were enaged unless if the Qunari were to actually commit to the chase it would fall off before they actually got to Rivain, and assuming they did? There are two coastal cities the fleet can seek refugee within, would the Qunari tempt war with Rivain (Actual Andrastian Rivain, not their knock off followers lingering in a fort) over a fleet steaming past them?

 

The Chantry's influence does not extend to Seere, of this I can assure you. This is assuming they would allow entire Tevinter fleets to take port anyway (or that it even has a large enough port), especially once Tevinter's intentions are known. In fact, I don't even doubt that the Qunari would fire upon them regardless. It's not like it would be more risky than what happened in Kirkwall.