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[Emperor Iaius I]

Well, fine, if we want implausible "cool" events then I want an archdemon mount.

[The Baconer]

Who said anything about a slave revolt?

I just like the premise of the event.

 

Thus: "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?? DOES THIS REMIND YOU GUYS OF ANYTHING??"

[raging_monkey]

i kinda want a sith sorcer/warrior like story... i know shameful but i liked the classes

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, fine, if we want implausible "cool" events then I want an archdemon mount.

Implausible? Hardly.

Especially since the Archon would be bound by imperial law to accept.

A slave using a boon to challenge the Archon is riveting.

[Master Warder Z_]

Thus: "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?? DOES THIS REMIND YOU GUYS OF ANYTHING??"

Says the guy trying to save face for not knowing the real life inspiration for that very scene.

[The Baconer]

Says the guy trying to save face for not knowing the real life inspiration for that very scene.

 

You're not fooling anyone, especially after trying to make this claim.

[raging_monkey]

Baconer vs z round 70

!fight! Lol

[Master Warder Z_]

You're not fooling anyone, especially after trying to make this claim.

Claim? I listed a premise for a class story arc conclusion and little else.

Your the one who didn't know it's basis.

[Emperor Iaius I]

This is the internet, nobody's impressed by anyone "knowing" anything that can be looked up in an instant.

[Red of Rivia]

This is the internet, nobody's impressed by anyone "knowing" anything that can be looked up in an instant.

I could argue with you about it 

[Master Warder Z_]

This is the internet, nobody's impressed by anyone "knowing" anything that can be looked up in an instant.

Fair enough but honestly only those who actually know a bit about history would even know of the servile wars little lone individual events of them.

And that wasn't demonstrated so I'd ponder this.

Is it worse to not know it when it can be looked up in a instant as you said.

Perhaps the reference was a bit vague but I'm sure there is a Wikipedia article.

[The Baconer]

Claim? I listed a premise for a class story arc conclusion and little else.

 

No, you said that any game set in Tevinter "has" to end with a slave warrior killing the Archon. Also that the Archon would be bound by imperial law, even though that's fanwank.

 

 

Your the one who didn't know it's basis.

 

"It's not a Gladiator parody! It's actually a reference to this obscure, fictitious event that predates the reign of Commodus (who actually participated in gladiatorial bouts) by a couple centuries, but it totally served as the inspiration for the final battle in the film!"

 

Yeah, whatever Z. Pack it up.

[raging_monkey]

Its gettin hot in here time to get real son XD

[Red of Rivia]

An elf slave kill the Archon is the same thing as a Scoia'tael kill the Emperor of Nilfgaard in other proportions, is the same thing as Monkey marry Sera.

[raging_monkey]

An elf slave kill the Archon is the same thing as a Scoia'tael kill the Emperor of Nilfgaard in other proportions, is the same thing as Monkey marry Sera.

im not her thing haha we are just friends

[Master Warder Z_]

No, you said that any game set in Tevinter "has" to end with a slave warrior killing the Archon.

Exactly a premise.

As for the other diatribe.

Gladiator is fiction.

I used a actual historical event.

[Master Warder Z_]

Its gettin hot in here time to get real son XD

Not really.

This isn't even a debate.

This is him nitpicking.

[raging_monkey]

Not really.
This isn't even a debate.
This is him nitpicking.

so no heated debate? Damn the nights ruined lol

[Master Warder Z_]

so no heated debate? Damn the nights ruined lol

Maybe next time it can be a actual debate.

[The Baconer]

I used a actual historical event.

 

A Praetor being killed in single combat within Rome or its immediate vicinity during the Third Servile War? No you didn't.

[Master Warder Z_]

A Praetor being killed in single combat within Rome or its immediate vicinity during the Third Servile War? No you didn't.

Except it happened.

Lucius something or another did die in the battle, he was a praetor and there have been stories about how he died mentioned in a half dozen books on the subject.

That's a exaggeration obviously but there was a praetor fatality on the field.

[Emperor Iaius I]

There's really little certainty that anything in classical antiquity actually happened, given ancient historians' tendency to try to spice up the drama. History was considered a literary endeavor, not a scientific or forensic one and you are as likely to find as much accuracy in an aetiological poem of the Callimachan school. You might consider Thucydides or Polybius the most reliable of ancient historians given their preference for eyewitness history but even they wrote with an agenda in mind (and both were dead before the whole Spartacus business). So unless you want to give the impression that you're unfamiliar with ancient history, I would stay away from absolutes like "it happened" or "there as a praetor fatality on the field." Might as well say that Suetonius Paulinus really did give that badass speech before the Battle of Watling Street.

 

You also want to take up hints left by people you're arguing with, such as Baconer homing in on the part about this incident happening anywhere near Roma -- Spartacus well knew that he had absolutely no chance of taking the city and didn't even so much as make an attempt at it, so it'd be wise to walk back that part lest doubling down on it weaken your credibility further.

Finally you want to be cognizant of the possibility that other people in the thread know more on you about the subject and might be watching with amusement as you criticize someone for not being familiar with minutia. 

[raging_monkey]

Now its getting interesting

[Master Warder Z_]

Finally you want to be cognizant of the possibility that other people in the thread know more on you about the subject and might be watching with amusement as you criticize someone for not being familiar with minutia.

I have little doubt there are those who know more then I on a self studied subject like history.

And note I only pointed out that Baconer was unfamiliar with the event in question when it was ridiculed by comparison to a Russell Crowe movie.

Further more if you know of this campaign in particular you know that the slave army's path until it was routed was moving through the Roman heartland, it actually sacked many towns according to accounts and thus that prompted military intervention which led to that historical upset when they defeated a Roman legion or four.

So did it reach Rome? There's contemporary evidence for either side of that argument.

[Master Warder Z_]

But you did raise a valid point on the accuracy of surviving historical accounts.

Ironically enough? I did a similar argument against JB on Caligula citing there only six or so surviving accounts each with their own biases and all written centuries after the Emperor's death.