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[vertigomez]

And people wonder why I have little to no hope for modern generation, you talk about Haman Karn and people have no idea what your talking about until they do a google search, but lo and behold everyone knows about that cartoon that was nickelodeon. Its a distressing revelation that everyone already knows, and no one cares about.
 
Apathy! Apathy is what brought low Tevinter, that and a civil war but that's beside the point, and Apathy is what shall bring this thread low.

You mean... everybody knows about the cartoon that.. you yourself just referenced.. right now? >.>

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean... everybody knows about the cartoon that.. you yourself just referenced.. right now? >.>

 

Indeed.

 

I am in fact aware of the thing everyone is aware of, surprise!

[nightscrawl]

Here kids, have some Varania while I aggressively ignore certain posts.

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This is exactly what I was picturing, honhonhon~ she reminds me of Asami. An even more mature, more terrifying Asami.

 

Wow, they really made her look like she could be Fenris's sister, despite the hair color, even more so than the game version. A+!

 

To your previous remark about brunettes... I'm in that camp also, and was thrilled to have a fave swarthy LI in DAI with Dorian. Generally, the character themselves influences my perception of their appearance over time as I get to know them. I'd certainly attempt to go for Mae if she were available as a romance option. Lol... I can just imagine myself having one of the first conversations with her after recruitment, seeing the icon, and hitting that so hard I practically break my mouse.

[Lady Artifice]

And people wonder why I have little to no hope for modern generation, you talk about Haman Karn and people have no idea what your talking about until they do a google search, but lo and behold everyone knows about that cartoon that was nickelodeon. Its a distressing revelation that everyone already knows, and no one cares about.

 

Apathy! Apathy is what brought low Tevinter, that and a civil war but that's beside the point, and Apathy is what shall bring this thread low. 

 

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But "revelation that everyone already knows" isn't a revelation, and knowing about one franchise but not another doesn't fit any actual definition of apathy that I know of. 

[Lady Artifice]

I... hmmm.

 

It is very rarely my style to drool over anything posted on this forum, but I confess that I'm tempted in this case.

 

It's pretty captivating, right? 

 

The only concern I'd have is the likelihood that they would write a character like that as a chilly ice queen (she looks a bit like a chilly ice queen, to be fair), and we've got that type pretty thoroughly covered in DA. I'd prefer the calculating but affable type. 

[vertigomez]

This might be the only fanart of Danarius in existence, hoboy.

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Wow, they really made her look like she could be Fenris's sister, despite the hair color, even more so than the game version. A+!

Yeah, I thought they found a nice balance! I wonder who was in charge of her design... I just assume she and Fenris had different fathers or something.
 

To your previous remark about brunettes... I'm in that camp also, and was thrilled to have a fave swarthy LI in DAI with Dorian. Generally, the character themselves influences my perception of their appearance over time as I get to know them. I'd certainly attempt to go for Mae if she were available as a romance option. Lol... I can just imagine myself having one of the first conversations with her after recruitment, seeing the icon, and hitting that so hard I practically break my mouse.

Same. "Pleeease don't pull a Vivienne/Varric/Harding/other person I can flirt shamelessly with but not actually smooch."

I can't begrudge anyone their blondes, since we've had so very many brunette LIs (at least as far as women go. Far more male LIs with light hair!).

The only concern I'd have is the likelihood that they would write a character like that as a chilly ice queen (she looks a bit like a chilly ice queen, to be fair), and we've got that type pretty thoroughly covered in DA. I'd prefer the calculating but affable type.

I like the idea of a playful but mature personality. A bit like Leliana if she'd been raised in an elitist magocracy, lol.

[Xilizhra]

It's pretty captivating, right? 

 

The only concern I'd have is the likelihood that they would write a character like that as a chilly ice queen (she looks a bit like a chilly ice queen, to be fair), and we've got that type pretty thoroughly covered in DA. I'd prefer the calculating but affable type. 

The OC magister whom I wrote as my second-most-ideal LI (the most ideal, obviously, is Merrill, but there's only one of her) had a personality that I might describe as affable but brutal when necessary. She also still venerates the Old Gods, though not necessarily in a truly worshipful way.

[The Ascendant]

I've just realized we are nearly at five hundred pages of discussions and debating! Truly a landmark for our intellectual support of the greatest country in Thedas. I wonder how the Imperial Chantry will be shown in the game, and how the events of the previous trilogy will impact on life in Tevinter. The Imperial Chantry sounds more fun. Men and women who can be priests and allowed to marry? Practical. Magic used in service? Awesome. Mages as priests? Doubly so. Andraste as a mage? Makes the most sense. Wouldn't be surprised if that is next big  religious revelation in the next game. We have a trend and pattern to maintain of uncovering ancient secrets and realizing that facts and myths of the world are very much real or less fantastical and more realistic than we imagined.

[Master Warder Z_]

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But "revelation that everyone already knows" isn't a revelation, and knowing about one franchise but not another doesn't fit any actual definition of apathy that I know of.

Arti do you have any sort of point here?

[Lady Artifice]

Arti do you have any sort of point here?

 

No, I apologize. That was nitpicky. 

[Mistic]

I wonder how the Imperial Chantry will be shown in the game, and how the events of the previous trilogy will impact on life in Tevinter. The Imperial Chantry sounds more fun. Men and women who can be priests and allowed to marry? Practical. Magic used in service? Awesome. Mages as priests? Doubly so. Andraste as a mage? Makes the most sense. Wouldn't be surprised if that is next big  religious revelation in the next game. We have a trend and pattern to maintain of uncovering ancient secrets and realizing that facts and myths of the world are very much real or less fantastical and more realistic than we imagined.

 

I'm curious too. The same as many people forget that for most of its history the Roman Empire was Christian, the Tevinter Imperium is linked more often to the Old Gods (like the crazy Venatori cult in DA:I) than to Andrastianism, despite being the first nation to make it its official religion. I'd really like to have the chance to explore how Andrastianism is seen through the eyes of the Imperial Chantry.

 

That said, although some of the current traditions of the Imperial Chantry look more progressive than the pre-DA:I Chantry (women and men are allowed, they can marry, mages are admitted), WoT also warns us that they are used to cover up less savoury situations. Like how allowing marriage is a tool so Chantry posts become family businesses. Or how the mages take the important posts, making it difficult for non-mages to rise high in the Chantry.

[The Ascendant]

I'm curious too. The same as many people forget that for most of its history the Roman Empire was Christian, the Tevinter Imperium is linked more often to the Old Gods (like the crazy Venatori cult in DA:I) than to Andrastianism, despite being the first nation to make it its official religion. I'd really like to have the chance to explore how Andrastianism is seen through the eyes of the Imperial Chantry.

 

That said, although some of the current traditions of the Imperial Chantry look more progressive than the pre-DA:I Chantry (women and men are allowed, they can marry, mages are admitted), WoT also warns us that they are used to cover up less savoury situations. Like how allowing marriage is a tool so Chantry posts become family businesses. Or how the mages take the important posts, making it difficult for non-mages to rise high in the Chantry.

I imagine most Tevinters rely on their religion to unite them and distinguish themselves. After all they had a Chantry long before Orlais was ever unified and they would have records detailing Andraste's life and campaign. To them they have the one true church, and it's what helps unify them against the threat of the Qunari, which is very anti-mage, even more so than the Orlesian Chantry. I hope that Divine Victoria will see that Tevinter is a necessary ally against the threat posed by both the Qunari and the Dread Wolf. I doubt Ferelden or Orlais will play much of a role, they are too far away to contribute any meaningful help whilst the Chantry is an international organisation. Not to mention the Inquisition, which is obviously has been disbanded and totally doesn't exist anymore.

[Heimdall]

I've just realized we are nearly at five hundred pages of discussions and debating! Truly a landmark for our intellectual support of the greatest country in Thedas. I wonder how the Imperial Chantry will be shown in the game, and how the events of the previous trilogy will impact on life in Tevinter. The Imperial Chantry sounds more fun. Men and women who can be priests and allowed to marry? Practical. Magic used in service? Awesome. Mages as priests? Doubly so. Andraste as a mage? Makes the most sense. Wouldn't be surprised if that is next big  religious revelation in the next game. We have a trend and pattern to maintain of uncovering ancient secrets and realizing that facts and myths of the world are very much real or less fantastical and more realistic than we imagined.

I would actually prefer that Andraste's nature remain a mystery.

 

Terms like "real" and "realistic" get thrown around a lot, but I actually think one of the most realistic things they could do is not lay bare all the secrets of the setting, leaving us to wonder.  That things are unknown and open to debate is one of the things that makes Dragon Age lore so interesting to me.

[The Ascendant]

I would actually prefer that Andraste's nature remain a mystery.

 

Terms like "real" and "realistic" get thrown around a lot, but I actually think one of the most realistic things they could do is not lay bare all the secrets of the setting, leaving us to wonder.  That things are unknown and open to debate is one of the things that makes Dragon Age lore so interesting to me.

Well we learn alot from previous games. Lyrium? Blood of Titans. Elven Gods? Powerful Mages. The Blights? They were Magisters who went to the Black City and found something. It would be nice to learn more about Tevinter or human history since the two are intertwined very closely. Since we'll most likely be fighting the Qunari maybe we'll uncover some secrets of the Qun. I for one would like to know how did the Qunari knew about King Calenhad before the Qunari ever visited Thedas. They know too much for a race that's only been around little over three hundred years.

[Heimdall]

Well we learn alot from previous games. Lyrium? Blood of Titans. Elven Gods? Powerful Mages. The Blights? They were Magisters who went to the Black City and found something. It would be nice to learn more about Tevinter or human history since the two are intertwined very closely. Since we'll most likely be fighting the Qunari maybe we'll uncover some secrets of the Qun. I for one would like to know how did the Qunari knew about King Calenhad before the Qunari ever visited Thedas. They know too much for a race that's only been around little over three hundred years.

Well they do know a lot about Dragons, and that's what i hope we see a lot of reveals about in DA4.

 

I mean, between Tevinter and the Qunari this is the perfect time to explore the Old Gods and the power of Dragon blood.

[Master Warder Z_]

I would actually prefer that Andraste's nature remain a mystery.

Terms like "real" and "realistic" get thrown around a lot, but I actually think one of the most realistic things they could do is not lay bare all the secrets of the setting, leaving us to wonder. That things are unknown and open to debate is one of the things that makes Dragon Age lore so interesting to me.

Their probably not going to touch Andraste. That's too close to the Maker and that won't ever be addressed.

[Mistic]

Not to mention the Inquisition, which is obviously has been disbanded and totally doesn't exist anymore.

 

Not in my canon playthrough

 

I would actually prefer that Andraste's nature remain a mystery.

 

Terms like "real" and "realistic" get thrown around a lot, but I actually think one of the most realistic things they could do is not lay bare all the secrets of the setting, leaving us to wonder.  That things are unknown and open to debate is one of the things that makes Dragon Age lore so interesting to me.

 

I agree with the "open to debate" part, but not so much on the "unknown one". On the contrary, what makes DA lore so interesting to me is that it gives us the information or unveils the secrets lost for ages... and Thedosians and players still can't stop debating about what they mean.

 

Think about the many, many examples of that: the fall of Arlathan, the position of mages in society, religion, the Qun, the Exalted March on the Dales, the Grey Wardens... The best example has to be Loghain's retreat in DA:O. By the time of DA:I, it's already become part of history. As Solas points out, the same event can be completely different depending on your point of view. The game rarely judges ours, but the people around our PCs do it constantly. The same as in real life.

[The Ascendant]

Not in my canon playthrough

 

 

How can you fight a war when you can't trust your own people? When the stakes are this high, take no chances.

[Heimdall]

Not in my canon playthrough

 

 

I agree with the "open to debate" part, but not so much on the "unknown one". On the contrary, what makes DA lore so interesting to me is that it gives us the information or unveils the secrets lost for ages... and Thedosians and players still can't stop debating about what they mean.

 

Think about the many, many examples of that: the fall of Arlathan, the position of mages in society, religion, the Qun, the Exalted March on the Dales, the Grey Wardens... The best example has to be Loghain's retreat in DA:O. By the time of DA:I, it's already become part of history. As Solas points out, the same event can be completely different depending on your point of view. The game rarely judges ours, but the people around our PCs do it constantly. The same as in real life.

By "unknown" I mean that there is no definitive answer on some things.  I think that revealing something huge like Andraste being a mage would be a bit too much, especially since it calls the whole Maker issue into question.

 

So far, they've actually been really good at making big reveals while leaving many questions, like the reveal that seven magisters really did breach the Black City and somehow start the modern Blights or the existence of the Titans and their war with the Evanuris.

[Mistic]

How can you fight a war when you can't trust your own people? When the stakes are this high, take no chances.

 

Or the opposite: how can you fight a war when you don't have people? When the stakes are this high, use everything at your disposal.

 

I mean, we are the organization that had a Qunari secret agent and the son of a Tevinter Magister working with us in the open. And the Dread Wolf himself. I also don't understand why having spies in an organization as big as a country suddenly became so important when the Inquisition has its own spies in other places and, if you save the Chargers, Qunari agents inside the Inquisition already try to kill Iron Bull. And no one freaks out.

 

I think that revealing something huge like Andraste being a mage would be a bit too much, especially since it calls the whole Maker issue into question.

 

What would the problem be? Solas being the one who created the Veil and not the Maker is a more direct hit to Chantry dogma than Andraste being a mage. After all, the Tevinters think she was and that doesn't stop them from being Andrastian. It would only hurt the Orlesian Chantry's version.

[Heimdall]

What would the problem be? Solas being the one who created the Veil and not the Maker is a more direct hit to Chantry dogma than Andraste being a mage. After all, the Tevinters think she was and that doesn't stop them from being Andrastian. It would only hurt the Orlesian Chantry's version.

Solas creating the Veil doesn't really affect much, given that it can still be argued that the Chant refers to the distinction between the Fade and the physical world, which predates the Veil.

 

Fair point about the Imperial Chantry, though rethinking it I think I just don't like the idea of that confirmation because it creates a black and white "Tevinter is right!  Everyone else was wrong!" situation.  I don't like that and I don't think its necessary.  I think that Tevinter believing Andraste was a mage and how that affects their society is far more interesting than whether or not its true.

[Mistic]

Fair point about the Imperial Chantry, though rethinking it I think I just don't like the idea of that confirmation because it creates a black and white "Tevinter is right!  Everyone else was wrong!" situation.  I don't like that and I don't think its necessary.  I think that Tevinter believes Andraste was a mage and how that affects their society is far more interesting than whether or not its true.

 

That's a good point. However, I'm afraid that it could happen again, given the precedent. Too many examples, just in DA:I: Magisters did perform that horrible ritual to enter the Fade with their bodies and became corrupted, ancient elves were immortal but their gods were just superpowerful mages, Mythal and Fen'Harel are alive and well, Arlathan was crumbling long before Tevinter conquered it, the Seekers have always known how to cure Tranquility, Dalish elves did kill the people at Red Crossing, the last Inquisitor was an elf, red lyrium is blighted lyrium, Titans exist, etc.

 

What I appreciate is that even in those cases, debates won't stop. And compared to the truths we've discovered so far, Andraste being a mage seems pretty mild (we've known of that theory since DA:O). In the end, I don't think it matters much. DA:I presents a fascinating case of someone being named the Herald of Andraste because of some reasons and finding out those reasons are false, yet the lie sticks no matter what you do.

 

Also, imagine T-shirts with the slogan: "Tevinter was right!". New trend in Minrathous

[The Ascendant]

I would buy that shirt.

[Master Warder Z_]

than Andraste being a mage.

But then it goes into the realm of her not being touched by the Maker which goes into the existence of the Maker which they said they would never do, its far simpler to just ignore the issue.

Which is what I think Bioware will continue to do.

[Heimdall]

But then it goes into the realm of her not being touched by the Maker which goes into the existence of the Maker which they said they would never do, its far simpler to just ignore the issue.

Which is what I think Bioware will continue to do.

Mistic has me convinced it might not actually shake things up much, but I agree that they'll probably avoid it.  II expect the Old Gods to get much more attention than Andraste and the Maker this time around.