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[The Elder King]

I don't think either of those factors would have an impact in Tevinter. I mean, we can assume that Solas and his goals haven't been made public knowledge and it's not like Trespasser would have made theTevinter view the Qunari any worse than they already did. Yet they don't kill qunari on sight and apparently allow them to walk the streets unhindered.

Walking in the street is one thing, having the PC in a (possible) position of power is another. 

As I said, I just have some doubts. I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong.

 

They could be a Tal'Vashoth, then it wouldn't be an issue. It would actually be the first time that we've played a Tal'Vashoth; the DAI PC was just Vashoth and had no personal perspective on the Qun since they were born outside of it.



This is why I think it might even be better to have just elves and humans. It's providing that option, but in a limited way, while allowing them to put more focus on developing for two races, rather than spreading thin over four.

A Tal-Vashoth, as far I know, wouldn't leave qunari territory but actively fight the qunari. 

Also, a Vashoth can be born inside the Qun. The difference with a Tal-Vashoth is that they don't want to fight the Qun but just leave it. A T-V wants to fight and destroy the Qun.

 

It's a possible theory, and it'll allow Bioware to include multiple race without spending too much resources, but while I think it's a possible approach, I'm not sure they'll go that way.

[nightscrawl]

I don't think either of those factors would have an impact in Tevinter. I mean, we can assume that Solas and his goals haven't been made public knowledge and it's not like Trespasser would have made theTevinter view the Qunari any worse than they already did. Yet they don't kill qunari on sight and apparently allow them to walk the streets unhindered.

In the Trespasser epilogue slides there is a bit about elves disappearing.

I know this isn't going to happen as they're not going to develop what essentially amounts to two different games based on a single choice that only a smallish amount of people will even take. BUT it would be interesting if an elf PC were presented with a choice to join with Solas or the Inquisitor, and from that point onward, the game experience is vastly different. However, even with this path it might have the same ending, depending on how they want to develop Solas's character.

[The Elder King]

To the Tevinter Imperium, what happened in the South would be nothing new to them seeing as they've been dealing with the Qunari for quite some time now and they've kept qunari slaves despite that.

 

Amusingly, the Tevinter Imperium is basically the Qunari's stress ball according what I've read on the Wikipedia. It's the mental image I think that amuses me the most.

 

Note: I'm referring to the qunari that are a part of the Qun as Qunari and the qunari that are not as qunari for simplicity.

It depends for which organization or country (if this will be the path they'll follow) we'll work though. Also, I'm still not sure the Vints would put a qunari in a position of power.

Again, it's just a concern I have. I'll be glad if it remains that.

[The Elder King]

In the Trespasser epilogue slides there is a bit about elves disappearing.

I know this isn't going to happen as they're not going to develop what essentially amounts to two different games based on a single choice that only a smallish amount of people will even take. BUT it would be interesting if an elf PC were presented with a choice to join with Solas or the Inquisitor, and from that point onward, the game experience is vastly different. However, even with this path it might have the same ending, depending on how they want to develop Solas's character.

I'm not saying it wont't be interesting, but from the info we have so far Solas' plan isn't going to actually benefits the current elves. but only the ancient elves. The former might suffer the same fate of the rest of Thedas.

[nightscrawl]

It depends for which organization or country (if this will be the path they'll follow) we'll work though. Also, I'm still not sure the Vints would put a qunari in a position of power.
Again, it's just a concern I have. I'll be glad if it remains that.

I don't know why you're fixated on the PC being in a "position of power." They could simply be an agent of the Inquisitor. In fact, that is how I would prefer that the game play out.
 
 

I'm not saying it wont't be interesting, but from the info we have so far Solas' plan isn't going to actually benefits the current elves. but only the ancient elves. The former might suffer the same fate of the rest of Thedas.

That doesn't change the fact of what the epilogue slide says. Also, Solas could be actively deceiving them, or allowing them to think what they wish in order to use them. Just because it wouldn't be wise or healthy for modern elves to join with Solas doesn't mean that there aren't those who will happily do so. Hell, we even had players saying that they wanted that dialogue option for their PC, even knowing the truth!

[Shechinah]

It depends for which organization or country (if this will be the path they'll follow) we'll work though. Also, I'm still not sure the Vints would put a qunari in a position of power.
Again, it's just a concern I have. I'll be glad if it remains that.

If we'll be working as a secret member of something, I could see it happening. Cloak and dagger basically, we might rise through the ranks of whatever we are a part of but as far as the non-organization members knows, we are nobodies. An example would be becoming agents of the Inquisition in Tevinter.

 

It would be good with alternating roles from game to game.

[nightscrawl]

Amusingly, the Tevinter Imperium is basically the Qunari's stress ball according what I've read on the Wikipedia. It's the mental image I think that amuses me the most.

Hah love this.

[The Elder King]

I don't know why you're fixated on the PC being in a "position of power." They could simply be an agent of the Inquisitor. In fact, that is how I would prefer that the game play out.
 
 

That doesn't change the fact of what the epilogue slide says. Also, Solas could be actively deceiving them, or allowing them to think what they wish in order to use them. Just because it wouldn't be wise or healthy for modern elves to join with Solas doesn't mean that there aren't those who will happily do so. Hell, we even had players saying that they wanted that dialogue option for their PC, even knowing the truth!

I did write that my point is based on the theory they follow the 'position of power' path. 

And even in the agent of the Inquisitor case, there might be problem trusting a qunari or a elf.

 

Wait, I'm not debating elves are joining Solas, or are being deceived by him. I'm saying that with this in mind making a path where you join isn't exactly the best choice, since your character would look like a fool.

[The Elder King]

If we'll be working as a secret member of something, I could see it happening. Cloak and dagger basically, we might rise through the ranks of whatever we are a part of but as far as the non-organization members knows we are nobody.

Indeed. I'm not saying that multiple race won't work in DA4. Just that I have concern that they might use the situation after Trespasser/Solas' actions to cut off some races. It's likely nothing, but I'll probably have this concern until they'll announce the PC and the race option.

[Heimdall]

Walking in the street is one thing, having the PC in a (possible) position of power is another.
As I said, I just have some doubts. I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong.

I doubt the Tevinter PC will have a position of power. Rather, I expect them to be sponsored by Dorian and possibly run a covert group rather than a publically visible position of power.

[The Elder King]

I doubt the Tevinter PC will have a position of power. Rather, I expect them to be sponsored by Dorian and possibly run a covert group rather than a publically visible position of power.

That's possible.

I just have some concerns after Trespasser. Hopefully they'll not cut any races from the PC choice.

[nightscrawl]

I did write that my point is based on the theory they follow the 'position of power' path. 
And even in the agent of the Inquisitor case, there might be problem trusting a qunari or a elf.
 
Wait, I'm not debating elves are joining Solas, or are being deceived by him. I'm saying that with this in mind making a path where you join isn't exactly the best choice, since your character would look like a fool.

I think you're relying too much on meta information. The game wouldn't present any of that in that way.

Let's just take the real example of how the Inquisitor was deceived by Solas all throughout the base game. We only had limited information on which to go on, and the various interactions with Solas himself. If you counted Solas as a friend before the final post-credit reveal did you feel like a fool then? Why would you if you had no reason to distrust him?

 

(This, of course, does not apply to those players that were suspicious of him all along, whom I know exist.)

[straykat]

If they can't even take the South seriously.. with a Qunari upheaving everything.. even some Qun aligned one.. better yet, a Qun aligned Sarrebas, who also hogs on the Well of Mythal

 

... Where was I? If they can't even take that seriously, then a Qunari should come out of a cave and upheave Tevinter too. And all the magisters fellate them for it. That's how stupid this setting is getting.

[Shechinah]

Indeed. I'm not saying that multiple race won't work in DA4. Just that I have concern that they might use the situation after Trespasser/Solas' actions to cut off some races.

 

I'm kind of hoping they will not and trying to maintain optimism about it because there would be a lot of interesting angles in the Tevinter Imperium setting for each non-human race: the elves for the Solas plot, the qunari for the Qunari plot and the dwarves because of the Ambassadoria.    

 

I thought Dragon Age: Inquisition improved on some aspects of racial selection and was worth it but I recognise that racial selection is likely always going to be a thing that has it's value discussed and debated.
 

[The Elder King]

I think you're relying too much on meta information. The game wouldn't present any of that in that way.

Let's just take the real example of how the Inquisitor was deceived by Solas all throughout the base game. We only had limited information on which to go on, and the various interactions with Solas himself. If you counted Solas as a friend before the final post-credit reveal did you feel like a fool then? Why would you if you had no reason to distrust him?

 

(This, of course, does not apply to those players that were suspicious of him all along, whom I know exist.)

I don't feel as a fool for trusting Solas, since I was given limited information. My characters absolutely can, if they trust him completely, and depending on their personality.

The problem is that Solas already said his plan might have negative effects on people in thedas, elves included. I just don't think Bioware will make this choice based on this.

I won't have problem in making characters who join him though . They don't have the same knowledge I have after all.

[straykat]

I'm kind of hoping they will not and trying to maintain optimism about it because there would be a lot of interesting angles in the Tevinter Imperium setting for each non-human race: the elves for the Solas plot, the qunari for the Qunari plot and the dwarves because of the Ambassadoria.    

 

I thought Dragon Age: Inquisition improved on some aspects of racial selection and was worth it but I recognise that racial selection is likely always going to be a thing which value will be discussed and debated.
 

 

No, no.. there shall be no origins or interesting angles. It should be like DAI and TES. Literally dug out of a ditch. A prisoner.

[The Elder King]

I'm kind of hoping they will not and trying to maintain optimism about it because there would be a lot of interesting angles in the Tevinter Imperium setting for each non-human race: the elves for the Solas plot, the qunari for the Qunari plot and the dwarves because of the Ambassadoria.    

 

I thought Dragon Age: Inquisition improved on some aspects of racial selection and was worth it but I recognise that racial selection is likely always going to be a thing that has it's value discussed and debated.
 

I do want them to continue on improving on race options, though I don't think it was necessarily an improvement over DAO. Something was done better, something else not.  

Hopefully Bioware decides to improve on that work.

[Shechinah]

I doubt the Tevinter PC will have a position of power. Rather, I expect them to be sponsored by Dorian and possibly run a covert group rather than a publically visible position of power.

 

Which is my great hope because that sounds awesome.
 

[straykat]

It wasn't even close to DAO.

 

To this day, people still talk about their DAO origins and how they relate or build on them. DAI is a joke.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

In DA 2 being Human, while limiting, made the most sense. I imagine that they might, I emphasize might do the same for Tevinter. Just because we are human though doesn't mean that life will be easy, we'll probably be a slave and have to earn our way to the top.

Well if they're gonna end up a slave anyway, then racial options wouldn't be an issue, I'd think.

[The Elder King]

No, no.. there shall be no origins or interesting angles. It should be like DAI and TES. Literally dug out of a ditch. A prisoner.

It'd have been much better if they made a prologue where, other then exploring the situation of the meeting, you could've explored a bit your background. 

Hopefully in their next games they do make a prologue of some kind.

[Shechinah]

No, no.. there shall be no origins or interesting angles. It should be like DAI and TES. Literally dug out of a ditch. A prisoner.

 

Personally, I'm hoping for slave or indentured servant origin with it predominantly relying on dialogue options to flesh out the past with personal quest(s) along the way but that is my hope and I know it is not one shared by everybody.  

 

I could see the indentured servant origin working even with dwarves since there is bound to be outcasts and those deemed undesirables by the Ambassadoria.

[The Elder King]

It wasn't even close to DAO.

 

To this day, people still talk about their DAO origins and how they relate or build on them. DAI is a joke.

That was the part where they lost in the race choice compared to DAO. I do understand that making so many origins requires a lot of resources, but a single prologue with some differences based on your race choice that would explore your background a bit would've been a good compromise.

[nightscrawl]

OK straykat, we get it, you hate DAI.

 

 

I'm kind of hoping they will not and trying to maintain optimism about it because there would be a lot of interesting angles in the Tevinter Imperium setting for each non-human race: the elves for the Solas plot, the qunari for the Qunari plot and the dwarves because of the Ambassadoria.   
 

 

Part of the reason that the multiple races suffered in DAI was that they were added only after an extra year of development time was gained. If they go the multi-race route again, I'm hoping that they will know about it from the get-go and be able to develop the game from the ground up with that in mind.

 

I say this as someone that has no personal stake in this, as I play humans, but I think having that differentiation is important if you're going to have the multi-races available.

 

 

I don't feel as a fool for trusting Solas, since I was given limited information. My characters absolutely can, if they trust him completely, and depending on their personality.

The problem is that Solas already said his plan might have negative effects on people in thedas, elves included. I just don't think Bioware will make this choice based on this.

I won't have problem in making characters who join him though . They don't have the same knowledge I have after all.

 

I suppose I don't see how it's a problem for you if you are also able to make a character and RP them satisfactorily. The two thoughts seem contradictory to me.

[Qun00]

How about a Tevinter noble origin?