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[raging_monkey]

fog warriors > any mage

fog warriors>any qunari

[KainD]

fog warriors > any mage

 

Pls.. 

[Geth Supremacy]

not even going to dignify that smut with a response.

[raging_monkey]

not even going to dignify that smut with a response.

*passes smutty 8page brochere* uh see next week when we open for bussiness

[The Baconer]

And why is that?

 

Because I feel it's a little more accurate than saying "the more powerful the mage". More powerful mages are able to create stronger magical forces, which is what the Templars have to counter in the first place. Of course, just because a mage is powerful, we can't necessarily just assume whatever they cast is going to bypass Templar powers. The willpower of the Templar is also another factor to consider.

 

 

And what does that rely on? 

 

Examples of mage/templar conflict that Player characters or party members did not participate in.

 

 

fog warriors > any mage

 

Funnily enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they use mages themselves to some extent. One of my favorite character concepts is a Fog Warrior shaman who uses magic to augment their prowess in martial arts.

 

It's basically Thedosian Akuma.

[Br3admax]

Can we agree that the more powerful the mage the harder it is to cancel it out, and templars fail? 

Nope, because that's not how Templar powers work. 

 

 

Also do you know what antimagic does? 

It pushes out all the room for magic, and thus the magic cannot happen. That simple. 

[raging_monkey]

Because I feel it's a little more accurate than saying "the more powerful the mage". More powerful mages are able to create stronger magical forces, which is what the Templars have to counter in the first place. Of course, just because a mage is powerful, we can't necessarily just assume whatever they cast is going to bypass Templar powers. The willpower of the Templar is also another factor to consider.
 
 

 
Examples of mage/templar conflict that Player characters or party members did not participate in.
 
 

 
Funnily enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they use mages themselves to some extent. One of my favorite character concepts is a Fog Warrior shaman who uses magic to augment their prowess in martial arts.
 
It's basically Thedosian Akuma.

bull mentions they dont fight with magi(apparently) but rely on some "alchemic" fog... im assuming its a lot of elfroot

[KainD]

The willpower of the Templar is also another factor to consider.

 

There we go, see this is the main problem. Willpower is a spiritual thing and that is tied to the fade, peoples dreams and hopes and strong emotions, which willpower also represents, those things play a role in the fade. 

I also asked if you know how anti-magic works? Because how it works is, a mage concentrates and sends the energies of the spell they want to dispel back into the fade. How would that be different from what the templars are doing? 

[KainD]

Nope, because that's not how Templar powers work. 

It pushes out all the room for magic, and thus the magic cannot happen. That simple. 

 

No that's not how anti-magic works, because there is a very clear description of how anti-magic school of MAGIC works. 

[KainD]

bull mentions they dont fight with magi(apparently) but rely on some "alchemic" fog... im assuming its a lot of elfroot

 

They just be smokin that lyriumwee.  

[Br3admax]

There we go, see this is the main problem. Willpower is a spiritual thing and that is tied to the fade, peoples dreams and hopes and strong emotions, which willpower also represents, those things play a role in the fade. 

No it really doesn't. Willpower may be how mages channel magic, but Willpower has nothing to do with the Fade.

 

 

I also asked if you know how anti-magic works? Because how it works is, a mage concentrates and sends the energies of the spell they want to dispel back into the fade. How would that be different from what the templars are doing? 

It pushes out magic until their is room for nothing else. They don't send the energies back to the Fade. They reject the Fade entirely. There is no room for magic. 

 

No that's not how anti-magic works, because there is a very clear description of how anti-magic school of MAGIC works. 

 

Except in game sources say it's not. Dispelling a spell is sending the energy back to the Fade. Templars reject that magic is even there. It's completely different. 

[The Baconer]

bull mentions they dont fight with magi(apparently) but rely on some "alchemic" fog... im assuming its a lot of elfroot

 

Bull says he didn't see any mages and thus assumes it is an alchemical fog. Of course, my character concept doesn't actually rely on the shaman being the source of the fog itself. It's just a mage with a different cultural flavor.

[KainD]

No it really doesn't. Willpower may be how mages channel magic, but Willpower has nothing to do with the Fade.

It pushes out magic until their is room for nothing else. They don't send the energies back to the Fade. They reject the Fade entirely. There is no room for magic. 

 

Mages do not reject the fade, but they do anti-magic. 

Tranquil people have no willpower. 

[raging_monkey]

Templar magic... ugh forcing nature to bend to its kneel... the breach shouldve stayed and the veil destroyed

[The Baconer]

Mages do not reject the fade, but they do anti-magic. 

 

I think it's very possible that the magical-disruption that mages can use, and the kind that the Templars use, is different in function. In fact, with the way Solas describes Templar anti-magic I'm very confident that this is the case.

[KainD]

Except in game sources say it's not. Dispelling a spell is sending the energy back to the Fade. Templars reject that magic is even there. It's completely different. 

 

The difference between dispel and anti-magic ward ( which both spells mages can use ), and anti-magic ward is basically the same thing the templars do. 

But anyway, the difference is - thy dispel something that already took  effect, and anti-magic ward dispels as the spell is being cast prematurely. 

[raging_monkey]

They just be smokin that lyriumwee.

that the good stuff temps need a good "relaxer" right,

Bull says he didn't see any mages and thus assumes it is an alchemical fog. Of course, my character concept doesn't actually rely on the shaman being the source of the fog itself. It's just a mage with a different cultural flavor.

love hedge mages so awsome

[KainD]

I think it's very possible that the magical-disruption that mages can use, and the kind that the Templars use, is different in function. In fact, with the way Solas describes Templar anti-magic I'm very confident that this is the case.

 

Alright.. let's say templars block magic differently. Then:

1) Why does lyrium, the same substance that is used for magic, is used by the templars to nulify magic? 

2) How the hell are seekers supposed to watch over templars, if templars can shut them down? Seeing how seekers get their powers from the fade. 

[KainD]

love hedge mages so awsome

 

Every talented mage has a hedge side. 

[Lady Artifice]

Bull says he didn't see any mages and thus assumes it is an alchemical fog. Of course, my character concept doesn't actually rely on the shaman being the source of the fog itself. It's just a mage with a different cultural flavor.

 

Seeing something more of Fog warriors would be really cool. 

 

Are you writing this concept into a fic? 

[The Baconer]

Alright.. let's say templars block magic differently. Then:

1) Why does lyrium, the same substance that is used for magic, is used by the templars to nulify magic?

 

We do not know yet, at least not exactly.

 

 

2) How the hell are seekers supposed to watch over templars, if templars can shut them down? Seeing how seekers get their powers from the fade. 

 

Well, since Templar powers are drawn from Lyrium, the abilities that the Seekers can use to bring them to heel essentially burns away their power source.

[raging_monkey]

Every talented mage has a hedge side.

just need to turn the lights out lol

[KainD]

Well, since Templar powers are drawn from Lyrium, the abilities that the Seekers can use to bring them to heel essentially burns away their power source.

 

Problem is - Then so can mages.. 

[The Baconer]

Seeing something more of Fog warriors would be really cool. 

 

Are you writing this concept into a fic? 

 

I hadn't considered it, but maybe I should.

[The Baconer]

Problem is - Then so can mages.. 

 

Not necessarily. We have never seen a mage able to affect Lyrium in such a manner.

 

I could very well be possible, but either way it seems no one has formulated (or re-discovered) such a spell.