Oh please ferelden is the most backwater generic of the kingdoms of Thedas.
Not with my Cousland leading it.
The sun will never set upon Ferelden soil when I am through!
Of course... that requires them to actually make the rest of the world... but.... shhh....
Also, I have this theory that the starting point of the game may be slavery itself, since every race and class can become slaves in Tevinter.
Dwarves cannot, presumably to avoid diplomatic incidents with Tevinter's lyrium suppliers.
@Xilizhra: Yeah... dwarves must play a really important role in Tevinter as an ally.
If they don't make Tranquil... they can't have runes. That's a huge disadvantage.
And... while Bioware is grossly inconsistent with their lore... one must assume Tevinter can't make magical items without Tranquil either... so they must work in conjunction with dwarves there too probably?
Being a dwarf in the next game might be a REALLY interesting... unique... status.
@Xilizhra: Yeah... dwarves must play a really important role in Tevinter as an ally.
If they don't make Tranquil... they can't have runes. That's a huge disadvantage.
And... while Bioware is grossly inconsistent with their lore... one must assume Tevinter can't make magical items without Tranquil either... so they must work in conjunction with dwarves there too probably?
Being a dwarf in the next game might be a REALLY interesting... unique... status.
Tevinter has tranquils , they mostly use the rite as a political tool it seems.
There has always been a strong friendly connection between the dwarves and Tevinter, because each does rely on the other. Tevinter do have Tranquil but if I understand the lore correctly, no one had thought of doing this to mages before the previous Inquisition realised it was a bad side effect on mages if their Seeker creation failed. In fact I think that is why there are no Seeker mages because the ritual Cassandra was involved in doesn't work with mages, although I don't understand why not, since it is meant to be a matter of faith. Anyway, if this way of cutting off mages from the Fade was only discovered in the last 1000 years, initially in the south, then it is clear that Tevinter would have established other ways of creating magical items, utilising dwarven skills, long before the first Tranquil appeared. I suppose we will find out next game just how many Tranquil exist in the Tevinter and whether they are used for anything useful or just kept wandering about as a warning about what happens to political enemies of the state.
Dwarves cannot, presumably to avoid diplomatic incidents with Tevinter's lyrium suppliers.
True, that's probably the hardest origin to fit in. However, we know from the Dwarven origins in DA:O that it wouldn't be the first time a noble loses his or her caste because of political squabbling. And given Tevinters are such nice friends, maybe they can get rid of the nuisance, making sure the loser never goes back to Ambassadoria?
I mean, if Bioware managed to justify a Dwarf criminal, a Qunari mercenary and a Dalish spy as the Herald of Andraste, finding a reason to turn a dwarf into a slave should be easy.
Reading the last comments, I had to check again that I was in "the Tevinter Imperium support thread" and not "Arlathvhen: A Place to Discuss Your Elven Character". I was honestly confused for a moment.
I'm not sure. Slavery is a special kind of evil in Bioware games (and in fiction in general), and any case of Happiness In Slavery will probably be presented as unhealthy at best. Even Dorian, who never thought much of it, is on the defensive when the point is addressed by the Inquisitor and in party banter. The best I can see is a game set in Tevinter presenting some slave-owning individuals as honestly caring and fair, but incapable of understanding how wrong that system is.
Also, I have this theory that the starting point of the game may be slavery itself, since every race and class can become slaves in Tevinter. I seriously doubt we would be seeing the bright side of slavery in such situation (rule of drama!).
I hope so, but not look much like Bioware, in my view.
What I find strange is how the whole dwarven Ambassadoria thing works now the Deep Roads are overrun by darkspawn. The dwarves apparently live under Minrathous, never stepping under open sky, but I very much doubt that the Magisters would appreciate having tunnels open to the Deep Roads underneath their capital city, so how do the dwarves keep in contact with Orzammar except by utilising their surface dwelling kin? It seems odd to me that these subterranean dwarves in the three main cities should have such status when the lyrium would never get to them without the surface trade.
As for dwarven slaves, well back in Legacy, Corypheus mentioned about slaves of the dwarves, so apparently they keep slaves. Since they are a somewhat closed community, presumably the castless are probably kept as slaves by the dwarves under the Tevinter cities in addition to other races that they purchase from the surface.
dwarven slaves are prohibited, no? there something about trade agreement.
What I find strange is how the whole dwarven Ambassadoria thing works now the Deep Roads are overrun by darkspawn. The dwarves apparently live under Minrathous, never stepping under open sky, but I very much doubt that the Magisters would appreciate having tunnels open to the Deep Roads underneath their capital city, so how do the dwarves keep in contact with Orzammar except by utilising their surface dwelling kin? It seems odd to me that these subterranean dwarves in the three main cities should have such status when the lyrium would never get to them without the surface trade.
As for dwarven slaves, well back in Legacy, Corypheus mentioned about slaves of the dwarves, so apparently they keep slaves. Since they are a somewhat closed community, presumably the castless are probably kept as slaves by the dwarves under the Tevinter cities in addition to other races that they purchase from the surface.
The entire dwarven economy relies on surfacers. Dwarven culture has perfected the art of doublethink.
Well... do we know that the dwarves of Kal Sharok have the same taboo about the surface?
True, that's probably the hardest origin to fit in. However, we know from the Dwarven origins in DA:O that it wouldn't be the first time a noble loses his or her caste because of political squabbling. And given Tevinters are such nice friends, maybe they can get rid of the nuisance, making sure the loser never goes back to Ambassadoria?
I mean, if Bioware managed to justify a Dwarf criminal, a Qunari mercenary and a Dalish spy as the Herald of Andraste, finding a reason to turn a dwarf into a slave should be easy.
Perhaps the Dwarf's parents could have sold their family into slavery to settle a debt or something. While Tevinter can't take Dwarves as slaves, they could say that Dwarves who are willing to become slaves can.
Well... do we know that the dwarves of Kal Sharok have the same taboo about the surface?
No, but they are very inmates.
Well... do we know that the dwarves of Kal Sharok have the same taboo about the surface?
We don't know much but if I remember correctly I"ve read somewhere they have no casteless.
They seemed more reasonable than Orzammar if you forget about the fact they were kinda weird and trying to hide something. 
Remember how Dorian mentioned people willingly selling themselves into slavery? That could explain why Dwarves could be slaves. Qunari/Tal'Vasoth, Human and Elf I reckon are fairly common.
I wonder what specialties there are?
Perhaps the Dwarf's parents could have sold their family into slavery to settle a debt or something. While Tevinter can't take Dwarves as slaves, they could say that Dwarves who are willing to become slaves can.
Remember how Dorian mentioned people willingly selling themselves into slavery? That could explain why Dwarves could be slaves.
I'm pretty sure there's a strict ban on dwarves being slaves, ever. It's also worth noting that dwarves are never citizens of Tevinter; even surface dwarves whose families have lived there for generations (and there are many, as Tevinter has Thedas' largest surface dwarf population) are considered "foreign dignitaries."
I found this extract from the comic Magekiller, this is a small preview of life in Minrathous.
Theaters, libraries, markets and spas! I know where I going for holidays.
LOL servants on stilts serving drinks sounds like a disaster waiting to happen... did they not invent stairs in Tevinter?
LOL servants on stilts serving drinks sounds like a disaster waiting to happen... did they not invent stairs in Tevinter?
Would you call it a walking disaster?
Honestly you don't expect to actually move from their seating do you? This isn't Orlais, here in Tevinter we are civilized.
I found this extract from the comic Magekiller, this is a small preview of life in Minrathous.
Why Solas is in chains?
I'm pretty sure there's a strict ban on dwarves being slaves, ever. It's also worth noting that dwarves are never citizens of Tevinter; even surface dwarves whose families have lived there for generations (and there are many, as Tevinter has Thedas' largest surface dwarf population) are considered "foreign dignitaries."
I do think there'd be a ban or unspoken agreement about dwarves and their enslavement in the Imperium but I wonder about indentured servitude and of how it can be slavery in all but name. Would there be dwarves who are servants in name but slaves in everything else? It is something to ponder, I think.
I do think there'd be a ban or unspoken agreement about dwarves and their enslavement in the Imperium but I wonder about indentured servitude and of how it can be slavery in all but name. Would there be dwarves who are servants in name but slaves in everything else? It is something to ponder, I think.
Well, we do know that Tevinter loves to play with semantics.
Well, we do know that Tevinter loves to play with semantics.
And the 'vinter dwarves there might not mind it terribly much if it is those amongst them that are poor as well as deemed undesirable.
It kind of reminds me of Illium's indentured servitude program, where indentured servitude is a way to pay of debts, serve time, get the bare necessities, etc and those involved are ensured certain protections like having your needs seen to, protection from abuse, etc.
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