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[raging_monkey]

Anders was naive though in the sense that he didn't take into account his own anger when allowing himself to be possessed. He wasn't strong enough to control and rein in Justice, like Wynne did with Faith.

like i said couldve been a good example but again he reveled in it (passive-aggro but reveled)

[raging_monkey]

I was busy wracking my brain and you were there full minutes earlier...How did that happen? It didn't feel like minutes. 

We are in the fade here, time flows frozen.

sodding time magic

[Hellion Rex]

The funny thing is, such spirit could never exist, because being satisfied in a timeless ever-changing place means that you are nothing, you do not interact with anything or anyone, you don't care you are just satisfied, no purpose no meaning - you just don't exist...

True. Such a spirit would be an aberration to the Fade. But couldn't you argue that a spirit of satisfaction would be ruled by its desire to be sated? Wait, never mind, that'd just be the definition of a hunger demon.

[KainD]

sodding time magic

 

Alexius is such a G dough! Freaking time magic! That branch requires more real proper research, it's grandiose! 

[raging_monkey]

Alexius is such a G dough! Freaking time magic! That branch requires more real proper research, it's grandiose!

i know right explains how i reload my saves lmao(couldnt resist )

But reals dorian broughtvthe theory but he actually made it practical.

[Hellion Rex]

So monkey, you get to choose a spirit/demon as your simbiote.. what do you go for? 

Oooo, I wanna play! What demon would be my symbiote...tough question. Do you think there's a spirit of passion? Endlessly searching and defining itself by those moments where one is swept away by the currents of emotion that engulf the senses.

 

I'm curious what you'd call it's perversion...I almost feel like it could become a facet of hunger.

[Hellion Rex]

Alexius is such a G dough! Freaking time magic! That branch requires more real proper research, it's grandiose! 

I agree. I found it interesting that Alexius could only pull it off due to the Breach, but the Still Ruins were able to experience a stasis effect for centuries, and that was without the Breach.

[raging_monkey]

Oooo, I wanna play! What demon would be my symbiote...tough question. Do you think there's a spirit of passion? Endlessly searching and defining itself by those moments where one is swept away by the currents of emotion that engulf the senses.
 
I'm curious what you'd call it's perversion...I almost feel like it could become a facet of hunger.

if its passion its on the desire spectrum.... hmmm this good i would guess a spirit of whim or something similar

[Hellion Rex]

if its passion its on the desire spectrum.... hmmm this good i would guess a spirit of whim or something similar

Hmmm, I could really see it lie on either spectrum. Though, I've always wondered if hunger was somehow connected to desire. Because isn't hunger in essence a desire to be filled?

[KainD]

True. Such a spirit would be an aberration to the Fade. But couldn't you argue that a spirit of satisfaction would be ruled by its desire to be sated? Wait, never mind, that'd just be the definition of a hunger demon.

 

Look what else is interesting, and why the hunger demon is so much more different from every other demon. Like I said before all demons look beyond the veil to mortals for answers, and into their dreams in the fade. And all the demons represent mortal emotions ALL of them:

 

Desire demon 
Despair demon 
Envy demon 
Fear demon 
Pride demon 
Rage demon 
Sloth demon 
Terror demon 

 

Same as their counterpart spirits, these are all human complex emotions! Now hunger, hunger is NOT an emotion, it's a gut feeling, something that happens without any cultural specifics, something that can't be mastered and controlled like other emotions. One that doesn't listen to hunger would die, because feasting is necessary in order to live, if you are not interested you are dead like the spirit of satisfaction. 

 

Hunger is a primal spirit, it doesn't find ways to live off of mortals, but feats on anything, anyone. And I think it is more aware and intelligent than other more limited entities of the fade. 

[KainD]

Hmmm, I could really see it lie on either spectrum. Though, I've always wondered if hunger was somehow connected to desire. Because isn't hunger in essence a desire to be filled?

 

Desire does what the mortals want to do, only without limits in a way. Hunger does what IT wants. 

In a way every demon, when they possess someone STILL are influenced by mortals and do what those mortals would have done perhaps if they had more power. 

[Lady Artifice]

Spirit of creativity, as a subtype of a Hope spirit. 

 

Too hokey?

 

Eh, I don't care. I like it anyway.

[Lady Artifice]

Desire does what the mortals want to do, only without limits in a way. Hunger does what IT wants. 

In a way every demon, when they possess someone STILL are influenced by mortals and do what those mortals would have done perhaps if they had more power. 

 

 

You've given this serious thought.

 

It's an impressive idea.

[Hellion Rex]

Look what else is interesting, and why the hunger demon is so much more different from every other demon. Like I said before all demons look beyond the veil to mortals for answers, and into their dreams in the fade. And all the demons represent mortal emotions ALL of them:

 

Desire demon 
Despair demon 
Envy demon 
Fear demon 
Pride demon 
Rage demon 
Sloth demon 
Terror demon 

 

Same as their counterpart spirits, these are all human complex emotions! Now hunger, hunger is NOT an emotion, it's a gut feeling, something that happens without any cultural specifics, something that can't be mastered and controlled like other emotions. One that doesn't listen to hunger would die, because feasting is necessary in order to live, if you are not interested you are dead like the spirit of satisfaction. 

 

Hunger is a primal spirit, it doesn't find ways to live off of mortals, but feats on anything, anyone. And I think it is more aware and intelligent than other more limited entities of the fade. 

I'd say it has the capacity to be the strongest, but isn't innately so. But for the rest I agree. Everyone hungers. In war, such a demon could feed off the hunger to live within soldiers and the desire to survive. In a dying mother, it could be the hunger to see her newborn son take his first steps. In a scholar, the hunger to know, to understand the world and its inner workings. Such demons have the capacity to feed almost endlessly off of the mortal world. And still it will never be enough to sate them.

[Hellion Rex]

Desire does what the mortals want to do, only without limits in a way. Hunger does what IT wants. 

In a way every demon, when they possess someone STILL are influenced by mortals and do what those mortals would have done perhaps if they had more power. 

So...in other terms, desire is wanting something, versus hunger, a primal instinctive need that overtakes all else?

[Hellion Rex]

Spirit of creativity, as a subtype of a Hope spirit. 

 

Too hokey?

 

Eh, I don't care. I like it anyway.

Interesting. What makes you see Creativity as a subtype of Hope?

[Lady Artifice]

Hmmm, I could really see it lie on either spectrum. Though, I've always wondered if hunger was somehow connected to desire. Because isn't hunger in essence a desire to be filled?

 

 

Maybe desire/purpose spirits are specific and focused (I want this and that), while hunger demons are pure visceral greed (I want all)? 

 

Though...Subtype still works for that.

[KainD]

I'd say it has the capacity to be the strongest, but isn't innately so. But for the rest I agree. Everyone hungers. In war, such a demon could feed off the hunger to live within soldiers and the desire to survive. In a dying mother, it could be the hunger to see her newborn son take his first steps. In a scholar, the hunger to know, to understand the world and its inner workings. Such demons have the capacity to feed almost endlessly off of the mortal world. And still it will never be enough to sate them.

 

It feeds even from fellow spirits and demons, devours them, stripping them of everything they have gathered, of who thy were, claiming as it's own. 

But yeah, it's interesting what you said.. Hunger.. is Life so to speak. While we live hunger. 

Talking about corrupted purpose Solas! Our purpose is not to lay down and die.. 

[KainD]

So...in other terms, desire is wanting something, versus hunger, a primal instinctive need that overtakes all else?

 

Yeah. 

[KainD]

Getting so deep... I think that the fact that the hunger can never be satisfied is related to the fact that we will never KNOW.. you know? 

[raging_monkey]

Only here can generally pro magic fans can disscus spirits civilly

[Lady Artifice]

Interesting. What makes you see Creativity as a subtype of Hope?

 

Well, firstly I decided that creativity would have to be a subtype, because it's so specific and seemingly minor. Still, I wanted to pick something that represents innovation and progressive movement. I didn't see this working for wisdom, faith, compassion...etc. I only saw it potentially working for Purpose/Desire or Hope. Out of those two, I mostly picked hope because it's rarely seen. ::shrug:: Special snowflake. 

 

However, there's also the factor that I would consider a purpose spirit to be specific, and relatively self motivated. I see hope spirits as being their ideal for it's own sake, which is where I think creativity would fit.

[Lady Artifice]

Only here can generally pro magic fans can disscus spirits civilly

 

 

Not to mention our ambition to become an abomination symbiote. 

[KainD]

Well, firstly I decided that creativity would have to be a subtype, because it's so specific and seemingly minor. 

 

You say minor, but David said that more complex emotions can be more powerful, like retribution for example, which is a subtype of rage. 

Dunno why though.. but that's what he said. 

[raging_monkey]

Not to mention our ambition to become an abomination symbiote. 

that too

#Symbiote4life