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[Red of Rivia]

This would be a good Origin to put in a game.

[Serelir]

This would be a good Origin to put in a game.

Wouldn't it be interesting if you could start out as an apprentice and have to choose a Magister? It's not really in the scope of a DA game, but it would be cool - the choice you made would affect which side you were on, your allies, etc.

 

Somniari are a bit OP though - I only chose it because I needed a reason to put her in the thick of the magisterial conflict, and because of the Lore. Trying to make her vulnerable, or it would be boring.

[Red of Rivia]

Yes, I believe they will return the origin thing.

[Serelir]

So, Red of Rivia, who is your character? Is he a human who follows the Qun?

[Serelir]

Oh, Monkey filled me in. Is Red still preaching? Elowyn could have an interesting debate with him about slavery.

[raging_monkey]

Not last I saw he was just very inquisitive

[Serelir]

Hmm, I need someone to take Elowyn to the slave market.

[Uccio]

How about Nazlik? She came to Tevinter through the slave process.

[Serelir]

How about Nazlik? She came to Tevinter through the slave process.

That would be perfect! A good way for them to get to know each other, too. Not exactly a fun outing, lol, but you know. Serious topic.

[raging_monkey]

Wonder what they slave auctions look like I'm thinking something similar to the southern united states in the 1800s

[Uccio]

Probably, people in chains standing on some platform. Buyers checking the goods, so to speak, and arguing about the price with seller.

[Serelir]

This was one of the saddest things I came across while doing research.

 

This one in particular struck me as an example of the indignity of human bondage:

 

Sale Ad by Wm. S. Jones of Vaucluse placed 21 April 1826 for "remarkable likely servant, 19 yrs old,  has been brought up in the house and is one of the best dining room waiters in the state.  He is now in the jail at Leesburg and can be sold on application  to Marshall Jones or David We. Barton Esq. In Winchester, Frederick Co, either of whom will state his character when applied to.

 

If we are using Rome as a model, I was reading a letter in which a woman complained that her sister-in-law had sent a pretty slave girl as a gift calculated to sabotage her marriage. The patrician woman tried to sell "the pregnant ****," but couldn't get a good price for her.

 

This is interesting and could be worked into a story:

 

Servi poenae were persons whose crimes caused them to be reduced to slave status, in a process known as capitis deminutio. In the Republican period, this penalty could affect draftdodgers and those who eluded the census. Later on, dediticii – free people of ‘infamous’ status – were to be sold into slavery if they entered a 100-mile radius around the city of Rome. Other targets of this measure included free women who cohabited with a slave against his owner’s will, and egregiously ungrateful freedmen 

-The Roman Slave Supply

 

Here's a market in Algiers. I'd expect something similar in Minrathous.

[raging_monkey]

Hmm seems compilable with tevinter. They do have "state owned" slaves

[Serelir]

Hmm seems compilable with tevinter. They do have "state owned" slaves

I didn't know that!  Here's a blurb on public slaves in Barbary:

 

Spoiler

Slaves in Barbary fell into two broad categories. The 'public slaves' belonged to the ruling pasha, who by right of rulership could claim an eighth of all Christians captured by the corsairs, and buy all the others he wanted at reduced prices. These slaves were housed in large prisons known as baños (baths), often in wretchedly overcrowded conditions. They were mostly used to row the corsair galleys in the pursuit of loot (and more slaves) - work so strenuous that thousands died or went mad while chained to the oar.

 

During the winter thesegaleotti worked on state projects - quarrying stone, building walls or harbour facilities, felling timber and constructing new galleys. Each day they would be given perhaps two or three loaves of black bread - 'that the dogs themselves wouldn't eat' - and limited water; they received one change of clothing every year. Those who collapsed on the job from exhaustion or malnutrition were typically beaten until they got up and went back to work. The pasha also bought most female captives, some of whom were taken into his harem, where they lived out their days in captivity. The majority, however, were purchased for their ransom value; while awaiting their release, they worked in the palace as harem attendants.

 

Many other slaves belonged to 'private parties.' Their treatment and work varied as much as their masters did. Some were well cared for, becoming virtual companions of their owners. Others were worked as hard as any 'public' slave, in agricultural labour, or construction work, or selling water or other goods around town on his (or her) owner's behalf. They were expected to pay a proportion of their earnings to their owner - those who failed to raise the required amount typically being beaten to encourage them to work harder.

 

As they aged or their owner's fortunes changed, slaves were resold, often repeatedly. The most unlucky ended up stuck and forgotten out in the desert, in some sleepy town such as Suez, or in the Turkish sultan's galleys, where some slaves rowed for decades without ever setting foot on shore.

 

Do the qunari capture slaves and use them to row their ships? Or are they nominally "free?"

[Serelir]

This one is for Red of Rivia:

 

Ibn Fadlan's Account of the Rus

 

I find it fascinating!

 

"The Rus are a great host, all of them red haired; they are big men with white bodies."   

 

"When a great personage dies, the people of his family ask his young women and men slaves, "Who among you will die with him?" One answers, "I." Once he or she has said that, the thing is obligatory: there is no backing out of it. Usually it is one of the girl slaves who do this."

 

*prays no one will ask this if Caius meets his end*  Though we drink to his long life, of course!

[raging_monkey]

Krem mentioned something bout servus publicas basically state slaves that function as part of the system but no details.

And qunari basically have slaves due to using qamek (basically super tranquility)

[Red of Rivia]

This one is for Red of Rivia:

 

Ibn Fadlan's Account of the Rus

 

I find it fascinating!

 

"The Rus are a great host, all of them red haired; they are big men with white bodies."   

 

"When a great personage dies, the people of his family ask his young women and men slaves, "Who among you will die with him?" One answers, "I." Once he or she has said that, the thing is obligatory: there is no backing out of it. Usually it is one of the girl slaves who do this."

 

*prays no one will ask this if Caius meets his end*  Though we drink to his long life, of course!

Oh, the Ukrainians. Interestingly, as the ethnic groups are mixed and I end up not being Slavic.

For your first question, I suppose he does not do that anymore. But he's not slavery fan, you can still discuss with him.

[Master Warder Z_]

I still say this should be the conclusion of any "Slave" Origin in the game; It's basically the defeat of the Ultimate authority of the institution of slavery 

 

 

The general who became a slave.

 

The slave who became a gladiator.

 

The gladiator who defied an emperor.

 

Striking story!

 

But now, the people want to know how the story ends.

 

Only a famous death will do.

 

And what could be more glorious than to challenge the Emperor himself in the great arena?

 

I mean it's practically required from Bioware for the Archon to die at the hands of a mundane little slave.

[raging_monkey]

Idk required seems cliche. And I just saw that movie... wasn't a big fan of Russel crow til now

[Master Warder Z_]

Idk required seems cliche.

 

It's a common dynamic theme in Bioware games.

 

Kill Sun Li: Become Emperor 

 

Kill Malak: Become Sith Lord

 

Kill Darth Thanaton: Become a member of the Dark Council

 

Kill the Arishok: Become Champion 

 

etc 

 

So i'd say it would be well within their playbook.

[raging_monkey]

You can become emp in jade empire... I'm replaying now

[Serelir]

I mean it's practically required from Bioware for the Archon to die at the hands of a mundane little slave.

And then what? Everyone lives happily ever after?

[Serelir]

Oh, the Ukrainians. Interestingly, as the ethnic groups are mixed and I end up not being Slavic.

For your first question, I suppose he does not do that anymore. But he's not slavery fan, you can still discuss with him.

Oh! I thought the Rus dispersed into Russia. But I know practically nothing about this, so forgive me - I must have been thinking of Monkey's Viking comment. You wouldn't happen to be Erzya, would you? 

 

For the 2nd, perhaps Nazlik and Elowyn could bump into Red when they visit the slave market.

[Red of Rivia]

Oh! I thought the Rus dispersed into Russia. But I know practically nothing about this, so forgive me - I must have been thinking of Monkey's Viking comment. You wouldn't happen to be Erzya, would you? 

 

For the 2nd, perhaps Nazlik and Elowyn could bump into Red when they visit the slave market.

Well, it depends, but I believe that I am descent from that Rus. If you take into account, they were swallowed by the Slavs  and ended up becoming Slavs, as well as the Germans(not the nazi) and so on. 

[Master Warder Z_]

And then what? Everyone lives happily ever after?

*snorts*

More like the imperium rips itself apart in another civil war.