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The Tevinter Imperium support thread- "Tevinter is coming"


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#701
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No it does not refer to entire Altus class. Only the magisters, unless you want to blame every single nation in history for mistakes of their leaders.


Well, some people here, Regsrdless of who They support, blame whole countries/organizations for what their leaders did...

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All female gang was added in future patches and it was joke because as you said max level was not possible ever after that. There are some stuff that affects it though, you can buy maker's breath potion which increase level by one on everyone ( can have 4 in total I think), also uploading a save with certain choices added extra quests which mean extra exp. With everything done you'd reach 48 or 49 I think.

 

Maker's Breath was the respec potion.



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No it does not refer to entire Altus class. Only the magisters, unless you want to blame every single nation in history for mistake of their leaders.

 

The Altus are the ruling class of Tevinter, their power is invariably tied to the Magisters and vice versa. I'm not blaming the entire nation, just those that tended to form the leadership of said nation and/or we absolutely vested in that leadership. Even Tevinter blamed the Altus for the Blights and killed a bunch of them before they reasserted political control.



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Oh definitely, but even Tevinter maintains an official ban on blood magic, because even they know on some level that letting get out of hand is almost an invariably bad idea.

 

I appreciate Tevinter for what it is, its just funny seeing some people take objection to one facet of Tevinter, slavery, while simultaneously lauding another with out seemingly realizing that what they are lauding is potentially so much worse than mere slavery on its own. 

I think the problem is that Tevinter is the only place where a mage can breath relatively easy... it's true that even mages are at risk of being enslaved, and the chance of becoming a magister is slim at best, but it's still going to sound better to most mages than being apostates in the White Chantry lands or living in one of the more abusive Circles.  While the majority of Circles aren't that bad, some people want to be completely free no matter what.  They do not care if they are at risk of becoming abominations and do not care if they become an abomination and wind up killing innocent bystanders.  Tevinter is going to appeal to that desire for freedom, even though there is no guarantee what will happen once you cross that border... Tevinter is a fine place for Tevinter citizens, not outsiders with no lineage to stand on.  Still, it's human nature to believe that we will be the exception to the rule, so that may or may not be a factor when people estimate their chances of surviving and living well in Tevinter.


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Maker's Breath was the respec potion.

 

I think that was Maker's Sigh.



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I think that was Maker's Sigh.

 

Yeah, that's what it was. Maker's breath is the Thedosian expression for "Oh lordy"


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I think the problem is that Tevinter is the only place where a mage can breath relatively easy... it's true that even mages are at risk of being enslaved, and the chance of becoming a magister is slim at best, but it's still going to sound better to most mages than being apostates in the White Chantry lands or living in one of the more abusive Circles.  While the majority of Circles aren't that bad, some people want to be completely free no matter what.  They do not care if they are at risk of becoming abominations and do not care if they become an abomination and wind up killing innocent bystanders.  Tevinter is going to appeal to that desire for freedom, even though there is no guarantee what will happen once you cross that border... Tevinter is a fine place for Tevinter citizens, not outsiders with no lineage to stand on.  Still, it's human nature to believe that we will be the exception to the rule, so that may or may not be a factor when people estimate their chances of surviving and living well in Tevinter.

 

Its funny because those are the type of people I associate the most with Jowan. Desperate for freedom at any cost and blind to anything else, if there was reliable profiling they'd likely be the ones flagged for extra surveillance or tranquility as their complete lack of perspective would make them the most dangerous.

 

Heck if I was a magister in the Imperium I wouldn't even want them given they're almost certainly guaranteed to be nothing but headaches down the road and abomination factories. 



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Its funny because those are the type of people I associate the most with Jowan. Desperate for freedom at any cost and blind to anything else, if there was reliable profiling they'd likely be the ones flagged for extra surveillance or tranquility as their complete lack of perspective would make them the most dangerous.

 

Heck if I was a magister in the Imperium I wouldn't even want them given they're almost certainly guaranteed to be nothing but headaches down the road and abomination factories. 

lol... yeah, I'm sure that there are people on the borders just waiting to collar naive mages who are looking for a better life.  If you manage to survive and not get captured, you are one step closer to proving your worth I guess... xD

 

That does remind me that there is little information about abominations in Tevinter... you'd think they would be more common, but we don't really know for sure.  At least, I haven't heard anything like that... also, has a Tevinter Circle ever been annulled?  These questions will gnaw at my mind until I see the place first hand... I mean, just because we'd be playing as Tevinters doesn't mean we can't roleplay as upstanding, unshakably moral heroes...  It would be like any other DA game, just with less mud and mabari hounds...



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Aren't they the inhabitants of the Donarks or something? I don't think they are mentioned in WoT.

 

Pretty sure it was mentioned in WOT, But i could be misremembering, i haven't read it in a few weeks.



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lol... yeah, I'm sure that there are people on the borders just waiting to collar naive mages who are looking for a better life.  If you manage to survive and not get captured, you are one step closer to proving your worth I guess... xD

 

That does remind me that there is little information about abominations in Tevinter... you'd think they would be more common, but we don't really know for sure.  At least, I haven't heard anything like that... also, has a Tevinter Circle ever been annulled?  These questions will gnaw at my mind until I see the place first hand... I mean, just because we'd be playing as Tevinters doesn't mean we can't roleplay as upstanding, unshakably moral heroes...  It would be like any other DA game, just with less mud and mabari hounds...

 

 

I'm guessing abominations happen in Tevinter like anywhere else. Except Tevinter is much better at dealing with them and weeding out those mages more likely to succumb.

 

Kind of like a reverse Rivain where instead of abominations being viewed as natural phenomenon they are viewed as gross errors to be corrected with extreme haste and prejudice. Perhaps even more so than in White Andrastian countries. Given that abominations present a crack in the Magister's facade of absolute power. Where as in other countries they at least serve as examples and warnings of the danger mages pose. 


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I'm guessing abominations happen in Tevinter like anywhere else. Except Tevinter is much better at dealing with them and weeding out those mages more likely to succumb.

 

Kind of like a reverse Rivain where instead of abominations being viewed as natural phenomenon they are viewed as gross errors to be corrected with extreme haste and prejudice. Perhaps even more so than in White Andrastian countries. Given that abominations present a crack in the Magister's facade of absolute power. Where as in other countries they at least serve as examples and warnings of the danger mages pose. 

 

They have few Templars and even fewer have Lyrium abilities, so how do they deal with them "swiftly"?. We don't know much to claim that, if anything they could really teach their new mages how to dominate demons. A strong willed mage can wash the floor with a demon rather than getting possessed by it.



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They have few Templars and even fewer have Lyrium abilities, so how do they deal with them "swiftly"?. We don't know much to claim that, if anything they could really teach their new mages how to dominate demons. A strong willed mage can wash the floor with a demon rather than getting possessed by it.

 

You don't need templars to kill abominations. So I fail to see how your post has any bearing on whether or not Tevinter deals with abominations swiftly. Last I recall, my Warden didn't need to be a templar to kill everything moved in the Broken Circle. 



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You don't need templars to kill abominations. So I fail to see how your post has any bearing on whether or not Tevinter deals with abominations swiftly. Last I recall, my Warden didn't need to be a templar to kill everything moved in the Broken Circle. 

 

No, but having their magic-canceling abilities certainly help, and whether we like it or not, they are trained to deal with magic.  Most mages don't study ways to interfere with each other's spell-casting, as far as I know.  And I'm assuming that abominations are actually harder to deal with than our experiences in the games suggest.  We are playing as exceptional individuals, after all.

 

And the only thing I'll say about the Tevinter Imperium is that it serves as a good buffer state between Qunari-controlled Par Vollen and the rest of Thedas.  If there's only one good thought to think about them, it's that.



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Pretty sure it was mentioned in WOT, But i could be misremembering, i haven't read it in a few weeks.

 

The word is not mentioned in the glossary, they aren't mentioned in the pages on the human nations of Thedas, they aren't mentioned in the paragraphs in the Grey Wardens section that talk about the origin of the Wardens. They aren't mentioned in the section on the history of the Blights. I'm not sure where else in the book they would be.



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No, but having their magic-canceling abilities certainly help, and whether we like it or not, they are trained to deal with magic.  Most mages don't study ways to interfere with each other's spell-casting, as far as I know.  And I'm assuming that abominations are actually harder to deal with than our experiences in the games suggest.  We are playing as exceptional individuals, after all.

 

And the only thing I'll say about the Tevinter Imperium is that it serves as a good buffer state between Qunari-controlled Par Vollen and the rest of Thedas.  If there's only one good thought to think about them, it's that.

I go by the assumption that the anti-magic spells in DA:O are common knowledge, but I could be wrong about that... at the very least, the knowledge is available to be learned by any mage... I would assume this would come in handy in Tevinter.  Even if your opponent knows a great deal of blood magic, being able to hamper their access to mana or shield yourself from the effects of magic would come in handy in a number of situations.



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No, but having their magic-canceling abilities certainly help, and whether we like it or not, they are trained to deal with magic.

 

I don't dispute that. I was disputing the point that you needed templars to deal with abominations. A big reason Templars exist as they currently do is because the Chantry doesn't trust mages to police themselves. Not because they are super-duper demon killing experts. Tevinter on the other hand does not have the same qualms with regards to mages policing themselves and on top of that probably have more demonic and magical lore than any other country in Thedas. 

 

I have no doubt believing Tevinter circles are perfectly capable of dealing with abominations that pop up in a perfectly adequate manner. 

 

Most mages don't study ways to interfere with each other's spell-casting, as far as I know. 

 

Take another look at the DAO spirit branch then :)



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Well, tevinter Circles still have templars, which can be used against demons, abominations, and to annull a circle. The main differences with a white Chantry Circle are that templars don't use lyrium, and mages (magisters) are in charge.

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Well, tevinter Circles still have templars, which can be used against demons, abominations, and to annull a circle. The main differences with a white Chantry Circle are that templars don't use lyrium, and mages (magisters) are in charge.

Wait... Tevinter Templars are just knights with no special abilities?  If so, then wouldn't the mages there have to know anti-magic spells to take the place of legitimate Templars?



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Wait... Tevinter Templars are just knights with no special abilities?  If so, then wouldn't the mages there have to know anti-magic spells to take the place of legitimate Templars?


Don't know. Templars are still used to Annull circles, to They probably deal with demons and abominations as well.

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Wait... Tevinter Templars are just knights with no special abilities?  If so, then wouldn't the mages there have to know anti-magic spells to take the place of legitimate Templars?

 

Yes.



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Don't know. Templars are still used to Annull circles, to They probably deal with demons and abominations as well.

Wow... I bet only the poorest people and maybe ex-convicts sign up for that... Tevinter Templar sounds like a lousy job...



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Wow... I bet only the poorest people and maybe ex-convicts sign up for that... Tevinter Templar sounds like a lousy job...


I'm Not sure. Templars in tevinter might have other tools to deal with magic. Maybe runes and Enchanted weapons ans armours.

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Lyrium!



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Well... I guess the people in charge probably wouldn't want to finance lyrium specifically for use by the Templars.  It would be a lot more cost effective to simply teach anti-magic spells to Circle mages... it's pretty much the same thing, anyway.  The military probably needs most of the lyrium supply for the ongoing war against the Qunari.



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According to the dragon age wiki, the majority of Imperial templars lack the ability to counter magic. They are primarily soldiers.