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[MisterJB]

Like I said, all nations have flaws... White Chantry nations like Orlais and Ferelden practice legal genocide in the form of alienage purges, and those nations are all ruled by non-mages, with the mages kept safely within Circles.  The fact that Magisters rule Tevinter does not make the crimes perpetrated by that nation's government any more reprehensible than the crimes of White Chantry nations... so long as abominations aren't roaming the streets, I don't really care who rules a country.

And the negatives of White Chantry Nations should be adressed but let's not deny that a great number, if not all, abuses within Tevinter society exist because of the belief that magic makes some men better than others and that they would disappear if the rulling class was deposed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Invariably it always comes back to the question of whose team your on. Like mages? Tevinter has many positives. Don't like mages? Tevinter is almost irredeemably evil.  

Not really. I think the Mages should have more rights, and yet hate the Tevinter establishment. 

[Icy Magebane]

And the negatives of White Chantry Nations should be adressed but let's not deny that a great number, if not all, abuses within Tevinter society exist because of the belief that magic makes some men better than others and that they would disappear if the rulling class was deposed.

Blood sacrifice might see a sharp decline, but I doubt the Tevinters would stop practicing slavery just because non-mages took over the government... that's a part of their culture and has been for centuries.  Furthermore, you are talking about a complete shift in the balance of power... not just the Magisters being overthrown, but the Altus and Laetans, as well as a restructuring of the Circles and Chantry... would that even be Tevinter anymore after so many changes?  How can you speculate on the culture of a nation that would pretty much be built from scratch?  There's no way to tell what that would look like...

 

Are you referring to something besides blood magic and slavery?  Those are really the only abusive practices I can think of...

[MisterJB]

Blood sacrifice might see a sharp decline, but I doubt the Tevinters would stop practicing slavery just because non-mages took over the government... that's a part of their culture and has been for centuries.  Furthermore, you are talking about a complete shift in the balance of power... not just the Magisters being overthrown, but the Altus and Laetans, as well as a restructuring of the Circles and Chantry... would that even be Tevinter anymore after so many changes?  How can you speculate on the culture of a nation that would pretty much be built from scratch?  There's no way to tell what that would look like...

 

Are you referring to something besides blood magic and slavery?  Those are really the only abusive practices I can think of...

It wouldn't be the first time Tevinter underwent radical changes. While a Circle system that copied Orlais would be ideal, the period of Transfiguration, non-mages became the Highest ranking clerics, had seats reserved for them in the senate and slavery was greatly diminished and tevinter was still Tevinter. It was the Altus who survived that led to what Tevinter is today by making the economy nearly entirely reliant upon the slave trade as well as forbidding non-mages from assuming any position of authority. Neither remake a country from scratch, they relied upon existing infrastructure and either added or removed parties.

 

Ultimately, so long as the notion that a mage is worth more than a mundane exists while mages hold 100% of political power within Tevinter, abuses will be common.

[Icy Magebane]

It wouldn't be the first time Tevinter underwent radical changes. While a Circle system that copied Orlais would be ideal, the period of Transfiguration, non-mages became the Highest ranking clerics, had seats reserved for them in the senate and slavery was greatly diminished and tevinter was still Tevinter. It was the Altus who survived that led to what Tevinter is today by making the economy nearly entirely reliant upon the slave trade as well as forbidding non-mages from assuming any position of authority. Neither remake a country from scratch, they relied upon existing infrastructure and either added or removed parties.

 

Ultimately, so long as the notion that a mage is worth more than a mundane exists while mages hold 100% of political power within Tevinter, abuses will be common.

Ideally a democracy should be formed in every nation, since that would give all citizens an equal chance at proving their ability, determining their laws, and generally getting the most out of life... but when analyzing a work of fiction, idealism can only go so far.  We're talking about feudal societies that haven't even come close to the concept of civil rights or equality... the only one that even attempts to view all of its citizens as equals is the Qunari, but they are hardly an ideal civilization for a number of reasons... 

 

Aside from Orzammar, every nation in Thedas is ruled by humans, and those humans give preferential treatment to other members of their own race.  Every one of those nations has laws in place that put humans above other races, and often strip non-humans of legal standing.  The severity of these laws differs from region to region, but they are always present to some extent (aside from Rivain perhaps, but we know little about them)...  There is no difference between these practices and what goes on in Tevinter... it's just that in the case of Tevinter, one group of humans is practicing discrimination against another, with a few random elves thrown in on both sides.  I'm not really sure why you consider this to be so much worse... I think that systematic oppression is wrong no matter who is practicing it.  IMO there is no reason to single out Tevinter when every nation is like this.  Again, the fact that mages are the ones in charge does not make these crimes any more severe.

[The Elder King]

Invariably it always comes back to the question of whose team your on. Like mages? Tevinter has many positives. Don't like mages? Tevinter is almost irredeemably evil.

A lot of people who like or support Mages dislike tevinter.

[lordsaren101]

People should strive to be more like their betters. Clearly Tevinter is a higher society. The rest of thedas as green with envy and fear.

[MattH]

Despite facing Andraste herself, Minrathous has never fallen. It has to be the place I am most looking forward to in future games.

I'd love to see Minrathous in DA4. I was hoping we'd see Tevinter in DAI but the Inquisitor looks to have enough on their plate without getting involved with Tevinter.

 

While I don't approve of a lot of what they do there, I really want to see what its all about.

[RobRam10]

OMFG YES! we can have Venatori gear!
[Tevinter Intesifies]

[raging_monkey]

Im in love....guess leacks arent so bad

[Icy Magebane]

Cassandra looks kind of short in that screenshot...

 

Also, the Venatori cowl looked kind of strange in the Redcliffe demo, so I won't be equipping one on my mage, but it's a nice touch.

[Loyal Tevinter]

Yay!

[Tevinter Rose]

OMFG YES! we can have Venatori gear!
[Tevinter Intesifies]

 

I'm definitely giving my mage Venatori gear, can't wait to see the rest of the armor. Pretty cool that the iconic helmet in the trailers and such is Venatori too.

[Magister Caedus]

Cassandra looks kind of short in that screenshot...

I think it's a combination of the helm making her head look larger, and the lack of heavy armour making her body look smaller.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm definitely giving my mage Venatori gear, can't wait to see the rest of the armor. Pretty cool that the iconic helmet in the trailers and such is Venatori too.

What makes you think the iconic helm is Venatori? 

[Icy Magebane]

I think it's a combination of the helm making her head look larger, and the lack of heavy armour making her body look smaller.

Yeah, but there is an image of the whole team standing together and she and Solas are the same height... it's got me a bit worried tbh. 

[Magister Caedus]

If I recall, human women were only slightly taller than elven men in DA:O. Maybe she just has a unique model making her a little shorter?

 

On the topic of the Venatori Helmet, I wonder if its the cowl like Alexius wears or the two-pronged helmet we've seen a few times.

 

Edit: Can we be certain it's not just a named crafted item? Someone got excited over the "Knight-Enchanter Sword" or some such that they showed, but it was confirmed to have been a crafted item.

[Icy Magebane]

If I recall, human women were only slightly taller than elven men in DA:O. Maybe she just has a unique model making her a little shorter?

 

On the topic of the Venatori Helmet, I wonder if its the cowl like Alexius wears or the two-pronged helmet we've seen a few times.

 

Edit: Can we be certain it's not just a named crafted item? Someone got excited over the "Knight-Enchanter Sword" or some such that they showed, but it was confirmed to have been a crafted item.

Nah, human women were noticeably taller than elven men in DA:O, but w/e, I'll llive.  xD

 

Anyway, you are right about the KE Greatsword, but I saw in a different thread a picture of the Inquisitor wearing honest to goodness Templar armor... so it's possible that Venatori faction armor is also available.  It would probably annoy Dorian to no end though, so I don't know if it's such a good idea to wear it...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, but there is an image of the whole team standing together and she and Solas are the same height... it's got me a bit worried tbh. 

Actually, I was told that those images were not really accurate due to how the table is shaped. Some characters are a lot closer to the camera than others. 

[Tevinter Rose]

What makes you think the iconic helm is Venatori? 

 

It says Venatori Helmet. It could just be named that way but it does have a dragon on it, which is a part of the Venatori Heraldry I believe. I could be wrong, but it's just my guess

[Tevinter Rose]

Nah, human women were noticeably taller than elven men in DA:O, but w/e, I'll llive.  xD

 

Anyway, you are right about the KE Greatsword, but I saw in a different thread a picture of the Inquisitor wearing honest to goodness Templar armor... so it's possible that Venatori faction armor is also available.  It would probably annoy Dorian to no end though, so I don't know if it's such a good idea to wear it...

 

Dorian disapproves -50 lol

[Icy Magebane]

It says Venatori Helmet. It could just be named that way but it does have a dragon on it, which is a part of the Venatori Heraldry I believe. I could be wrong, but it's just my guess

I think you have that mixed up with "Helm of the Inquisitor."  That's the one pictured... I think...

 

Dorian disapproves -50 lol

lol 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It says Venatori Helmet. It could just be named that way but it does have a dragon on it, which is a part of the Venatori Heraldry I believe. I could be wrong, but it's just my guess

She is wearing 'Helm of the Inquisitor' in that shot. 

Nevarra, her homeland, is also big on dragons. I mean she comes from a family of dragon slayers. 

[Tevinter Rose]

I think you have that mixed up with "Helm of the Inquisitor."  That's the one pictured... I think...

 

Hmmph i guess I do 

[Tevinter Soldier]

OMFG YES! we can have Venatori gear!
[Tevinter Intesifies]

Well I know what gear I'm putting on that traitorous leach with the moustache.