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[MisterJB]

I find the idea of finding the remaining Old Gods before darkspawn reach them exceedingly important. We should equip several expeditions and put young mages who have shown promising features and are eager to become Magisters in charge of them. Also we need to contact the remaining dwarven cities for maps and information of possible clues from where to start looking. Our dwarven friends are after all experts in the underground exploring.

Since you don't seem to be aware, the Warden Commanders know where they are. It was an Orlesian Warden Commander who went on his calling who told the Architect where Urthemiel was. Read "Dragon Age: The Calling."

[Uccio]

well then, warders need to be squeezed for the information and expeditions sent away immediately.

[The Ascendant]

Sure, all that stands between us and the ancient Dragons is legions of Darkspawn. What's the worst that could happen?

[raging_monkey]

Andraste guide my sword. I can't let these heresies continue. (sorry, I love roleplay )

cant. We just be civilized i have a harem to attend lol (RPING is so awsome i agree

Said dragons hold vaults of knowledge that could help pave the way to victory.
Plus, they're dragons.

But if we can wake them control them we can use them against the Qunari.
 
worship them we should not, but the endeavour is promising!

dragons are a wildcard.. but i will begin researching possible spells

[The Ascendant]

Remember Avexis, the little Elf girl from Dawn of the Seeker, who could control Dragons? We need to either find her or someone else with her powers.

[raging_monkey]

Sure, all that stands between us and the ancient Dragons is legions of Darkspawn. What's the worst that could happen?

death, taint sickness, being violated by the spawn, eaten by spiders, possession by random spirit, being robbed by ghoul in my sleep, and worst of all.... i get dirty

[The Ascendant]

Finding the uncorrupted Old Gods would be awesome, but it highly unlikely that we will find them. 

1) The Grey Wardens are very secretive and would not share this kind of info with anyone. And I imagine only a very select few know where they are.

2) Uncountable number of Darkspawn between us and them.

3) How would we wake them up? Unless we have an individual with Dragon Blood, e.g. Maric or Alistair or a Reaver with equally potent blood, we won't be able to do anything with them.

4) Can't we simply communicate with them in the Fade? According to lore the first Magisters did this with Dumat, if we simply spend alot of time in the Fade, surely we'll come across them right? Provided it is indeed them and not some demon pretending to be them.

[raging_monkey]

Im just wary of dealing with a dragon... i like my skin

[The Ascendant]

Im just wary of dealing with a dragon... i like my skin

Your caution is warranted. Normal Dragons are dangerous on their own, intelligent ones are terrifying. But awesome.

[raging_monkey]

Your caution is warranted. Normal Dragons are dangerous on their own, intelligent ones are terrifying. But awesome.

*smokes pipe* if i am given permission from the archon and sentate i have spell that could in theory control a dragon maybe not a high dragon but a dragon.... ill need a lot of blood

[The Ascendant]

*smokes pipe* if i am given permission from the archon and sentate i have spell that could in theory control a dragon maybe not a high dragon but a dragon.... ill need a lot of blood

Come one. If a little Elf girl could do it, I am sure the most magically powerful nation on Thedas can.

[lordsaren101]

The gods are not mere dragons. They are gods. The avatar they physically embody is draconic in nature.

[Tevinter Soldier]

So your saying..........we need more blood?

[raging_monkey]

Come one. If a little Elf girl could do it, I am sure the most magically powerful nation on Thedas can.

she had a unknown gift that i have no way of replicating but if i had a sponser maybe 6 i should be qble to so it

The gods are not mere dragons. They are gods. The avatar they physically embody is draconic in nature.

these "gods" you claim are merely flukes of nature... highly intelligent animals at best. Its a simple matter of mind control and knowing their pysiology

[lordsaren101]

The heresies spoken in this magisterium about our gods is unthinkable. I will not speak of this more my dear brethern. Clearly you are all to trapped in this Maker driven nonsense to listen to truth. I even heard one of you claim Dumat is dead and lets us be rid of the rest as well!? Heresy! Dumat is eternal and the only thing dead is a corrupted shell. If he so desires he shall form another. The gods roam a realm beyond the fade, beyond our comprehension. We are their chosen people! Our superiority a birthright given by them.

The qunari? Dumat will silence them forever. None but I and a few like minded magisters and disciples have prayed and made offerings. He has responded by granting me knowledge and power. I see him in all his magnificence in my dreams. He does not scream for freedom. He is already free. He watches us cling to the north with an ambivalence fueled by our own fickle nature and our shunning of his grace.

You need but look at the state of the world to see the not so subtle work of the gods. Dumat remains silent as chaos spreads his influence unchecked. Fire and flames burn accross the world. Beauty is gone, replaced with decay, only small traces glimmer in the darkness. Night has fallen upon Thedas, he follows the chaos. Mystery clouds everything. Somehow chains is still with us, he keeps the downtrodden in t heir place. The gods make themselves known every day the signs are as plain as day. We need not repent, but return. The gods are not like the false chantry grovelling and this focus on sin sickens them as it should sicken all of us. Bah! The truth falls on deaf ears.

*Turns pulling his hood inscribed with golden symbols of Dumat over his head, and storms cursing in ancient Tevene from the floor of the magisterium*

(Need more rpers on these forums )

[raging_monkey]

The heresies spoken in this magisterium about our gods is unthinkable. I will not speak of this more my dear brethern. Clearly you are all to trapped in this Maker driven nonsense to listen to truth. I even heard one of you claim Dumat is dead and lets us be rid of the rest as well!? Heresy! Dumat is eternal and the only thing dead is a corrupted shell. If he so desires he shall form another. The gods roam a realm beyond the fade, beyond our comprehension. We are their chosen people! Our superiority a birthright given by them.
The qunari? Dumat will silence them forever. None but I and a few like minded magisters and disciples have prayed and made offerings. He has responded by granting me knowledge and power. I see him in all his magnificence in my dreams. He does not scream for freedom. He is already free. He watches us cling to the north with an ambivalence fueled by our own fickle nature and our shunning of his grace.
You need but look at the state of the world to see the not so subtle work of the gods. Dumat remains silent as chaos spreads his influence unchecked. Fire and flames burn accross the world. Beauty is gone, replaced with decay, only small traces glimmer in the darkness. Night has fallen upon Thedas, he follows the chaos. Mystery clouds everything. The gods make themselves known every day the signs are as plain as day. We need not repent, but return. The gods are not like the false chantry grovelling and this focus on sin sickens them as it should sicken all of us. Bah! The truth falls on deaf ears.
*Turns pulling his hood inscribed with golden symbols of Dumat over his head, and storms cursing in ancient Tevene from the floor of the magisterium*
(Need more rpers on these forums )

i. Will say this brother you dont lack conviction... thats to admired

(And yes RPimg is awsome)

[Tevinter Soldier]

Enough! Enough of this bickering!

 

I refuse to stand by and have the old Men whom should have long ago been retired spit on the makers name! in this very room! is nothing sacred any more?

 

When i was a boy such talk would see one strung up in the proving grounds as an example! The Maker has guided our hand for well over a thousand years! It is through his grace that we have warded off Blights and invasions. Seen us through famines! and countless wars. And how have you repaid the makers love?

 

By bickering among yourselves! You want answers for the fade tears? Do not look to the old gods! they have been Silent for centuries! where were the old god's during blights? Where were they when the heretical south invaded? Where were you're old gods when sacrilegious Horned Scum crossed Boeric Ocean?

I'll tell you where they were slumbering in ground awaiting the darkspawn to release them and Spread yet another plague upon Tevinter!

 

You wish to know why the world burns? look around you! still today we permit magisters into these hall's despite their heretical views for no reason other then they had the dumb luck of falling out of a womans womb who's family held a seat in this Magisterium! and now the south Hunt's the Makers CHOSEN PEOPLE! and we sit here and do nothing because of old Prejudices and hatred! for too long we have allowed this corrupted chantry in the south fester! How many Magi have been Slain by the Mundane filth? 

 

Magisters rule through Devine right! and for to long the teachings of the Maker have been manipulated by the heretic's of the south!

The marker is Angry! it is divine punishment! for their heresy's, The maker has punished them for worshipping the MORTAL prophet andraste over the maker and their Refusal to follow US the Makers favoured children and still we do not seize upon this oppertunity the maker has provided! Henssarian would be rolling in his grave, if he'd seen what we've become!

 

Orlais has been torn apart and descended into civil war! Templars Answer to no one they hunt down and slaughter Innocent children! Mages hide in forrests like Knife ear savages! and now there's even talk of foul creatures driven mad by red lyrium preying on the countryside! It is time fellow Magisters! we must stop worrying about power struggles and the petty rivalries between us!

we must stand together as one the Imperium can no longer sit back and do nothing! we must march on the South repair the veil tears, Liberate our brothers and place heretical countries like Orlais and transfigure them under the loving guidance of the Archon!

 

The Maker demands justice for his people! we must set aside our differences and unite as one! we must drive the Godless cows back into the sea and crush the heretics of the south once and for all! I will not allow this Imperium to end! We must march forth in the name of the maker!

 

Tevinter WILL Prevail! 

[raging_monkey]

Enough! Enough of this bickering!
 
I refuse to stand by and have the old Men whom should have long ago been retired spit on the makers name! in this very room! is nothing sacred any more?
 
When i was a boy such talk would see one strung up in the proving grounds as an example! The Maker has guided our hand for well over a thousand years! It is through his grace that we have warded off Blights and invasions. Seen us through famines! and countless wars. And how have you repaid the makers love?
 
By bickering among yourselves! You want answers for the fade tears? Do not look to the old gods! they have been Silent for centuries! where were the old god's during blights? Where were they when the heretical south invaded? Where were you're old gods when sacrilegious Horned Scum crossed Boeric Ocean?
I'll tell you where they were slumbering in ground awaiting the darkspawn to release them and Spread yet another plague upon Tevinter!
 
You wish to know why the world burns? look around you! still today we permit magisters into these hall's despite their heretical views for no reason other then they had the dumb luck of falling out of a womans womb who's family held a seat in this Magisterium! and now the south Hunt's the Makers CHOSEN PEOPLE! and we sit here and do nothing because of old Prejudices and hatred! for too long we have allowed this corrupted chantry in the south fester! How many Magi have been Slain by the Mundane filth? 
 
Magisters rule through Devine right! and for to long the teachings of the Maker have been manipulated by the heretic's of the south!
The marker is Angry! it is divine punishment! for their heresy's, The maker has punished them for worshipping the MORTAL prophet andraste over the maker and their Refusal to follow US the Makers favoured children and still we do not seize upon this oppertunity the maker has provided! Henssarian would be rolling in his grave, if he'd seen what we've become!
 
Orlais has been torn apart and descended into civil war! Templars Answer to no one they hunt down and slaughter Innocent children! Mages hide in forrests like Knife ear savages! and now there's even talk of foul creatures driven mad by red lyrium preying on the countryside! It is time fellow Magisters! we must stop worrying about power struggles and the petty rivalries between us!
we must stand together as one the Imperium can no longer sit back and do nothing! we must march on the South repair the veil tears, Liberate our brothers and place heretical countries like Orlais and transfigure them under the loving guidance of the Archon!
 
The Maker demands justice for his people! we must set aside our differences and unite as one! we must drive the Godless cows back into the sea and crush the heretics of the south once and for all! I will not allow this Imperium to end! We must march forth in the name of the maker!
 
Tevinter WILL Prevail!

*assembly members appluad* yes i senior magister, speak. I caome from the south and can i can tell you IT IS AS BAD AS THEY CLAIM! * shows scar on chest from a templar lover* the. South burns while rogue magi/templars attack each other and the innocent commoners. It is maddeness without the slightest reason. This war must end or i will die trying! *Bites thumb til it bleeds* I SWEAR IT!!

[Uccio]

*takes a swig of wine from the crystal goblet and stands up*

 

Brethren please, I hope we can calm down and try to focus on the main issue. The glory of the Empire. Surely we can settle religious aspects later when Imperiums position as the true ruler of the Thedas has been cemented and those cursed oxmen have been defeated for good.

 

I see that saving the remaining Gods from the darkspawn taint is a crucially important issue, if not the most important one. With our Gods on our side. Which they can prove or unprove by themselves, are they gods or not. Either way, we would have dragons. I am sure we can crush the resistance of the barbaric nations and bring back the glory of the Imperium. And finally totally eradicate those cursed oxmen.

There are plenty of mages running around after the fall of the circle system elsewhere and I am sure that many of them could be recruited to our effort with a incentive of becoming a citizen of the Empire. Granted most of them lack the military skill and power of our mages but still they can provide a sufficient amount of raw power to keep darkspawn in check. Also we could extent the offering some by promising members of the Soporati class a position above their station, should they volunteer for the expeditions. Maybe even a seat in the senate if successful? 

 

As for the blight of our souther brethren in their agony I suggest we send out a general invitation to whomever is interested in freedom should travel north and prove themselves by enlisting to our army fighting those cursed oxmen. We can pic the most promising ones to the expeditions from these crowds.

 

*sits down and leans backwards grabbing the wine goblet*

[raging_monkey]

I do have a theory on dragon control

[Tevinter Rose]

 

Orlais has been torn apart and descended into civil war! Templars Answer to no one they hunt down and slaughter Innocent children! Mages hide in forrests like Knife ear savages! 

 

As one of the few elven magisters in this room, I'd just like to point out that some of us were ruthless enough to rise in the ranks and pledge fealty and have seen the light of the Imperium and no longer hide in the forests lol. 

 

 

 

So your saying..........we need more blood?

 

I know another fellow elf that can help with that:

[raging_monkey]

As one of the few elven magisters in this room, I'd just like to point out that some of us were ruthless enough to rise in the ranks and pledge fealty and have seen the light of the Imperium and no longer hide in the forests lol. 
 
 
 

 
I know another fellow elf that can help with that:

im going to the void but i love that image. Lol

[Keroko]

The faith of the Temple of Dumat is admirable, but there is a boundary between faith and delusion and I fear some have crossed it. Our historians have seen Dumat, turned and corrupted by the blight. We know of the Warden magics used to slay him -and how can we not? we invented them- and we know when, where and how it happened. His voice has been silent ever since the first blight.

 

Whatever the magisters found in the Golden City, it was powerful enough to corrupt even the gods themselves. Rather than deny the facts that even our historians agree on, we should continue to investigate what kind of power can touch the gods themselves. If we could harness such power... imagine what we could achieve. A power that rivals the gods themselves! The power that Dumat, in his last commands, desired for us to claim!

 

All we need is the secret of the technique to attempt again, and the knowledge of the first expedition to avoid repeating our mistakes. The first expedition failed miserably, and all magisters were assumed lost, but... I have heard whispers. Rumours that one of the ancient magisters still draws breath. I cannot guarantee the validity of these rumours, but given that they seemed to surround the Champion of Kirkwall, around whom destiny seems to coil like a snake I feel that we should investigate.

 

I feel no desire to worship this... Maker. Even assuming he exists -which I will remind the council, there is nothing to show he does- then not a god worth worshipping. For how many years have people pleaded for his aid? And for how many years more has he neglected them? The Old Gods, even sealed as they are, still listened and answered the prayers of their priests. The Maker does none of this. Worse, if one believes the words of the Chantry, the Maker is responsible for the blights in the first place. Why should we thank a god for surviving the very plagues he curses us with?

 

No, ladies and gentlemen, the Andrastian faith is no worship of a true god. If one looks at history, it is little more than a political religion. A false faith to secure the rule of the common folk. Recall, if you will, the events following the burning of Andraste. A man called Hessarian picked up his blade and skewered the prophet, claiming that 'he heard the voice of the Maker.' But what were his first actions after converting? Rousing the population against the Tevinter and killing almost the entire clergy of the seven temples.

 

Though the very act is the essence of heresy, I do admire him for his quick thinking. He saw a chance for power and took it.

 

And power he forged. Ever so easy did the Chantry get formed. First in Tevinter, then in Orlais. Both political formations to secure a base of power, though the Orlesian one is worse by far. Denouncing magic, the gift of magic, as a curse. The sheer ridicule boggles the mind! Even by their own words, their 'Maker' bestowed the gift of magic on chosen, and yet they denounce it as a curse? The arrogance!

 

But I digress. My point is, members of the council, that we of Tevinter do ourselves no good to follow a god made up by people. The Maker has shown no evidence for his existence. He is a figure created to rally people behind a select few who claim to be able to hear him. We have better things to do than to waste time praying for a god that does not exist.

 

We know our gods exist.

 

We know where their power lies.

 

We have been there once, we can do so again. Once we learn what went wrong the first time, we will do it right this time.

 

The power Dumat passed down to us will be ours!

 

We will claim the Golden City!

[The Ascendant]

The faith of the Temple of Dumat is admirable, but there is a boundary between faith and delusion and I fear some have crossed it. Our historians have seen Dumat, turned and corrupted by the blight. We know of the Warden magics used to slay him -and how can we not? we invented them- and we know when, where and how it happened. His voice has been silent ever since the first blight.
 
Whatever the magisters found in the Golden City, it was powerful enough to corrupt even the gods themselves. Rather than deny the facts that even our historians agree on, we should continue to investigate what kind of power can touch the gods themselves. If we could harness such power... imagine what we could achieve. A power that rivals the gods themselves! The power that Dumat, in his last commands, desired for us to claim!
 
All we need is the secret of the technique to attempt again, and the knowledge of the first expedition to avoid repeating our mistakes. The first expedition failed miserably, and all magisters were assumed lost, but... I have heard whispers. Rumours that one of the ancient magisters still draws breath. I cannot guarantee the validity of these rumours, but given that they seemed to surround the Champion of Kirkwall, around whom destiny seems to coil like a snake I feel that we should investigate.
 
I feel no desire to worship this... Maker. Even assuming he exists -which I will remind the council, there is nothing to show he does- then not a god worth worshipping. For how many years have people pleaded for his aid? And for how many years more has he neglected them? The Old Gods, even sealed as they are, still listened and answered the prayers of their priests. The Maker does none of this. Worse, if one believes the words of the Chantry, the Maker is responsible for the blights in the first place. Why should we thank a god for surviving the very plagues he curses us with?
 
No, ladies and gentlemen, the Andrastian faith is no worship of a true god. If one looks at history, it is little more than a political religion. A false faith to secure the rule of the common folk. Recall, if you will, the events following the burning of Andraste. A man called Hessarian picked up his blade and skewered the prophet, claiming that 'he heard the voice of the Maker.' But what were his first actions after converting? Rousing the population against the Tevinter and killing almost the entire clergy of the seven temples.
 
Though the very act is the essence of heresy, I do admire him for his quick thinking. He saw a chance for power and took it.
 
And power he forged. Ever so easy did the Chantry get formed. First in Tevinter, then in Orlais. Both political formations to secure a base of power, though the Orlesian one is worse by far. Denouncing magic, the gift of magic, as a curse. The sheer ridicule boggles the mind! Even by their own words, their 'Maker' bestowed the gift of magic on chosen, and yet they denounce it as a curse? The arrogance!
 
But I digress. My point is, members of the council, that we of Tevinter do ourselves no good to follow a god made up by people. The Maker has shown no evidence for his existence. He is a figure created to rally people behind a select few who claim to be able to hear him. We have better things to do than to waste time praying for a god that does not exist.
 
We know our gods exist.
 
We know where their power lies.
 
We have been there once, we can do so again. Once we learn what went wrong the first time, we will do it right this time.
 
The power Dumat passed down to us will be ours!
 
We will claim the Golden City!

Quite right my lord. We don't need gods. They need us. We don't have to worship one, when we can become one.

[raging_monkey]

I think trying to enter the golden city is dangerous... but i seek to aide this endeavor... for science