In Tevinter, who is higher up the hierarchy, the Black Divine or the Archon?
The Archon rules the political area while the Divine holds religious authority. I imagine that they have to work together to get anything done. Many members of the Imperial Chantry are also Magisters, so they work together to get things done.
In Tevinter, who is higher up the hierarchy, the Black Divine or the Archon?
Probably the Archon. In fact, in the old days the Archon was also the head of the Imperial Chantry. That power was reduced to a ceremonial role in order to appease the Orlesian Chantry. Ironically, it was a step towards the return of magocracy, since Chantry posts were some of the few still opened to mages in Tevinter after Hessarian's reforms, and they used it to keep their influence.
Also, Valhail, the first Black Divine, is said in the codex to have been "elected" by the Chantry in Tevinter, while in WoT it's said he was "appointed" by the Archon. In practice, it could be a combination of both: in many countries, the candidate for a given position can be chosen in a election but the actual appointment must be signed by another authority; it would mean that, at least ceremonially, the Archon is above the Black Divine.
Interestingly, WoT also says that Archons "rule by divine right", since it's traditional in Tevinter to believe that higher power and magic come from the gods (that it's changed from the Old Gods to the Maker is a secondary matter). In an attempt to pretend some sort of separation of powers, the Archon can't be a Magister or hold a rank in the Chantry.
However, the truth is that the Circles rule the country now. The Black Divine? Always from the ranks of the first enchanters. The Archon? Also an enchanter. The Magisterium? Several positions are held by the noble families (mages trained in the Circles), others are in the hands of the Chantry (controlled by the Circles) and seven are chosen among the Circles themselves.
So much hate in your heart,pal
If a nation thrives around evil by slavery and blood magic benefitting the legacy from elves which is stolen, and they've gone unpunished you would do the same thing too. I'll turn into a dragon like Smaug and bring a fiery apocalypse for what they've done, and I wish I could do that @ Inquisition with my female Dalish Elf.So much hate in your heart,pal
I don't think so, though I certainly intend to make one.While everything is speculation at this point, do you guys think Tevinter will be the kind of setting where it feels wrong to play a non-mage?
If a nation thrives around evil by slavery and blood magic benefitting the legacy from elves which is stolen, and they've gone unpunished you would do the same thing too. I'll turn into a dragon like Smaug and bring a fiery apocalypse for what they've done, and I wish I could do that @ Inquisition with my female Dalish Elf.
It depends on the point of view, if you were born in Tevinter and your world is only Tevinter, do you think you would like to burn them? You were born there, it's your culture, your people, sometimes people are offspring of their environment.
While everything is speculation at this point, do you guys think Tevinter will be the kind of setting where it feels wrong to play a non-mage?
Well, I will play with a non-mage, I think they will put some effort to not depend on mage characters, only.
If I'll be a non-mage I'll be someone like Fenris with lyrium brands so I can kill magisters, and slaveowners and free the slaves to send them to the Fog Warriors or Par Vollen so they could have a better life.While everything is speculation at this point, do you guys think Tevinter will be the kind of setting where it feels wrong to play a non-mage?
You should be the protagonist of Magekiller.
I'll still destroy that nation regardless. Tevinter is based on slavery, genocide, and stolen culture, magic, and knowledge from elves and claimed themselves to be superior. Which is a bunch of bullshit and Tevinter never have a culture and heratige to begin with, it's stolen from elves and they're beyond redemption at this point. I wish I have the option to wage war @ the Imperium.It depends on the point of view, if you were born in Tevinter and your world is only Tevinter, do you think you would like to burn them? You were born there, it's your culture, your people, sometimes people are offspring of their environment.
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Only if they do blood magic, kept slaves, and/or harm an innocent.You should be the protagonist of Magekiller.
I'll still destroy that nation regardless. Tevinter is based on slavery, genocide, and stolen culture, magic, and knowledge from elves and claimed themselves to be superior. Which is a bunch of bullshit and Tevinter never have a culture and heratige to begin with, it's stolen from elves and they're beyond redemption at thus point. I wish I have the option to wage war @ the Imperium.
Well, but culture transform themselves and now Tevinter has its own! Besides... the elven dudes have destroyed themselves long ago, they had slaves too, so...
Only if they do blood magic, kept slaves, and/or harm an innocent.
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IDK why the writers writing elves having slaves anyway so they can justify having elves enslaved by "humans". And if they steal something that isn't yours and copy off a culture because they're dumb and stupid enough that they can't create their own, they're thieves and a creator is always smarter than a thief. And a thief cannot create something on their own.Well, but culture transform themselves and now Tevinter has its own! Besides... the elven dudes have destroyed themselves long ago, they had slaves too, so..
IDK why the writers writing elves having slaves anyway so they can justify having elves enslaved by "humans". And if they steal something that isn't yours and copy off a culture because they're dumb and stupid enough that they can't create their own, they're thieves and a creator is always smarter than a thief. And a thief cannot create something on their own.
Well, culture sometimes is not born, it is influenced from antoher and everything will be mixing to become something, was the case of Tevinter, was the case of Rome and is the case of most countries from Americas for example. I think Tevinter had stolen somethings, yes, sure, but this is normal for the progress of a society, they would not become so powerful as they were without some knowledge that others didn't had, and they refined what they had stolen, so, I think it's fine, the elves were gone as a... you know, ''great power''.
That's not true. You never heard of ancient Africa, East Asia, South and Central America oppress people and stealing another peoples culture, religion, philosophies, and heritage. The indigenous people have a culture and heritage of their own, and they don't even have to steal from one another because they don't even have to.Well, culture sometimes is not born, it is influenced from antoher and everything will be mixing to become something, was the case of Tevinter, was the case of Rome and is the case of most countries from Americas for example. I think Tevinter had stolen somethings, yes, sure, but this is normal for the progress of a society, they would not become so powerful as they were without some knowledge that others didn't had, and they refined what they had stolen, so, I think it's fine, the elves were gone as a... you know, ''great power''.
They did have they're own culture, they just adopted parts of another culture and adapted it to theirs. That's how real cultures develop through time.IDK why the writers writing elves having slaves anyway so they can justify having elves enslaved by "humans". And if they steal something that isn't yours and copy off a culture because they're dumb and stupid enough that they can't create their own, they're thieves and a creator is always smarter than a thief. And a thief cannot create something on their own.
Yeah, they do, all cultures interact and influence one another, sometimes adapting aspects wholesale. That's how cultural evolution works. Cultures are not and have never been self contained bubbles.That's not true. You never heard of ancient Africa, East Asia, South and Central America oppress people and stealing another peoples culture, religion, philosophies, and heritage. The indigenous people have a culture and heritage of their own, and they don't even have to steal from one another because they don't even have to.
That's call stealing. If they are an indigenous people who belong to Thedas they can come up with they're own culture, mathematics, science, and magic without stealing.They did have they're own culture, they just adopted parts of another culture and adapted it to theirs. That's how real cultures develop through time.
Making the elves a slave society was not an attempt to "justify" they're enslavement, more to make the point that the "Past Golden Age" isn't everything it was made out to be and that there are no innocents in grand scheme of history (At least speaking in terms of whole civilizations)
That's not true. You never heard of ancient Africa, East Asia, South and Central America oppress people and stealing another peoples culture, religion, philosophies, and heritage. The indigenous people have a culture and heritage of their own, and they don't even have to steal from one another because they don't even have to.
I see. But if you look at this countries now, they culture are not dead, I don't know in the case of US, but in great part of Latin America(I don't like the term, but it's what they call), native culture had joined the colonizers culture, and even today you can see this traits today. I don't know the right term would be steal, I agree with you that destroy another culture is terrible. However, in some cases its only influence, knowledge exchange and et cetera.
That's call stealing. If they are an indigenous people who belong to Thedas they can come up with they're own culture, mathematics, science, and magic without stealing.
In Brazil, where... if I'm not mistaken, had the most primitive peoples of the Americas, they had certain knowledge that passed to the Portuguese dudes, as...fishery, however, they still had almost nothing too advanced to be stolen from them... only their land, which was in some extension.
No culture that has ever existed has had such a self contained development, except perhaps those existing on isolated islands in the middle of the ocean. As I said, no culture is a self contained bubble.That's call stealing. If they are an indigenous people who belong to Thedas they can come up with they're own culture, mathematics, science, and magic without stealing.
In ancient times the Olmecs come to South America to teach them math, science, architecture, and astrology. That's why you see Olmec Head Stones almost everywhere, and the Olmec have African facial features which confirms it was Africans who came way before the Conquistadors came. There's a difference between learning from different culture and stealing people's culture.I see. But if you look at this countries now, they culture are not dead, I don't know in the case of US, but in great part of Latin America(I don't like the term, but it's what they call), native culture had joined the colonizers culture, and even today you can see this traits today. I don't know the right term would be steal, I agree with you that destroy another culture is terrible. However, in some cases its only influence, knowledge exchange and et cetera.
In Brazil, where... if I'm not mistaken, had the most primitive peoples of the Americas, they had certain knowledge that passed to the Portuguese dudes, as...fishery, however, they still had almost nothing too advanced to be stolen from them... only their land, which was in some extension.
"All acts performed in the world begin in the imagination."No culture that has ever existed has had such a self contained development, except perhaps those existing on isolated islands in the middle of the ocean. As I said, no culture is a self contained bubble.
In ancient times the Olmecs come to South America to teach them math, science, architecture, and astrology. That's why you see Olmec Head Stones almost everywhere, and the Olmec have African facial features which confirms it was Africans who came way before the Conquistadors came. There's a difference between learning from different culture and stealing people's culture.
So, you would say that the natives from South America had stolen from the Olmecs? They were influenced, like the others, they were in the same continent and et cetera. It is more easy to see this type of thing to happen. It's normal, I do not think it's steal, if you were a native and Spanish/Portuguese descendent for example, how would feel about yourself? It is difficult to determine what is theft, when all pre supposed that no culture develops too much without having much contact with another. And from another point of view, you could argue that those who are teaching their culture to other people consider themselves superior and that they are civilizing that primitive people, even if not in an agressive manner.
That's not true. You never heard of ancient Africa, East Asia, South and Central America oppress people and stealing another peoples culture, religion, philosophies, and heritage. The indigenous people have a culture and heritage of their own, and they don't even have to steal from one another because they don't even have to.
Yes I have. Many times.
In ancient times the Olmecs come to South America to teach them math, science, architecture, and astrology. That's why you see Olmec Head Stones almost everywhere, and the Olmec have African facial features which confirms it was Africans who came way before the Conquistadors came. There's a difference between learning from different culture and stealing people's culture.
You know this is not considered credible by the vast majority of Mesoamerican researchers, right?
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