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[KainD]

Not to mention our ambition to become an abomination symbiote. 

 

That should be the finally of this discussion, we are all going to stand in a circle, hold hands, summon spirits/demons and get possessed! 

Yay magic! 

[Lady Artifice]

You say minor, but David said that more complex emotions can be more powerful, like retribution for example, which is a subtype of rage. 

Dunno why though.. but that's what he said. 

 

 

Hmm. Retribution just sounds like another Justice/Vengeance thing to be. It's such a cold, distant word for a type of rage spirit.

 

I guess I shouldn't ask Spirits to make perfect sense to me. That might be pretty futile.

[raging_monkey]

You say minor, but David said that more complex emotions can be more powerful, like retribution for example, which is a subtype of rage. 
Dunno why though.. but that's what he said.

rage in itself is simple and rawr imma punch you in the stones while retribution is rage focused for whatever and can move in ways simple rage cant.

I can rage at x social issue my ethnic group has but if i demand retribution i might get farther than general rage

[KainD]

Hmm. Retribution just sounds like another Justice/Vengeance thing to be. It's such a cold, distant word for a type of rage spirit.

 

I guess I shouldn't ask Spirits to make perfect sense to me. That might be pretty futile.

 

Vengeance IS retribution, justice was corrupted by Anders into a spirit of Rage. 

 

Justice is cold, Vengeance is not. 

Justice is like: You have committed a crime, now you shall face the court for a verdict. 

And Vengeance is like: DIE BATARD!! 

[raging_monkey]

Well retribution is similar to vengence but they often have two different focuses. Ones less personal than the other

[Lady Artifice]

Vengeance IS retribution, justice was corrupted by Anders into a spirit of Rage. 

 

Justice is cold, Vengeance is not. 

Justice is like: You have committed a crime, now you shall face the court for a verdict. 

And Vengeance is like: DIE BATARD!! 

 

 

 

Huh...Well, that makes perfect sense.

 

And throws off the whole balance and symmetry I was enjoying of Spirit/Demon counterparts. 

[KainD]

 

Huh...Well, that makes perfect sense.

 

And throws off the whole balance and symmetry I was enjoying of Spirit/Demon counterparts. 

 

 

What did you have in mind?

[KainD]

Well retribution is similar to vengence but they often have two different focuses. Ones less personal than the other

 

Anders was kinda both.. He wanted justice for all mages, and it was personal because he was himself a mage. 

[Hellion Rex]

You say minor, but David said that more complex emotions can be more powerful, like retribution for example, which is a subtype of rage. 

Dunno why though.. but that's what he said. 

Well, I kinda figure it as meaning that it's all about the psychic territory the demon inhabits, like David said. In some respects, simple anger for tripping over a tree root and hurting yourself wouldn't hold much psychic...territory. And on the other hand, you have much more complex types of anger, such as vengeance, perhaps justice, and retribution, which represent anger on a level that is far beyond simple mundane rage. Ergo, power boost to more complex emotions.

[Lady Artifice]

Well, I don't mind the notion of a spirit of creativity being a particularly powerful type of Spirit because of it's specificity. 

 

But what do you guys think? Would it be a hope, desire, wisdom...or something entirely it's own? Does it even sound like a spirit that could exist, based on our experience with the general ineptitude of spirits at being creative?

[Hellion Rex]

 

Huh...Well, that makes perfect sense.

 

And throws off the whole balance and symmetry I was enjoying of Spirit/Demon counterparts. 

 

One thing I learned while listening to Solas was that there really is no symmetry necessarily to the spirits and demons. Both Wisdom and Faith can corrupt into Pride. Spirits of Purpose turn into Desire. I really found it interesting that it isn't really a black and white system by any means.

[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Seeker Lambert got possessed by a spirit of command in my Tevinter story.

o.o it's how he survived and is still in fighting shape when he is well past a century old.

He's basically a spirit warrior with both seeker and templar abilities.

[Hellion Rex]

Well, I don't mind the notion of a spirit of creativity being a particularly powerful type of Spirit because of it's specificity. 

 

But what do you guys think? Would it be a hope, desire, wisdom...or something entirely it's own? Does it even sound like a spirit that could exist, based on our experience with the general ineptitude of spirits at being creative?

Well, it depends on how you define creativity personally. I'd almost say that it'd be it's own type of spirit, not necessarily under any of the other types you mentioned.

 

Creativity, and perhaps more specifically, inspiration, would be, in my opinion, extremely powerful.

[raging_monkey]

Anders was kinda both.. He wanted justice for all mages, and it was personal because he was himself a mage.

true but he describes it as vengence so its for him personal imo

Well, I don't mind the notion of a spirit of creativity being a particularly powerful type of Spirit because of it's specificity. 
 
But what do you guys think? Would it be a hope, desire, wisdom...or something entirely it's own? Does it even sound like a spirit that could exist, based on our experience with the general ineptitude of spirits at being creative?

probably somewhere on the hope spectrum or more likly a oddity on its own since spirits "lack creativity" hence the possesion. At worst it could be a "cole" like being

[KainD]

Well, I don't mind the notion of a spirit of creativity being a particularly powerful type of Spirit because of it's specificity. 

 

But what do you guys think? Would it be a hope, desire, wisdom...or something entirely it's own? Does it even sound like a spirit that could exist, based on our experience with the general ineptitude of spirits at being creative?

 

Went to the dictionary with this for more elaborate understanding of the origin - definitely hope or desire. 

[raging_monkey]

Lord Seeker Lambert got possessed by a spirit of command in my Tevinter story.
o.o it's how he survived and is still in fighting shape when he is well past a century old.
He's basically a spirit warrior with both seeker and templar abilities.

seems a bit contrived considering people explicity say he was assasinated. But ill admit im curious how it will turn out

[Hellion Rex]

Went to the dictionary with this for more elaborate understanding of the origin - definitely hope or desire. 

Hmmm, what makes you say that? I'm still not necessarily seeing a connection to hope or desire.

[Lady Artifice]

What did you have in mind?

 

 

Oh, nothing specific. I just...I think the only way I can describe it is that I was keeping chantry hierarchy too much in mind even though Chantry hierarchy has proven to be a limited way to view it. A long way back, in fact.

 

Pride demons are "more powerful" than desire demons...unless that specific desire demon is Gaxkang or Imshael...so on. I was thinking that a Vengeance demon must be more than a rage demon because the Vengeance we know is more than the little fiery imps we've killed over and over and over. Also, vengeance being a subtype of Rage weirds me out because its counterpart Justice doesn't seem to be.

 

It just struck me as less symmetrical than I had seen it a moment before, and my little mental world shifted on me. 

[Master Warder Z_]

seems a bit contrived considering people explicity say he was assasinated. But ill admit im curious how it will turn out

Blame what killed him

Such a strong personality, will...it attracts things.

And being killed by a warped little spirit just happened to weaken the veil.

That said he doesn't resurface until more then a decade after DAI.

But yes, you have a point.

He did die.

[KainD]

Hmmm, what makes you say that? I'm still not necessarily seeing a connection to hope or desire.

 

Creativity: the ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships,or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods,interpretations, etc.; originality, progressiveness, or imagination.

 

When you try to transcend/brake things and rules it's either:

1) Desire - you want to, you gain something from it.

or

2) Hope - you believe it will be for the best, better than it is now. 

[Hellion Rex]

Creativity: the ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships,or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods,interpretations, etc.; originality, progressiveness, or imagination.

 

When you try to transcend/brake things and rules it's either:

1) Desire - you want to, you gain something from it.

or

2) Hope - you believe it will be for the best, better than it is now. 

Fair point. With those definitions, it could fit with either.

[Lady Artifice]

Hmmm, what makes you say that? I'm still not necessarily seeing a connection to hope or desire.

 

 

Where I see the connection is the urge toward progress/betterment. What good is creativity/inspiration without a goal? That seems to be how a  Spirit would engage with the concept, at least.

[KainD]

Oh, nothing specific. I just...I think the only way I can describe it is that I was keeping chantry hierarchy too much in mind even though Chantry hierarchy has proven to be a limited way to view it. A long way back, in fact.

 

Pride demons are "more powerful" than desire demons...unless that specific desire demon is Gaxkang or Imshael...so on. I was thinking that a Vengeance demon must be more than a rage demon because the Vengeance we know is more than the little fiery imps we've killed over and over and over. Also, vengeance being a subtype of Rage weirds me out because its counterpart Justice doesn't seem to be.

 

It just struck me as less symmetrical than I had seen it a moment before, and my little mental world shifted on me. 

 

Justice is a perfect antonym for rage I think. It's cold vs hot, morality vs animalistic response. 

[Lady Artifice]

Creativity: the ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns, relationships,or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms, methods,interpretations, etc.; originality, progressiveness, or imagination.

 

When you try to transcend/brake things and rules it's either:

1) Desire - you want to, you gain something from it.

or

2) Hope - you believe it will be for the best, better than it is now. 

 

You're good at this.

[raging_monkey]

Blame what killed him
Such a strong personality, will...it attracts things.
And being killed by a warped little spirit just happened to weaken the veil.
That said he doesn't resurface until more then a decade after DAI.
But yes, you have a point.
He did die.

well resurrection is possible so im down with the plot device. And tbh i thought cole let him go or didnt "double check"