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I look at that as a limitation of game development more than anything else. Remember, we wouldn't have gotten the other races in DAI -- something that MANY people really wanted -- if it hadn't been for the extra year of development time.

 

As far as only appearance goes, the preference for that, versus having more differentiation, will vary from player to player. I don't think you can say that it's racist if it applies only to the player character, rather than all of the NPCs over all the races in the series. The player character, by necessity, is different from all NPCs.

 

 

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There are also roleplay limitations to consider and not defining the PC too much in either direction.

 

I suspect we will continue to disagree about this...

 

Who are "many"? The majority of stats show humans again.... In all classes, they dwarf the others. No pun intended. :P

 

Like I said in another thread recently, this is the tail wagging the dog. Where some miniscule group of bioware fans takes it upon themselves to dictate the direction of the games and declare how important their pet issue is. When it never was.

 

It also annoys because it in fact makes humans more boring in the process. They ended up getting pigeon holed in the Noble category. I had to waste more time coming up with a backstory for my rogue... when it would have been better if I had been a Merc or Smuggler like the Qunari or Dwarf. Instead, they had to cockblock that and make these guys the experts of the underworld. They have all the good qualities that lend itself to a human rogue, and I have none. My character is some Sebastian ripoff (who is already shitty to begin with)..who I have to stretch to make slightly cool and worldly. In effect, the Human becomes less human in the process. While these others become masters of being human.

 

And to think... they originally designed DAI to be their iconic rogue game. Like DA2 was for mages. It could have better without this interference from fans... who didn't even know the story.



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^ I just want to say that I play as a human in these games and have no interest in playing anything else. That doesn't mean I don't support other players who do want those races.

 

I also didn't think my human was boring.

 

At any rate, back to Tevinter and whatnot.



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So amphitheatre scene, anyone? I'd love to see a quest or more featuring a amphitheatre as the focus or backdrop especially given how magic is incorporated into plays and such in Tevinter.

Here's a comic panel featuring what I think is a play or concert in progress;
http://41.media.tumb...1trxebw_500.png

Here's the same comic panel bigger but with the sides cropped so the stage is more visible.
https://41.media.tum...p4bko2_1280.png
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#12954
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^ I just want to say that I play as a human in these games and have no interest in playing anything else. That doesn't mean I don't support other players who do want those races.

 

I also didn't think my human was boring.

 

At any rate, back to Tevinter and whatnot.

 

My human isn't boring, but it took a lot of work on my part...

 

It doesn't naturally jive well with how I see a rogue... he's more like Bro Genetivi on steroids. Mixed with Lara Croft :P

 

But that's not my first thought of a rogue.

 

I'm against tackiness. That's all. And I don't like being stripped of options so they can kowtow to someone else. If I'm against any players, it's the ones who act out of spite. Like some people just demanded this, because "DA2 sucked", "Humans are boring". They can bite me. DA2 was cool. And I wish Bioware themselves were more proud of it.



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So amphitheatre scene, anyone? I'd love to see a quest or more featuring a amphitheatre as the focus or backdrop especially given how magic is incorporated into plays and such in Tevinter.

Here's a comic panel featuring what I think is a play or concert in progress;
http://41.media.tumb...1trxebw_500.png

Here's the same comic panel bigger but with the sides cropped so the stage is more visible.
https://41.media.tum...p4bko2_1280.png

 

I get the feeling someone on the writing team can do a good mock Sophocles too.

 

Somehow this detail has escaped me though. Is this in the new comic?



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I get the feeling someone on the writing team can do a good mock Sophocles too.
 
Somehow this detail has escaped me though. Is this in the new comic?


It is from Dragon Age: Magekiller, I believe though what issue I do not know. I think it may be from one of the first issues since I've heard that in the later ones they journey away from Tevinter to the South.


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#12957
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I'm talking about playable characters. Running around in Tywin Lannister suits, making all the same comments, same jokes, same level of familiarity/comfort/adeptness with human society, same dance moves with Celene :P Even down to being an expert on their damn religions and uprooting the foundations of societies.

 

It's stupid. Nothing distinguishes them except appearance. And it's ironically the most racist mindset you can do... to reduce races to mere appearance.

 

The lore itself has some good things to work with. But that means nothing as far as games go.

As far as that goes, at least you don't actually have to be an expert on religions and the like. You could just not take the knowledge perks or dialogue choices that reflect those things. 



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It is from Dragon Age: Magekiller, I believe though what issue I do not know. I think it may be from one of the first issues since I've heard that in the later ones they journey away from Tevinter to the South.

Issue #2
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#12959
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The laser show fits with dorian's concept of rockstar mage
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I would agree with that, but I wouldn't say it's just the black experience. It's a mix of things. Indigenous, some of the African American experience, plus Jewish ghettos...

I wish there was a bigger equaivalent to the African American experience. Where it turned out many City Elves hold the banner for Andrastianism better than the humans do. Like the abolitionists or civil rights did for Christians. They shamed people with their own beliefs.

But elves aren't like that. There's a bigger native American type of strain... where it's about the lost past.

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lol... Hell.. I experienced some nasty racism in my day too, but I don't have this much of a chip on my shoulder. I've seen literal neo-Nazis raid parties and beat up people (including girls), and I'm still not all "Kill Whitey!".... nor try to justify it. I've fended off 5 people at a time, while being called a "Rice Cooker".. and I still can differentiate other people from them.

 

You gotta find this in yourself...

What is a White People exactly? Some people categorize latino as a race for example, but, what Latino? the white latino, the black latino, the pardo, who is he talking about in this case? For me is the same, what is a white people in this context, a anglo saxo descendent?



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That's the only thing you could associate with black people with elves, since in southern Thedas their treament is based more on the Jews. They are slaves in Tevinter, but the Imperium is based on Rome, and they enslave humans as well.

edit: besides, black people aren't the only people who were forced to convert in history.



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People are Baptists, Catholics, etc for private reasons too. You dishonor all of them for stripping them of their own freedom to make those choices now. As if they're all slavish in mind.

 

Martin Luther King Jr. for example was free to believe what he wanted, but he insisted his movement was a Christian one. And he argued with Christian ideas (in addition to Ghandian ones... who in turn was influenced by Tolstoy. Who was Christian too). So did many Civil Rights leaders.


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That's the only thing you could associate with black people with elves, since in southern Thedas their treament is based more on the Jews. They are slaves in Tevinter, but the Imperium is based on Rome, and they enslave humans as well.

Yeah, like the Witcher, the elves in the Witcher are based on Jews and there is even some pogrom.


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What is a White People exactly? Some people categorize latino as a race for example, but, what Latino? the white latino, the black latino, the pardo, who is he talking about in this case? For me is the same, what is a white people in this context, a anglo saxo descendent?

 

If it was only Anglo Saxons, then even some British people should hate Whites too. :P The Celts, I mean.



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People are Baptists, Catholics, etc for private reasons too. You dishonor all of them for stripping them of their own freedom to make those choices now. As if they're all slavish in mind.
 
Martin Luther King Jr. for example was free to believe what he wanted, but he insisted his movement was a Christian one. So did many Civil Rights leaders.

Inbox me if you want to take this further.

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Inbox me if you want to take this further.

 

Because it's getting too derailed here? I'll just drop it. Just giving my 2c.

 

I don't want to deal with PMs atm.. no offense :)



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Because it's getting too derailed here? I'll just drop it. Just giving my 2c.
 
I don't want to deal with PMs atm.. no offense :)

I'm not mocking you I'm offering to have a personal conversation because there are things that I am going to say will be unbearable and hard to swallow. But only if you want to.

#12969
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Moving on. Anyone hoping we get a Safiya like girl, perhaps even Calpernia as a romance option if we go Tevinter?



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Moving on. Anyone hoping we get a Safiya like girl, perhaps even Calpernia as a romance option if we go Tevinter?

Safiya? o-o



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Moving on. Anyone hoping we get a Safiya like girl, perhaps even Calpernia as a romance option if we go Tevinter?

pls no Calpernia, I got enough buck teeth with Miranda



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pls no Calpernia, I got enough buck teeth with Miranda

 

I thought you liked Miranda....



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I thought you liked Miranda....

I do, but not cause of her teeth



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Safiya? o-o

character from never winter nights 2 expansion (best rpg imo ever)http://forgottenreal...com/wiki/Safiya

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Moving on. Anyone hoping we get a Safiya like girl, perhaps even Calpernia as a romance option if we go Tevinter?

 

I think it was mentioned several pages ago in this thread, that in the end there's no way to confirm Calpernia's death. Given the sympathetic treatment she can have in DA:I (depending on the Inquisitor's choices, of course), and the fact she enjoys some screentime in the recent comic-book series, I can see her coming back. I don't know if as a romance option, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.

 

She has potential as a companion. Known backstory (less work for the writers), powerful but not overpowered (you can buy her becoming a companion), ruthless in some regard but idealistic in others (start counting her "Calpernia approves/disapproves"), knows slavery yet is a supporter of a better Tevinter Imperium (conflict!).

 

character from never winter nights 2 expansion (best rpg imo ever)http://forgottenreal...com/wiki/Safiya

 

Good to know.


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