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[Lady Artifice]

I went to Orlais, and killed lots and lots of Templars.

 

Over and over and over and over...

[The Baconer]

Sorry...Which part had the eye lasers? 

 

Spoiler

[Master Warder Z_]

I went to Orlais, and killed lots and lots of Templars.

Over and over and over and over...

Well you probably didn't even make a dent.

Largest garrison in western thedas after all.

It was home to nearly ten thousand Templars before the war.

[The Baconer]

So are Templars better warriors than Chevaliers, all things considered? TME seems a bit like empty hype now that I've read how an embarrassing number of them got bodied by a single alienage elf.

[herkles]

As long as you aren't referring to the bumbling fools in southern Thedas, I can dig that.

 

 

"Our southern cousins stumble in the dark. Their false and heretical chantry blinds them. The chant of light is clear on magic. It is the Maker's gift to to the world. The heretics in the south deny this. They teach it is a curse. The gift the maker bestowed upon the world, a curse. The fact that is their logic explains why they are so backwards"

 

~Knight-Commander Aurelia~

[Master Warder Z_]

So are Templars better warriors than Chevaliers, all things considered? TME seems a bit like empty hype now that I've read how an embarrassing number of them got bodied by a single alienage elf.

What are you talking about?

[Lady Artifice]

Well you probably didn't even make a dent.

Largest garrison in western thedas after all.

It was home to nearly ten thousand Templars before the war.

 

 

How impressive. Any estimate on how many are left after the conclave explosion?

[Master Warder Z_]

How impressive. Any estimate on how many are left after the conclave explosion?

My best guess is somewhere around three to five.

Spread across Orlais.

[The Baconer]

What are you talking about?

 

One of the weapon descriptions in the game. A single elf capped over 20 Chevaliers.

[Master Warder Z_]

One of the weapon descriptions in the game. A single elf capped over 20 Chevaliers.

Bow?

I refuse to believe this had a chance in hell of being melee combat.

[Lady Artifice]

So, dear Tevinter supporters how do you view Vivienne? Amusement, pity, disgust or admiration?

 

 

I needed time to ponder this before I responded.

 

She's a commendably cunning and talented Mage, despite her unfortunate allegiances.

 

Also, her taste in fashion is exceptional for an Orlesian.

[myahele]

I never bothered with orlesian stuff but aren't Chevaliers trained against lotsa different styles of combat?

[The Baconer]

Bow?

I refuse to believe this had a chance in hell of being melee combat.

 

No. If you can believe it, it's actually much, much worse than I made it seem initially:

 

Dagger - Knightslayer

 

"The most famous elven criminal in Orlais was Alidda of Halamshiral, arrested in 4:45 Black for slaying three Chevaliers. The trail, presided over by Divine Clemence I, revealed that Alidda had slain *twelve* Chevaliers, in retaliation for the "graduation" tradition that sent knights into the slums to attack elves out past curfew. Alidda escaped and killed twenty more Chevaliers, two in single combat, before she was cornered and, to avoid capture, cut her throat with her own daggers."

 

Well... don't feel too bad Z. When it comes to killing defenseless poor people, I'd still rate the Chevaliers among my top 20.

[Master Warder Z_]

Oh so she only killed two in individual combat.

That's not nearly as bad as you made it seem.

Assassins are lethal because they strike when the opponent cannot defend themselves.

Killing thirty chevaliers as an assassin isn't a demerit against the order anymore then those who fell to Maric's armies during the rebellion.

So in truth all you really confirmed is that the order isn't wrong to butcher elves.

[RobRam10]

The Chevaliers never cease to amaze me.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Chevaliers never cease to amaze me.

I wish we actually fought a few.

Or you know even met one besides Gaspard.

[Pewps]

I was pretty neutral to Tevinter until I went to Orlais. Now I just want Tevinter to wipe them off the map.

[Master Warder Z_]

::waits for Z to deliberately miss the point::

I beat you to it

I have Seeker like reflexes.

[Lady Artifice]

I wish we actually fought a few.

Or you know even met one besides Gaspard.

 

 

Poor Z. There was also Michel.

 

Not that either of those two did anything useful in game.

[Master Warder Z_]

Poor Z. There was also Michel.

Not that either of those two did anything useful in game.

Not really.

It was frustrating.

[myahele]

Is there any info regarding venatori/tevinter mundane foot soldiers? Are they slaves? Are freedmen able to join the military?

Kinda getting my lore mixed up

[The Baconer]

Oh so she only killed two in individual combat.

That's not nearly as bad as you made it seem.

Assassins are lethal because they strike when the opponent cannot defend themselves.

 

Chevaliers are also experts at killing opponents who cannot defend themselves, so you'd think they'd be able to predict and counter such and adversary... at least before the casualties hit 30.

 

 

Killing thirty chevaliers as an assassin isn't a demerit against the order anymore then those who fell to Maric's armies during the rebellion.

So in truth all you really confirmed is that the order isn't wrong to butcher elves.

 

You know, I actually think the picture here is becoming clear. Alidda, the River Dane, the fact that Gaspard would turn to foreign mercenaries for his most critical maneuver in the war... There comes a point where one can only make up so many accolades for killing oppressed minorities.

[Master Warder Z_]

Retaking Kirkwall, taking Dernerim, the siege of the Anderfels, the taking of the Dales, the siege of Kont arr.

They have a pretty impressive list of victories.

Also only Celene dismisses the mercenaries as a slight which is amusing considering her own usage of them.

Gaspard demonstrated he would make use of any and all advantage to obtain his aim, mages, elves, and more.

Why are mercenaries suddenly taboo?

[Lady Artifice]

Mercenaries having a bad rap isn't new.

 

Nearly every game/fantasy novel reminiscent of human history I can think of has the implication.

 

Skyrim, Dragon Age, Song of Ice and Fire...

 

Mercenaries are expected to be just in it for the money, not a country or a Sovereign or a principle, so they aren't equal to warriors with actual causes and such.

[The Baconer]

Retaking Kirkwall, taking Dernerim, the siege of the Anderfels, the taking of the Dales, the siege of Kont arr.

They have a pretty impressive list of victories.

 

Aside from Kirkwall, you're attributing victories of the Orlesian Empire to the performance of Chevaliers even when their order is never mentioned in the accounts? One could sooner associate the success of Orlais in the Second Blight in particular with mages (in a time that pre-dates the Circle in Southern Thedas, no less). 

 

 

Also only Celene dismisses the mercenaries as a slight which is amusing considering her own usage of them.

Gaspard demonstrated he would make use of any and all advantage to obtain his aim, mages, elves, and more.

Why are mercenaries suddenly taboo?

 

Taboo? You misunderstand. What he intended to do at the Winter Palace would be his largest gambit by far, and yet he would sooner trust its execution to foreign mercenaries over his own peers, the supposed elite of the elite Chevaliers.