You miss fenris's master. Not only was fenris's sister to be freed and looked after he asked fenris permission to put in place the lyrium tattoo's.
If he was such a horrible guy why the volunteer? why would his slaves leave his side and comeback?
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Yes they do, and their are slavers all over Thedas to prove it.
In both DA:O and DA2 and most if not all EU slavers have been from every nation but Tevinter. The only exception is Caladrius who didn't harm any of his stock until his life was threatened by the Warden. And if he does harm them it's because the Warden agrees to his ritual in exchange for his life.
But they don't because slaves are very expensive...
If a slave wants to continue to be a slave then that's their business. But if you gave every slave in Tevinter the option to be emancipated or not, I would guess that their answers would be mostly "Yes, please". That's pretty much what happened when Andraste and Shartan freed the elves anyway.
bang up job of freeing slaves eh? rotting in slums and sold back to tevinter for money.
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Says who?
Did you play DA2? If I buy a new car I don't pop my tires because there's a problem with the starter.
You miss fenris's master. Not only was fenris's sister to be freed and looked after he asked fenris permission to put in place the lyrium tattoo's.
If he was such a horrible guy why the volunteer? why would his slaves leave his side and comeback?
We know why Fenris' sister came back: She was promised an apprentice position if she helped Danarius get Fenris.
Plus Danarius apparently raped Fenris, so any argument that he isn't a horrible person is going to fall flat to most people.
No they don't, Free'd slaves go before a judge where the owner surrenders all claims and the now former slave owe's them nothing.
at any moment Templar scum could have marched in arrested or slain Willhelm at a moments notice. The guy was a war hero can could still have been sent to the tower.
Not even the king of ferelden succeeded in freeing mage's, Think about that sovereign of a country told nope.
if the Archon said a slave in tevinter was free'd anyone who tried to re enslave him would meet a very, very quick end.
They go from slave to serf, which you argued was the same thing earlier this thread.
At any moment a magister could do whatever they want to the free slave, especially since they don't have to worry about them being someone else's property anymore.
Not even the Archon who wanted to end slavery succeeded either. He was "told nope" by those under him. Some loyal citizens those magisters are.
From a governmental perspective. Same way a freeholder in Ferelden is at a Bann's, Arl's, Teryn's, King's whim. Magisters can't just grab free men off the street. They buy slaves from the 'free' nations for that. LOL
Magisters can do that if they want and think they could get away with it.
You forgot the bands of slavers they send from Tevinter to capture slaves too.
Did you play DA2? If I buy a new car I don't pop my tires because there's a problem with the starter.
He liked Fenris quite a lot evidently and the man was a valuable asset. Danarius also murdered dozens for nothing but fun.
you base these claims on the word of a man that murdered a defenceless woman after he accepted a deal with her.
the word of a known liar and murderer. for shame!
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Yes and I remember a Tevinter mage killing all her slaves for a demon invocating ritual, charming.
Oh and the lovely description of the Bone Pit, where the Tevinter Overseer used to feed hundreds of slaves to his pet dragonlings.
1) She wasn't a slaver. And she was trying to survive.
2) That was hundreds of years before the Dragon Age.
I have a gigantic bridge to sell to people who think Andraste's armies who were barbarians didn't kill any innocents or raped in their fight against Tevinter.
We know why Fenris' sister came back: She was promised an apprentice position if she helped Danarius get Fenris.
Plus Danarius apparently raped Fenris, so any argument that he isn't a horrible person is going to fall flat to most people.
They go from slave to serf, which you argued was the same thing earlier this thread.
At any moment a magister could do whatever they want to the free slave, especially since they don't have to worry about them being someone else's property anymore.
Not even the Archon who wanted to end slavery succeeded either. He was "told nope" by those under him. Some loyal citizens those magisters are.
Magisters can do that if they want and think they could get away with it.
You forgot the bands of slavers they send from Tevinter to capture slaves too.
Fenris sister came back to show fenris the error of his ways. as stated Fenris is a known lair and a murder, nothing he says can be trusted.
there's no evidence of the abuse among the serf's in tevinter. the Archon, tried to undermine the Magisterium and place himself above the government, Tevinter does not tolerate tyrants.
Pure speculations.
the bands of slavers sent all over Thedas act on legal authority of those countries they operate in. As they did in ferelden. If you have an issue with it, address those countries.
I have a gigantic bridge to sell to people who think Andraste's armies who were barbarians didn't kill any innocents or raped in their fight against Tevinter.
So because one side did bad things(which I have seen nobody deny), the other side should be excused of their bad things?
Okay, thanks for approving everything the Templars have done.
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Plus Danarius apparently raped Fenris, so any argument that he isn't a horrible person is going to fall flat to most people.
LMAO. Ridiculous lies and supposition. And once again... Fenris is an amnesiac. If there was a sexual relationship between the two it's far more likely they were lovers.
They go from slave to serf, which you argued was the same thing earlier this thread.
At any moment a magister could do whatever they want to the free slave, especially since they don't have to worry about them being someone else's property anymore.
Not even the Archon who wanted to end slavery succeeded either. He was "told nope" by those under him. Some loyal citizens those magisters are.
This doesn't counter anything I've said. Slaves in Tevinter are better off than commoners in most of Thedas. Fereldans and Qunari being the exceptions.
Magisters can do that if they want and think they could get away with it.
Not without breaking the law they can't. You may think it's a corrupt cesspool. If it is, it's no worse than Orlais. If it isn't you're parroting Chantry propaganda. Congratulations.
You forgot the bands of slavers they send from Tevinter to capture slaves too.
Buy. Buy slaves. Not steal. Difference. If anything, the governments that are profiting off of the slave trade are more responsible than Tevinter. Since you're intent on pointing fingers and all.
If a slave wants to continue to be a slave then that's their business. But if you gave every slave in Tevinter the option to be emancipated or not, I would guess that their answers would be mostly "Yes, please". That's pretty much what happened when Andraste and Shartan freed the elves anyway.
And yet a whole bunch of them decided the long walk to the Dales, freedom, wasn't worth it. So Tevinter must have been doing something right.
So because one side did bad things(which I have seen nobody deny), the other side should be excused of their bad things?
Okay, thanks for approving everything the Templars have done.
I cannot fathom how you get that massage. Seriously.
People who are defending south Thedas and making examples of their "goodness" when attack Tevinter need to know that in a timeline like Thedas the strong will devour the weak and each nation has its own way. Fiona was a slave and she was treated as worst as a slave can be treated and she was from Orlais, the dicrect opposition of Tevinter. If you were going to be pretty version of Tevinter why did you rebelled and killed thousands?
He liked Fenris quite a lot evidently and the man was a valuable asset. Danarius also murdered dozens for nothing but fun.
Where is your evidence of these murders?
Tevinter isn't just slavery and blood magic...
The government structure is interesting, their religious history is as well, they have many selfless heroes, they have a lot of strength and pride, they are the only ones fighting to free those conquered in the north...
They have bad historical events and some of their leadership brought about the Blights. They have also had their own revolutions and reformations. Blood magic was really put down for a long time until all the other nations wanted to squash Tevinter just because it didn't want to lose its magical leadership. It's them against the world, kind of like Orzammar, but at least people in Thedas don't dream about destroying Orzammar (who would hold back the darkspawn, then?), and what is fun to see is that they can take on the world (they may lose in the long run, but are willing to fight).
The voyage was dangerous. A lot (if Not most) died while reaching the Dales.And yet a whole bunch of them decided the long walk to the Dales, freedom, wasn't worth it. So Tevinter must have been doing something right.
The voyage was dangerous. A lot (if Not most) died while reaching the Dales.
Then the "freedom" loving south marched on the dales and slaughtered them and enslaved tens of thousands in all but name. 
Fenris sister came back to show fenris the error of his ways. as stated Fenris is a known lair and a murder, nothing he says can be trusted.
there's no evidence of the abuse among the serf's in tevinter. the Archon, tried to undermine the Magisterium and place himself above the government, Tevinter does not tolerate tyrants.
Pure speculations.
the bands of slavers sent all over Thedas act on legal authority of those countries they operate in. As they did in ferelden. If you have an issue with it, address those countries.
She came back to turn him, her own brother, into slavery so she could get a promotion. She says this, not him.
Really? You really think that Tevinter is a utopia for all the non-slave people under the magisters and that they have never been abused? Of course there is no evidence considering we haven't been there.
And Alistair and/or Anora tried to overrule the rights given to the Templars by their ancestors, yet the Templars didn't assassinate them for it.
No, it isn't. There is evidence of them being illegal in DA lore, the slaves are called 'no-contract slaves'. The fact they have to have a term for it means that it happens often enough to have a distinction.
And This is relevant...how?Then the "freedom" loving south marched on the dales and slaughtered them and enslaved tens of thousands in all but name.
I cannot fathom how you get that massage. Seriously.
People who are defending south Thedas and making examples of their "goodness" when attack Tevinter need to know that in a timeline like Thedas the strong will devour the weak and each nation has its own way. Fiona was a slave and she was treated as worst as a slave can be treated and she was from Orlais, the dicrect opposition of Tevinter. If you were going to be pretty version of Tevinter why did you rebelled and killed thousands?
Again, I have never defended Orlais. They are just as bad as Tevinter to me.
you base these claims on the word of a man that murdered a defenceless woman after he accepted a deal with her.
the word of a known liar and murderer. for shame!
Saying that the south (like Orlais) also does bad things doesn't really justify the bad thing itself, however it is good to mention that this world has its problems everywhere and it isn't just isolated/focused in Tevinter and only use it as ammo against Tevinter.
Tevinter must have some pretty cool festivals and holidays if they can openly perform magic for the entertainment of the people.
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