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[raging_monkey]

From a cultural standpoint(black american) so i have a natrual aversion to the very concept. But i do understand the "idea" of slavery thats in tevinter as its by some defination of indentured servitude so im not as iffy bought it since its "consenting"

[Cespar]

From a cultural standpoint(black american) so i have a natrual aversion to the very concept. But i do understand the "idea" of slavery thats in tevinter as its by some defination of indentured servitude so im not as iffy bought it since its "consenting"

I'm also black, so I know why that concept could be a little extreme for us. I just want to see it with my own eyes, but I got a little glimpse of it in Origins. I really didn't like that they was locked up in the cage, but I really don't like letting the dark and gritty of the game affecting me so much. Especially looking at movies like Django or any old time movies.

 

I'll take Tevinter at what it is, and not how it reflects back into my own life. I would strongly appreciate the return of the dark and gritty from Origins. 

[raging_monkey]

I'm also black, so I know why that concept could be a little extreme for us. I just want to see it with my own eyes, but I got a little glimpse of it in Origins. I really didn't like that they was locked up in the cage, but I really don't like letting the dark and gritty of the game affecting me so much. Especially looking at movies like Django or any old time movies.

I'll take Tevinter at what it is, and not how it reflects back into my own life. I would strongly appreciate the return of the dark and gritty from Origins.

i feel the same i do miss the "darker" elements of origins i found it tasteful but still got its point across

[Cespar]

i feel the same i do miss the "darker" elements of origins i found it tasteful but still got its point across

Let's hope that the North/Next game will offer up more dark and gritty things than Inquisition did. 

 

OT: How did you feel about the dark skin tone in Inquisition?

[raging_monkey]

We better qun took a big hit least they can do is give us a grittier setting not GOT status but gritty

Its better barris looks black as does viv but the inq does feel somewhat black-faced still but its getting better

[Uccio]

If the DA cleanup doesn´t change it´s course we might end up with sanitized version of both Tevinter and Qun. Such a shame though.


*story continues*

Spoiler

*Full moon shined in the small flowery meadow in the forest. A hint of mist floated above the ground giving the place a eerie feeling. After a long day of trekking they had camped by the meadow for that night, it seemed to be the safest place.

Ukki stood there by the small flickering fire with his arms extended out, eyes closed. Energies twirled around him in an enticing dance, with colors ranging through the whole spectrum of the rainbow and beyond, finding new shapes and forms one would not have dreamed of in its almost live movement. The power flowed like water filling him with almost ecstatic feeling closing most of the world outside.
"That is so beautiful, I can see it all" Nazlik´s voice sounded a bit muffled in his ears as she gasped in the sight of this display of magic. He opened his eyes looking at her, and with a smile the magical bubble around him expanded closing her inside the sphere too. She watched as the power flew around and through her in its peculiar movement, it had almost hypnotic effect on her, as she tried to reach for the energies twirling around her. There was a faint whisper in her ears as the power seemed to notice her presence. "I can hear something!" she whispered with a thrilled voice.

Ukki stepped forward and took her in his arms. "If you can hear it then you must have latent magical abilities in your blood. We must look into it when we get back home. For me, all my life my power has come so easily to me. There was never any effort in grasping the magical energies around me. When I went to the Circle at a young age I had a hard time to understand my fellow students having problems with magic. I just could not understand why some of them had to struggle with it so much. My tutors noticed it already at my young age. Some were even envious of my power, how strange that might sound. They just understood my potential".

He started a slow dance with her while his magical energies twirled around them. "That is why I have never used armor. I have been so confident in my power. My power is my armor. There is no match for it, I have not found anyone stronger than myself. There are only hand full of people who can rival me, or even come close",

For a moment they twirled slowly in silence around the small flowery meadow as the moon shed its pale light on them.

"A perfect specimen of the imperial breeding", he said with a bitter undertone, "a millenia long age of careful breeding with one goal in mind, the perfect Magister".
"It is strange, as much as I hated my father for what he did I have always been proud of my heritage. But I guess that does not necessarily have to include him". He sighted, "despite his best efforts my daughters are not nearly as powerful as I am in the art of magic. I guess there is strange kind of justice in that".
Nazlik smiled softly, "What ever he did, there is one good conclusion. It brought us together".

"You are right" he smiled in his thoughts, "as much I want to forget things of the past I would not want to think of what would have been without you. And here we are" he whispered eyeing her closely.

They stopped dancing as he reached up to give her a kiss. With the kiss his power expanded in all directions around them whirling wildly under the moonlight.

Suddenly a loud crack echoed in the clearing breaking their tender moment. A rotting bony arm reached up from the ground not far from them, it was followed by a grinning skull with dirt and worms peeking out of its eye sockets, and then another arm with a rusty sword. Almost instantly the same phenomenon repeated itself in several locations around them. More and more skeletal figures were trying to get up from the ground, all of the them looking at Ukki and Nazlik.

"Venhedis!" he cursed stepping in front of her. "Stay back, I will take care of them".
"Look!" Nazlik yelled pointing at the other end of the meadow. There, from a barely visible small mound something bigger tried to claw its way out. Stones, soil and grass flew all around as a dark armored figure slowly struggled its way out.

"Revenant" Ukki whispered with a grim tone as he saw what was coming, "We need to run". More and more skeletons were clawing their way on the surface. "This must be a old battlefield. There is no telling how many of these things are, best to get out of here now".

Nazlik turned swiftly and sliced heads off from two skeletons who were already closing in on them. With a quick sprint they ran to the fire and grabbed what food and water they had, then headed for the forest trail. Before they reached the edge of the forest dozens of skeletons had pulled themselves from the ground and were coming at them with haste. With a well placed power sweeps he cleared the way for them sending shattered bones flying in the air. Nazlik followed him close by with her sabres ready.
Suddenly he felt a strong tug, a cold power tried to tie itself around him stopping him where he stood. And then it started to pull him with a tremendous strength.

Ukki struggle against the force with increasing haste, as skeletons were closing in fast and he could not move. It was the Revenant. Despite its best efforts it was not able to pull him close. While he struggled Nazlik had run few steps ahead but then turned around as she noticed him not being there. "Come on!" she screamed, "we have to go now!"

He was not able to respond, it took his whole concentration to fight the Revenants power. It stood at the center of the meadow with its arm stretched out to him. They were locked in a stalemate as their powers flowed back and forth without either one getting the upper hand.
Ukki struggled with sweat beads on his forehead, this was not going well. Revenant sensed his concern and doubled its effort. With a grunt Ukki reached deeper into the fade channeling more and more power against the monster. The cold chillness of the Revenants power slowly crept into his bones. Time was running out.

Suddenly he felt Nazlik grabbing his arm, "what is it, are you stuck?". She looked at him concerned and then gazed at the Revenant. With a flash she realized what was going on. "You need to get out of here" he hissed between his clenched teeth, "there is no time left". "No! I will not leave you" she screamed.
For a split second a warm smile lingered on his lips, then he reached out and placed his hand on her forehead. With a demanding tone he whispered,"Run, I will find you".
"No.." she protested, but what ever she was going to say was cut short. With dazed eyes she suddenly turned around and started running. For a brief moment he looked after her and then at the small bloody cut on his pawn. "I´m sorry my love". Then he turned to face the Revenant.*

[TevinterSupremacist]

To be continued...

 

Any critiques on this folks?

Wait a second....that face...and that username...you seem oddly familiar...

 

O.O

 

Dear lord, it's Clark Kent with his glasses off!

[Red of Rivia]

I'm also black, so I know why that concept could be a little extreme for us. I just want to see it with my own eyes, but I got a little glimpse of it in Origins. I really didn't like that they was locked up in the cage, but I really don't like letting the dark and gritty of the game affecting me so much. Especially looking at movies like Django or any old time movies.

 

I'll take Tevinter at what it is, and not how it reflects back into my own life. I would strongly appreciate the return of the dark and gritty from Origins. 

Interesting. I think the fact that you are American( I suppose) has a greater impact. Where I currently live also had a violent slavery and we learn about it on the school, is part of history of the country. It will be interesting to see how this weill be handled,if the slaves actually accept their position or not, if the owners of slaves mingle with them or not. I'm anxious to see if the reports are true or not, maybe it's just isolated cases and do not have a verdict.

[Uccio]

From a cultural standpoint(black american) so i have a natrual aversion to the very concept. But i do understand the "idea" of slavery thats in tevinter as its by some defination of indentured servitude so im not as iffy bought it since its "consenting"

 

I loved the DAO alienage and dwarf castless origins for the specific reason them being the close equalent of slave. Especially the dwarven beginning where you run around talking to people and Leske will have to bail you out of you start mouthing at your "betters", it really gives the worthless feeling quite well. As a finn though I also know our history of being second class citizens in our own country for centuries, but I still love to play it in games.

[raging_monkey]

I loved the DAO alienage and dwarf castless origins for the specific reason them being the close equalent of slave. Especially the dwarven beginning where you run around talking to people and Leske will have to bail you out of you start mouthing at your "betters", it really gives the worthless feeling quite well. As a finn though I also know our history of being second class citizens in our own country for centuries, but I still love to play it in games.

oh dont get me wrong i enjoy the similarities completly but just have my issues lol

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I loved the DAO alienage and dwarf castless origins for the specific reason them being the close equalent of slave. Especially the dwarven beginning where you run around talking to people and Leske will have to bail you out of you start mouthing at your "betters", it really gives the worthless feeling quite well. As a finn though I also know our history of being second class citizens in our own country for centuries, but I still love to play it in games.

At least in a video game, even when we played as a lower class of society or something being the close equivalent of slave. We still can mercilessly slaughter our "betters" for treating us like a dirt. I don't live in the U.S., but where I lived slavery used to exist but it was abolished, and we still learn about it in the school. I understand how bad it is when you're being second class citizens or treated like cattle in your own country for centuries. As Red has pointed out, it'll be interesting to see how BioWare handles this, should they give us the position of power when we're in the Imperium.

[Uccio]

In a way the dwarven casteless origin was better than the elven alieanage in that regard. You couldn´t really stand up against the "better people", Leske would bail you out of the sticky situation. Not until the very end and that was "only" against your crime boss. I really liked that since there was this feeling of being hopelessly the underdog. One thing would have been a cool add to it, if you could have decided to fight against guards you would have ended up being overwhelmed by guards in a never ending guard respawn with increasing numbers until your death. If Bio can come up with something similar then -> sold.

[Red of Rivia]

At least in a video game, even when we played as a lower class of society or something being the close equivalent of slave. We still can mercilessly slaughter our "betters" for treating us like a dirt. I don't live in the U.S., but where I lived slavery used to exist but it was abolished, and we still learn about it in the school. I understand how bad it is when you're being second class citizens or treated like cattle in your own country for centuries. As Red has pointed out, it'll be interesting to see how BioWare handles this, should they give us the position of power when we're in the Imperium.

I like this idea of ​​playing with a second-class character, gives you a wider view of the situation. I did not know there was slavery in Thailand, was a long time?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I like this idea of ​​playing with a second-class character, gives you a wider view of the situation. I did not know there was slavery in Thailand, was a long time?

It was a very long time ago, there was slavery in Siam (Thailand) since the ancient time, during Ayutthaya period there were 7 types of slaves. If I remember every detail correctly many slaves are war captives from Burma (Myanmar) and Cambodia or mountain tribes, some are prisoner who couldn't afford to pay for their fine, and when someone help them they have to sell themselves into their servitude temporary. Interesting enough, there are people who's poor and couldn't afford to find a job, they would sell themselves into servitude to save themselves from starvation because the master can take care of them, but most slaves are from the lower class, poor people who sold their family or even themselves when they couldn't afford to pay the debt or feed their own family.

 

It doesn't matter anymore, though, since slavery was abolished in 1905 during King Rama V reign. We still learn about slavery in our history class, and they taught us how bad it was, and tbh people here have a very strong feeling against slavery. 

[Red of Rivia]

It was a very long time ago, there was slavery in Siam (Thailand) since the ancient time, during Ayutthaya period there were 7 types of slaves. If I remember every detail correctly many slaves are war captives from Burma (Myanmar) and Cambodia or mountain tribes, some are prisoner who couldn't afford to pay for their fine, and when someone help them they have to sell themselves into their servitude temporary. Interesting enough, there are people who's poor and couldn't afford to find a job, they would sell themselves into servitude to save themselves from starvation because the master can take care of them, but most slaves are from the lower class, poor people who sold their family or even themselves when they couldn't afford to pay the debt or feed their own family.

 

It doesn't matter anymore, though, since slavery was abolished in 1905 during King Rama V reign. We still learn about slavery in our history class, and they taught us how bad it was, and tbh people here have a very strong feeling against slavery. 

I hope I have not offended you, I do not know if you know, but here in the West we know very little about the east.

[raging_monkey]

It was a very long time ago, there was slavery in Siam (Thailand) since the ancient time, during Ayutthaya period there were 7 types of slaves. If I remember every detail correctly many slaves are war captives from Burma (Myanmar) and Cambodia or mountain tribes, some are prisoner who couldn't afford to pay for their fine, and when someone help them they have to sell themselves into their servitude temporary. Interesting enough, there are people who's poor and couldn't afford to find a job, they would sell themselves into servitude to save themselves from starvation because the master can take care of them, but most slaves are from the lower class, poor people who sold their family or even themselves when they couldn't afford to pay the debt or feed their own family.
 
It doesn't matter anymore, though, since slavery was abolished in 1905 during King Rama V reign. We still learn about slavery in our history class, and they taught us how bad it was, and tbh people here have a very strong feeling against slavery. 

appreciate the history lesson

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I hope I have not offended you, I do not know if you know, but here in the West we know very little about the east.

Offended me? Oh, you haven't, buddy. That was a very long time ago, and slavery is unacceptable in most places nowadays. I was glad that someone asks about this so I can do my best to inform people who's curious about it. I'm just glad that no one saw my country in the bad light. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

appreciate the history lesson

Thank you, I'm glad to be able to inform, although I'm not the best teacher. 

 

Sorry about double post.

[raging_monkey]

Thank you, I'm glad to be able to inform, although I'm not the best teacher. 
 
Sorry about double post.

it was very informatitive

[Red of Rivia]

It has been confirmed if there was slavery in the empire of the dwarves?

[raging_monkey]

It has been confirmed if there was slavery in the empire of the dwarves?

not directly but its caste system from a perspective implies some variant of servatude or subjugation.

[Master Warder Z_]

o.o

 

I thought up a better way i do believe to kill the Archon then a mere public killing in some arena.

 

 

Not as dramatic admittedly as tossing his lifeless corpse to the dirt below and watching the stunned faces of the entire Imperium.

 

But infinitely more enjoyable.

[raging_monkey]

Im told to play saints but... looks boring

[Master Warder Z_]

Im told to play saints but... looks boring

 

Its not for everyone o.o

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Its not for everyone o.o

I think it was getting old since Saints Row IV IMO.