15947 réponses à ce sujet

[Sir DeLoria]

It's call being loyal!

Which in turn is never returned by the mage master. Well, maybe it is until a party guest must be entertained with a human/elf sacrifice.

no stockholm Syndrome is described as: strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.
 
if the Slave is being treated well to term doesn't apply.

The majority aren't, so it is very much applicable.

[ComedicSociopathy]

A well treated slave is still a slave regardless, just like how a Circle mage is still a prisoner in their tower. 

[The Elder King]

Actually that's not true, but if you keep insisting I guess you'll just have to wait and see in DA 4 or 5.

Not necessarily. Dorian will probably has a lot of info on Tevinter.
Also, I don't think that we currently have enough info to say which one of you is right.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Circle mages can't earn their freedom. Circle mages can't climb the social ladder. Slaves in Tevinter can.

Um, Wilhelm of Honneleath disproves that. He was allowed to live out of the Tower.

[Tevinter Soldier]

A well treated slave is still a slave regardless, just like how a Circle mage is still a prisoner in their tower. 

 

and would you suggest those circle mages that support being prisoners in the circle are suffering from stockholm syndrome?

[The Elder King]

Circle mages can't earn their freedom. Circle mages can't climb the social ladder. Slaves in Tevinter can.

Circle mages can actually climb a social ladder. Some mages can leave the tower, and based on theIr status and reputation live for longer periods and without supervision.

[The Elder King]

and would you suggest those circle mages that support being prisoners in the circle are suffering from stockholm syndrome?

Some of them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

One mage. One. Versus how many slaves risen to Liberati, Soperati, and Laetans?

One case was all I needed to counter your argument. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Actually that's not true, but if you keep insisting I guess you'll just have to wait and see in DA 4 or 5.

Is there any counter evidence to my statement in the game? Because if every Tevinter Magister was, loving and caring to their slaves, slavery would likely not exist in Tevinter within a few generations. There hasn't been a single Tevinter mage in a DA game who was kind to their slaves, but there were dozens of examples of the opposite case, ranging from ritual sacrifices to live batteries.

[Daerog]

Not all slave masters support blood magic, not all sacrifice their slaves. There are evil magisters, yes, but not all support blood magic.

 

Edit: It is not that different from the nobles of Orlais. Even many of the banns in Fereldan were evil jerks. Tevinter should be supported in the vision that Hessarian had, and a vision that Dorian probably has to. Tevinter shouldn't be entirely damned just because there are many evil people there, it can be Transfigured again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Still monitored and controlled by the Chantry's whim after a lifetime of being told they're evil and brought down hell on earth.

And the free slaves are still monitored and controlled by the magisters' whims, so your point is moot. 

 

 

I'm sorry, I didn't know Wilhelm was eligible to become Arl of Redcliffe. What he had wasn't freedom. It was a long ass leash.

Again, just like what the free slaves have.

[Sir DeLoria]

Circle mages can't earn their freedom. Circle mages can't climb the social ladder. Slaves in Tevinter can.

Circle Mages live a life in safety and (relative) luxury, don't have to work and probably live happier lives than the average peasant. Slaves can be murdered, brutalized and forced to eternal labor however their master pleases.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Is there any counter evidence to my statement in the game? Because if every Tevinter Magister was, loving and caring to their slaves, slavery would likely not exist in Tevinter within a few generations. There hasn't been a single Tevinter mage in a DA game who was kind to their slaves, but there were dozens of examples of the opposite case, ranging from ritual sacrifices to live batteries.

 

You miss fenris's master. Not only was fenris's sister to be freed and looked after he asked fenris permission to put in place the lyrium tattoo's.

If he was such a horrible guy why the volunteer? why would his slaves leave his side and comeback? 

[The Elder King]

Still monitored and controlled by the Chantry's whim after a lifetime of being told they're evil and brought down hell on earth.

I didn't say that the system is perfect/good. You said circle mages can't climb a Social ladder, while they can.

[ComedicSociopathy]

and would you suggest those circle mages that support being prisoners in the circle are suffering from stockholm syndrome?

 

If a slave wants to continue to be a slave then that's their business. But if you gave every slave in Tevinter the option to be emancipated or not, I would guess that their answers would be mostly "Yes, please".  That's pretty much what happened when Andraste and Shartan freed the elves anyway. 

[Br3admax]

But they don't because slaves are very expensive...

Yes they do, and their are slavers all over Thedas to prove it. 

[Tevinter Soldier]

 

 

And the free slaves are still monitored and controlled by the magisters' whims, so your point is moot. 

 

 

Again, just like what the free slaves have.

 

 

No they don't, Free'd slaves go before a judge where the owner surrenders all claims and the now former slave owe's them nothing.

 

at any moment Templar scum could have marched in arrested or slain Willhelm at a moments notice. The guy was a war hero can could still have been sent to the tower.

 

Not even the king of ferelden succeeded in freeing mage's, Think about that sovereign of a country told nope. 

if the Archon said a slave in tevinter was free'd anyone who tried to re enslave him would meet a very, very quick end.