But they give you a choice if you want to be part of the Qun and people come at their own will to be a part of a society that gives them a purpose in life.
Its not really a choice when they labotomize you if you don't submit, man.
EDIT: Argh thread catch up again. why are you guys so prolific?
to me it is merely cause you believe it so ardently(not knocking you view mind you you'll learn to laugh with my satire a humour)I assure you it's not an amusement. But everything what she said is true I mean look how the elves have fallen after slavery from the Imperium and how it affects them socially, economically, spiritually, and mentally.
Modern slavery differs from the Roman mainly because of wonky mystical reasons. The European slave trade justified themselves with the "curse of Ham". And so did even the Muslim slave trade some dealt with.
As bad as the Romans were, it was all business to them. This was far more insidious.. and it led to the American Civil war... where the whole South still followed this belief.
The American Civil War was fought for economic reason on the same level (if not more) then the religious one though.
Because they have every right to be. Isolationists rather live and help their own people than diverse and "get along" with the people who destroyed them. I don't blame the Dalish shooting humans on sight I give them extra arrows!
*sigh* My Dalish cjaracters would kick the ass of those dalish for their foolish actions. Fueling humans (which are advantaged in both numbers and equipment) to strike back to the dalish clans is moronic, at best.
cause I'm awsome and * gives flurry of vain compliments to myself*Its not really a choice when they labotomize you if you don't submit, man.
EDIT: Argh thread catch up again.why are you guys so prolific?
Like humans enslave elves?I don't have time to see the video right now so I can't comment on what it says, but slavery existed from ancient times. DA isn't referring to a specific enslavement of a group of people.
starting to think sev wants a elven mass suicideThe American Civil War was fought for economic reason on the same level (if not more) then the religious one though.
*sigh* My Dalish cjaracters would kick the ass of those dalish for their foolish actions. Fueling humans (which are advantaged in both numbers and equipment) to strike back to the dalish clans is moronic, at best.
Like humans enslave elves?
Nah, like humans enslaves other humans, other then elves. Or did you forget Tevinter has both human and elven slaves?
So you beat them into a pulp for defending their tribe from humans who want to do harm? Come on.The American Civil War was fought for economic reason on the same level (if not more) then the religious one though.
*sigh* My Dalish cjaracters would kick the ass of those dalish for their foolish actions. Fueling humans (which are advantaged in both numbers and equipment) to strike back to the dalish clans is moronic, at best.
starting to think sev wants a elven mass suicide
sev?
The American Civil War was fought for economic reason on the same level (if not more) then the religious one though.
*sigh* My Dalish cjaracters would kick the ass of those dalish for their foolish actions. Fueling humans (which are advantaged in both numbers and equipment) to strike back to the dalish clans is moronic, at best.
I know that gets repeated a lot, but it was declared for the reasons I stated. This is Alexander Stephen's speech that declared the break. It's all about their warped beliefs.
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the ****** is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning.
And qunari and possibly yet introduced racesNah, like humans enslaves other humans, other then elves. Or did you forget Tevinter has both human and elven slaves?
n7phantom everyone who amuses me gets a nickname whether it's cruel or mean depends on how much candy I have honestlysev?
So you beat them into a pulp for defending their tribe from humans who want to do harm? Come on.
You can warn them to not come near your territory. Beside, you're assuming every humans who come near a dalish clan wants to harm them, or have even the idea that the clan is located in that area. Killing humans on sight, which would mean you'd kill innocent humans, who weren't going to harm the dalish, mean that the humans will strike back. And humans are more numerous then the dalish. So yeah, I'd kick their ass since they'd put the whole clan in danger.
And I won't beat them into a pulp. That's an exaggeration.
I didn't forget about it. But why every human nation hates elves and elves are in a constant state of oppression? Why the elves deserve to be hated and they've done nothing to anyone globally?Nah, like humans enslaves other humans, other then elves. Or did you forget Tevinter has both human and elven slaves?
I know that gets repeated a lot, but it was declared for the reasons I stated. This is Alexander Stephen's speech that declared the break. It's all about their warped beliefs.
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the ****** is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning.
I'm not disputing they did belives the white men were superior to the black people. I'm just saying this things (like wars in general) generally have behind an economical reason, which is often masked by another type (religious is the most used).
Historically, most slaves have always been taken through captives in warfare. My professors would tell you that this is critical in understanding the internal logic of slavery: slaves are war booty. A slave is deprived of all previous social context and status, debased in what is called a "social death", as part of the act of conquest. Exactly how much social status they can gain in their new society differed from place to place. In Rome, slaves could hold surprisingly high status in the imperial bureaucracy and could hold skilled professions like physicians. Those who were worked to death were mostly those sentenced to slavery as punishment for some crime.Modern slavery differs from the Roman mainly because of wonky mystical reasons. The European slave trade justified themselves with the "curse of Ham". And so did even the Muslim slave trade they dealt with.
As bad as the Romans were, it was all business to them.
making them have to her their own switch and self flogg seem a fair for a first offenseYou can warn them to not come near your territory. Beside, you're assuming every humans who come near a dalish clan wants to harm them, or have even the idea that the clan is located in that area. Killing humans on sight, which would mean you'd kill innocent humans, who weren't going to harm the dalish, mean that the humans will strike back. And humans are more numerous then the dalish. So yeah, I'd kick their ass since they'd put the whole clan in danger.
And I won't beat them into a pulp. That's an exaggeration.
I don't blame the Dalish for being that way.
But if that's the case, I'd prefer they not be playable races in DAI either. You can't be a grumpy Dalish this way. No Velanna types for sure.
Ultimately though I'd prefer a Divine Leliana making inroads. Something like that. There used to be a bridge between the two. I don't find it all that cool to perpetuate violence for eternity. Fun's fun, but for heaven's sake.
^ thisI don't blame the Dalish for being that way.
But if that's the case, I'd prefer they not be playable races in DAI either. You can't be a grumpy Dalish this way. No Velanna types for sure.
Ultimately though I'd prefer a Divine Leliana making inroads. Something like that. There used to be a bridge between the two. I don't find it all that cool to perpetuate violence for eternity. Fun's fun, but for heaven's sake.
Historically, most slaves have always been taken through captives in warfare. My professors would tell you that this is critical in understanding the internal logic of slavery: slaves are war booty. A slave is deprived of all previous social context and status, debased in what is called a "social death", as part of the act of conquest. Exactly how much social status they can gain in their new society differed from place to place. In Rome, slaves could hold surprisingly high status in the imperial bureaucracy and could hold skilled professions like physicians. Those who were worked to death were mostly those sentenced to slavery as punishment for some crime.
But it was next to impossible to ever view these new type of slaves as "possibly freed", when you justify it in this way.
Even after Caesar conquered Gaul and he and his soldiers enslaved them, some of the Gauls were still citizens of rome.. or made such. There wasn't anything inherently negative about them.
I imagine Tevinter is similar. To an extent at least. They still have that whole focus on bloodlines and such.
So you think diversity will solve the problem?I don't blame the Dalish for being that way.
But if that's the case, I'd prefer they not be playable races in DAI either. You can't be a grumpy Dalish this way. No Velanna types for sure.
Ultimately though I'd prefer a Divine Leliana making inroads. Something like that. There used to be a bridge between the two. I don't find it all that cool to perpetuate violence for eternity. Fun's fun, but for heaven's sake.
I didn't forget about it. But why every human nation hates elves and elves are in a constant state of oppression? Why the elves deserve to be hated and they've done nothing to anyone globally?
Because of the war between Orlais and the Dales. Where the elves demonstrated they wouldn't do much better then the humans are doing to the elves given the chance. Wars often had those results. For an historical example, After the third punic war the Romans wiped out Carthage, killed the males and sold the rest in slavery.
I'm not saying what the humans are doing to the elves is right or good. At all. I'm opposed to the treatment of elves in both tevinter and southern thedas. But humans in Thedas don't single out elves in this regard. Tevinter enslaves people from other countries. Orlais' nobles rule over the peasant and can do whatever they want with them. So as I disagree with all this (And other crap that happen in thedas) I disagree with the dalish going extreme on humans (thankfully, most of the clans arent' so stupid to kill humans on sight).
Beside, it's a stupid thing to do for the dalish's survival, since humans would retaliate and annihilate them,
I would warn them first but if they persist I kill them.You can warn them to not come near your territory. Beside, you're assuming every humans who come near a dalish clan wants to harm them, or have even the idea that the clan is located in that area. Killing humans on sight, which would mean you'd kill innocent humans, who weren't going to harm the dalish, mean that the humans will strike back. And humans are more numerous then the dalish. So yeah, I'd kick their ass since they'd put the whole clan in danger.
And I won't beat them into a pulp. That's an exaggeration.
I don't blame the Dalish for being that way.
But if that's the case, I'd prefer they not be playable races in DAI either. You can't be a grumpy Dalish this way. No Velanna types for sure.
Ultimately though I'd prefer a Divine Leliana making inroads. Something like that. There used to be a bridge between the two. I don't find it all that cool to perpetuate violence for eternity. Fun's fun, but for heaven's sake.
The thing is, while dalish aren't certainly kind to humans, they don't (most of the times) kill humans on sight. That's far too extreme, and stupid for their own survival.
But it was next to impossible to ever view these new type of slaves as "possibly freed", when you justify it in this way.
Even after Caesar conquered Gaul and he and his soldiers enslaved them, some of the Gauls were still citizens of rome.. or made such. There wasn't anything inherently negative about them.
I imagine Tevinter is similar. To an extent at least. They still have that whole focus on bloodlines and such.
It depends on the populations. Some weren't as 'fortunate'.
I would warn them first but if they persist I kill them.
That's a different thing then kill them on first sight, since the latter would mean you won't even give them the chance to explain or run away.
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