Again, I have never defended Orlais. They are just as bad as Tevinter to me.
Other nations are not any better really, they just don't have enough power. Many people think Ferelden is the best while it has the worst alieanage in all Thedas and killing a human to defend an elf is a capital crime.
Where is your evidence of these murders?
Other nations are not any better really, they just don't have enough power. Many people think Ferelden is the best while it has the worst alieanage in all Thedas and killing a human to defend an elf is a capital crime.
How do you know Denerim's alienage is the worst?
Hell, Kirkwall's alienage is only a corner 
LMAO. Ridiculous lies and supposition. And once again... Fenris is an amnesiac. If there was a sexual relationship between the two it's far more likely they were lovers.
This doesn't counter anything I've said. Slaves in Tevinter are better off than commoners in most of Thedas. Fereldans and Qunari being the exceptions.
Not without breaking the law they can't. You may think it's a corrupt cesspool. If it is, it's no worse than Orlais. If it isn't you're parroting Chantry propaganda. Congratulations.
Buy. Buy slaves. Not steal. Difference. If anything, the governments that are profiting off of the slave trade are more responsible than Tevinter. Since you're intent on pointing fingers and all.
Well if writer hints are lies to you, then I can't say anymore on that topic.
The mere fact they have no freedom at all makes them worse off. Their life's dream is to become a serf essentially.
Considering as how I see Orlais as being as bad as Tevinter, I'll agree with you there.
No, they also have slaver bands that leave Tevinter, gather 'merchandise', then come back. All without any consent from any government other than Tevinter.
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Fenris dialogue. Where is your evidence against them?
His amnesia. Leto and Danarius were great pals before Leto volunteered for his lyrium Vallaslin.
She came back to turn him, her own brother, into slavery so she could get a promotion. She says this, not him.
Really? You really think that Tevinter is a utopia for all the non-slave people under the magisters and that they have never been abused? Of course there is no evidence considering we haven't been there.
And Alistair and/or Anora tried to overrule the rights given to the Templars by their ancestors, yet the Templars didn't assassinate them for it.
No, it isn't. There is evidence of them being illegal in DA lore, the slaves are called 'no-contract slaves'. The fact they have to have a term for it means that it happens often enough to have a distinction.
She has her memory entire, clear she knows better then fenris, who's suffering from amnesia and is on a killing streak. she did it out of love. Once again return him you get an update on how everything has worked out some money and an invite to see a snazzy museum if you're ever in tevinter.
Hardly seems like its all evil.
as you said no evidence....
It's completely legal as far as Tevinter is concerned there is a fully contract the slaves are bought and paid for. In fact you can even get this evidence and use it at the landsmeet. Slavery is a contract thats the whole point.
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Well if writer hints are lies to you, then I can't say anymore on that topic.
Do you have proof they are better off? You do not. The mere fact they have no freedom makes them worse off. A gilded cage is still a cage as Zevran put it.
Considering as how I see Orlais as being as bad as Tevinter, I'll agree with you there.
No, they also have slaver bands that leave Tevinter, gather 'merchandise', then come back. All without any consent from any government other than Tevinter.
What hints? Everything that has to do with Fenris' back story is arguable. Whatever he can't remember he makes up. What he does remember is taken out of context.
Yes, because as I said, out of Thedas it's the Tevinter and Qunari who favor and encourage upward mobility. Laetans can become Archons. Slaves can become Laetans and so on.
Good. Orlais sucks.
The Tevinter don't steal. They buy. What's the first thing the Tevinter slaver does when he believes Varric's bullshit about Captain Rainer's (a Marcher) goods? He throws Hawke a sack of gold apologizing and freeing Feynriel wanting no trouble with the Free Marches.
Fenris dialogue. Where is your evidence against them?
as i said a man who you saw lie and murder a defenceless woman (as well as his former master if you don't do the right thing)
he even kills his own sister if you can't control him.
he's a psychopath.
You know all this talk of slavery has me thinking. It be cool if we had an elven mage character from Tevinter, who goes around buying elven slaves from the rest of Thedas for their own good. Because they genuinely believe Tevinter's system is better for the elves than what the southern barbarians do to them .
1) She wasn't a slaver. And she was trying to survive.
2) That was hundreds of years before the Dragon Age.
You know all this talk of slavery has me thinking. It be cool if we had an elven mage character from Tevinter, who goes around buying elven slaves from the rest of Thedas for their own good. Because they genuinely believe Tevinter's system is better for the elves than what the southern barbarians do to them .
better yet they have an elf archer doing just that: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Devera
See this a mundane Elf rescuing city elves from the alienage.
as i said a man who you saw lie and murder a defenceless woman (as well as his former master if you don't do the right thing)
he even kills his own sister if you can't control him.
he's a psychopath.
Psychopath? His sister tried to sell him back into slavery after he'd been free for years... she's no innocent victim. And this "defenseless woman" he "murdered?" Are you really saying that Hadrianna didn't have it coming? I don't see how Fenris was under any obligation to keep his word to her...
Also, let me just make it very clear that although I do want to play as a Tevinter in a game set in Tevinter, I am under no illusion that this is some idyllic fantasy land thanks to the benevolent Magister Lords. It's likely hell for anyone who doesn't have power, and I don't see any reason to pretend otherwise. This whole discussion about how slaves are better off than commoners in other lands is nuts... how can being a slave ever be preferable to being free? I'm interested in Tevinter, but come on, people... it is what it is.
She has her memory entire, clear she knows better then fenris, who's suffering from amnesia and is on a killing streak. she did it out of love. Once again return him you get an update on how everything has worked out some money and an invite to see a snazzy museum if you're ever in tevinter.
Hardly seems like its all evil.
as you said no evidence....
It's completely legal as far as Tevinter is concerned there is a fully contract the slaves are bought and paid for. In fact you can even get this evidence and use it at the landsmeet. Slavery is a contract thats the whole point.
You're joking at this point, right? Selling a sibling into slavery so you get a promotion is the opposite of loving your sibling since you are agreeing that they are just an object.
Again, I have not said Tevinter is evil. I have said the Tevinter establishment is. There is a difference.
And you have no evidence that they are not abused. But seeing as how we know they are a Social Darwinistic culture, a medieval one at that, it is logical to believe there is abuse of the have-nots by the haves. Even Ferelden has that, and they are the progressive country.
Let's just ignore Castillon, a pirate captain who was hired by Tevinter to gather slaves for them. And how did he do this? By pretending to be someone who would ferry refugees. No government approval other than Tevinter's.
What hints? Everything that has to do with Fenris' back story is arguable. Whatever he can't remember he makes up. What he does remember is taken out of context.
Yes, because as I said, out of Thedas it's the Tevinter and Qunari who favor and encourage upward mobility. Laetans can become Archons. Slaves can become Laetans and so on.
Good. Orlais sucks.
The Tevinter don't steal. They buy. What's the first thing the Tevinter slaver does when he believes Varric's bullshit about Captain Rainer's (a Marcher) goods? He throws Hawke a sack of gold apologizing and freeing Feynriel wanting no trouble with the Free Marches.
From one of Gaider's tumblrs:
- Did you get the sense that Danarius had a really sketchy (*cough* intimate *cough*) relationship with Fenris? Yeah, you weren’t exactly wrong…. :/
And before you say that means they were just lovers, why would Gaider say sketchy and do the :/ face?
Ferelden granted a farmer the rank of Teyrn for his actions. Kirkwall granted a refugee nobility for their actions. So no, other nations do as well.
Again, I point out Castillon as a counterpoint to Tevinter never stealing slaves.
You know all this talk of slavery has me thinking. It be cool if we had an elven mage character from Tevinter, who goes around buying elven slaves from the rest of Thedas for their own good. Because they genuinely believe Tevinter's system is better for the elves than what the southern barbarians do to them .
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1) Yes and that obviously excuses mass murder of innocent people, pardon me
2) And things like that magically change over time? If slaves were murdered without a problem then, why wouldn't they be now?
1) Doesn't make it right. But it's the truth. Survival instinct is no joke. Ever play Last of Us or Fallout?
2) For one the Bone Pit and the Free Marches belonged to Tevinter? They could afford to snatch and any old bum off the street and put them to work. Nowadays Tevinter has to broker back room deals with official governments or rely on pirates to purchase their slaves.
You don't become a rich Magister by being a nice guy, so that seems unlikely.
You can do horrible things for good reasons. There's a difference between caring about something or being good to your property and being nice to everyone you meet or just nice in general for no reason.
better yet they have an elf archer doing just that: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Devera
See this a mundane Elf rescuing city elves from the alienage.
My City Elf Warden took so much joy in enacting righteous fury on her, her boss, and her cohorts.
Meh. It felt good killing her with my Dalish and CE Wardens. Not as much as killing Howe with my Couslands, but still good.better yet they have an elf archer doing just that: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Devera
See this a mundane Elf rescuing city elves from the alienage.
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Again, I point out Castillon as a counterpoint to Tevinter never stealing slaves.
You're manipulating event's Castillion approached Tevinter saying he had stock, Tevinter never hired him.
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This is one of those things Gaider won't confirm, unless he does. Fenris' and Danarius relationship is open to interpretation. You say rape. I say consensual, just like everything else Fenris made up about his past.
Ferelden granted a farmer the rank of Teyrn for his actions. Kirkwall granted a refugee nobility for their actions. So no, other nations do as well.
Again. Ferelden being the exception. Hawke was already a noble. "Proud scion of the Amell family!" He just decided to keep his father's last name.
Again, I point out Castillon as a counterpoint to Tevinter never stealing slaves.
I bet the Antivan Navy are doing everything in their power to stop him... LOL
You can do horrible things for good reasons. There's a difference between caring about something or being good to your property and being nice to everyone you meet or just nice in general for no reason.
1) Doesn't make it right. But it's the truth. Survival instinct is no joke. Ever play Last of Us or Fallout?
2) For one the Bone Pit and the Free Marches belonged to Tevinter? They could afford to snatch and any old bum off the street and put them to work. Nowadays Tevinter has to broker back room deals with official governments or rely on pirates to purchase their slaves.
My City Elf Warden took so much joy in enacting righteous fury on her, her boss, and her cohorts.
Meh. It felt good killing her with my Dalish and CE Wardens. Not as much as killing Howe with my Couslands, but still good.
They don't take Elven slaves to 'free' them From the Alienages. They take them to use them. The fact That there's a slight change for Some of them to be Free (Which I don't know if it's stated to be possible for non-mages elves, but I might've missed the info) isnt even 1% of the reason why They take them.
see this? law abiding citizens and you lot murdered them.
and you claim to be good guy's. 
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You're manipulating event's Castillion approached Tevinter saying he had stock, Tevinter never hired him.
Not only that, but what is Antiva doing to stop the Felliscimia Armada? I bet if the Navy cracked down a lot of Merchant Princes would start hiring Crows.
see this? law abiding citizens and you lot murdered them.
and you claim to be good guy's.
Barbarians, what do you expect?
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