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[Master Warder Z_]

I think it was getting old since Saints Row IV IMO.

 

Pfft

 

 

o.o

[Red of Rivia]

Seems odd

[Master Warder Z_]

Seems odd

 

Its the story of a relentless street gang that eventually takes over the known universe (and a realm of the after life) ._.

 

Of course its odd.

[raging_monkey]

Its the story of a relentless street gang that eventually takes over the known universe (and a realm of the after life) ._.
 
Of course its odd.

id call it 90s cartoon logic lol but long as its fun i guess

[Master Warder Z_]

id call it 90s cartoon logic lol but long as its fun i guess

 

90s cartoon logic...90s cartoon logic is that Leliana can make two thousand years of fear of magic disappear with a word.

 

Saints Row is a story of overcoming impossible odds through the usage of a ridiculous amount of bullets.

[raging_monkey]

90s cartoon logic...90s cartoon logic is that Leliana can make two thousand years of fear of magic disappear with a word.
 
Saints Row is a story of overcoming impossible odds through the usage of a ridiculous amount of bullets.

i count a 1k yrs
Then looney toons logic elmer fud style haha

[Master Warder Z_]

i count a 1k yrs
Then looney toons logic elmer fud style haha

 

o.o

 

Do the ancient people not count or something?

 

Andraste rallied her army for a reason.

[raging_monkey]

o.o
 
Do the ancient people not count or something?
 
Andraste rallied her army for a reason.

im going off WoT timeline did i miscount?

[Master Warder Z_]

im going off WoT timeline did i miscount?

 

Tevinter was invading, conquering and fighting for centuries before Andraste ._.

 

The vile mark of magic existed before the ancient age.

[raging_monkey]

Tevinter was invading, conquering and fighting for centuries before Andraste ._.
 
The vile mark of magic existed before the ancient age.

would call it vile more "liberally explored with minor safeguards" but ah i see your point

[RobRam10]

Tevinter was invading, conquering and fighting for centuries before Andraste ._.

 

The vile mark of magic existed before the ancient age.

When will you learn? Magic is the lifeblood of Thedas and Tevinter the apex of civilization.

[Master Warder Z_]

When will you learn? Magic is the lifeblood of Thedas and Tevinter the apex of civilization.

 

Tevinter stopped being the apex of anything a long time ago; now its trying to cling to life in a world that moved past it a long time ago.

 

Like North Korea.

[The Baconer]

Tevinter stopped being the apex of anything a long time ago; now its trying to cling to life in a world that moved past it a long time ago.

 

Like North Korea.

 

Tevinter is still among the most powerful nations in Thedas, so no, that would be objectively wrong.

[Master Warder Z_]

Tevinter is still among the most powerful nations in Thedas, so no, that would be objectively wrong.

 

Speculative conjecture is ill befitting of something being "objectively" anything.

 

o.o

 

Its military power? Unknown, Projection of power capability? Unknown, Economic status? Unknown, Total population, Unknown, you know all those things you can determine a nation's strength from.

[Steelcan]

Tevinter is probably most comparable to a Byzantium under one of the Kommeni (not Andronikos)

[Master Warder Z_]

Tevinter is probably most comparable to a Byzantium under one of the Kommeni (not Andronikos)

 

The writings on the wall but they aren't reading it?

 

o.o don't get me wrong, they had some good times during the 12th century but it was a dying a slow death even back then.

[Steelcan]

The writings on the wall but they aren't reading it?

 

o.o don't get me wrong, they had some good times during the 12th century but it was a dying a slow death even back then.

They might be reading the writing on the wall, they just haven't accepted it as true, when you are 'heir' to the centuries long legacy of Rome trying to stay afloat can be understood, also not wanting to let the Turks roll over into Europe.

[raging_monkey]

Yay realism and historical comparision. Yay! * continues grinding on diablo 3*

[The Baconer]

Speculative conjecture is ill befitting of something being "objectively" anything.

 

Right, which is exactly what your statement was.

 

We know for a fact that Tevinter is still considered a threat to Orlais by both claimants.

[Master Warder Z_]

We know for a fact that Tevinter is still considered a threat to Orlais by both claimants.

In the way a flood or Fereldan is a threat militarily.

Nothing modern about the Imperiums martial strength is documented, so leaving your assertion aside o.o what are we left with? A declining country held aloft by the slave trade and lyrium? It certainly isn't even what it was four centuries prior little lone twelve.

[The Baconer]

In the way a flood or Fereldan is a threat militarily.

 

No, not in that way.

 

"With the strength of Ferelden behind it willingly, the Orlesian Empire would would have had the power to drive back Nevarran aggression, and even give Tevinter pause"

 

Josephine even considers declaring support for Tevinter better in the long game than pledging to Nevarra. Of course, whether or not that's actually true doesn't matter, but obviously there wouldn't even be a discussion if Tevinter's power and influence was along the tier of North Korea.

[Master Warder Z_]

but obviously there wouldn't even be a discussion if Tevinter's power and influence was along the tier of North Korea.

That's because Markus is ancient and Tevinter isn't in alliance with anyone, Josephine actually explains her context when Ya ask her Ya know.

Not once was it mentioned that it was actually somehow inherently better then Nevarra beyond it's king possibly keeling over.

[The Baconer]

That's because Markus is ancient and Tevinter isn't in alliance with anyone, Josephine actually explains her context when Ya ask her Ya know.

Not once was it mentioned that it was actually somehow inherently better then Nevarra beyond it's king possibly keeling over.

 

Again, if Tevinter's power and influence were along the tier of North Korea, it wouldn't matter, because that would make Nevarra inherently better even considering Markus' state. Otherwise, why even risk the potential controversy of supporting Tevinter, who even has a less convenient location than Nevarra when considering an alliance?

[Master Warder Z_]

Otherwise, why even risk the potential controversy of supporting Tevinter, who even has a less convenient location than Nevarra when considering an alliance?

A legitimate point that's never addressed.

Why would this dying backwater at the ass end of the world warrant possibly pissing off more local neighbors.

[The Baconer]

A legitimate point that's never addressed.

Why would this dying backwater at the ass end of the world warrant possibly pissing off more local neighbors.

 

Probably because it's not a backwater yet.