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[Heimdall]

But it was next to impossible to ever view these new type of slaves as "possibly freed", when you justify it in this way.

Even after Caesar conquered Gaul and he and his soldiers enslaved them, some of the Gauls were still citizens of rome.. or made such. There wasn't anything inherently negative about them.

I imagine Tevinter is similar.

That's because this slavery wasn't based around the idea that the enslaved people was inferior, just beaten. They could be "redeemed" from that status as proper Roman subjects. The Romans would sentence their own people to slavery as punishment for certain crimes, it didn't mean they saw themselves as lesser.

The popularity of the idea that the other people must be inferior on some biological or essential level (As opposed to holding incorrect beliefs or some such) is a relatively new one.

[straykat]

So you think diversity will solve the problem?

 

Not exactly. People need to retain their cultures and identities, yet still get along. Maybe that IS diversity though. I just don't like the idea of people getting along, but not actually taking about things and being themselves.

[straykat]

That's because this slavery wasn't based around the idea that the enslaved people was inferior, just beaten. The Romans would sentence their own people to slavery as punishment for high crimes, it didn't mean they saw them as lesser.

The idea that the other people must be inferior on some biological level (As opposed to holding incorrect beliefs or some such) is a relatively new one.

 

Agreed. That's all I was trying to say.

 

And as bad as the Romans were, I think the newer forms of slavery were worse.

[Heimdall]

Agreed. That's all I was trying to say.

And as bad as the Romans were, I think the newer forms of slavery were worse.

They were, though they did take some inspiration from Roman forms of slavery, like the idea that a slave's child should follow the condition of the mother. They actually looked at the old Roman slave codes for ideas.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Because of the war between Orlais and the Dales. Where the elves demonstrated they wouldn't do much better then the humans are doing to the elves given the chance. Wars often had those results. For an historical example, After the third punic war the Romans wiped out Carthage, killed the males and sold the rest in slavery.
I'm not saying what the humans are doing to the elves is right or good. At all. I'm opposed to the treatment of elves in both tevinter and southern thedas. But humans in Thedas don't single out elves in this regard. Tevinter enslaves people from other countries. Orlais' nobles rule over the peasant and can do whatever they want with them. So as I disagree with all this (And other crap that happen in thedas) I disagree with the dalish going extreme on humans (thankfully, most of the clans arent' so stupid to kill humans on sight).
Beside, it's a stupid thing to do for the dalish's survival, since humans would retaliate and annihilate them,

But look at the Dalish Elves' perspective all their lives they have been hunted, killed, and raped by humans. They just want to be left alone and try to gather and preserve their lost culture, now I avoid a fight but if they are going to harm my tribe I will kill them.

[raging_monkey]

Not exactly. People need to retain their cultures and identities, yet still get along. Maybe that IS diversity though. I just don't like the idea of people getting along, but not actually taking about things and being themselves.

agreed everybody's toilet smells

[The Elder King]

Agreed. That's all I was trying to say.

 

And as bad as the Romans were, I think the newer forms of slavery were worse.

On an ideological level, with difference in how Romans and the newer forms see slavery yes. On what they actually did, I think it the worst cases it was on the same leve, though there were a good aumont of slaves in Romans that were in a good 'position' (plus the opportunity to be freed and become automatically a Roman citizen).

[The Elder King]

But look at the Dalish Elves' perspective all their lives they have been hunted, killed, and raped by humans. They just want to be left alone and try to gather and preserve their lost culture, now I avoid a fight but if they are going to harm my tribe I will kill them.

Again, I'm not saying this is wrong. Your first post gave a different impression.

[raging_monkey]

So any ideas on how the circles function. Its said they are academies but there are other schools and private tutors curious how those function

[Heimdall]

But look at the Dalish Elves' perspective all their lives they have been hunted, killed, and raped by humans. They just want to be left alone and try to gather and preserve their lost culture, now I avoid a fight but if they are going to harm my tribe I will kill them.

Depends on the clan. Clan Lavellan apparently maintained fairly positive relationships with the humans it traded with.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Not exactly. People need to retain their cultures and identities, yet still get along. Maybe that IS diversity though. I just don't like the idea of people getting along, but not actually taking about things and being themselves.

I think separation between people is the best solution obviously because people don't know how to get along and fighting each other.

[The Elder King]

I'm curious to see or read in codexes how the system work as well.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Depends on the clan. Clan Lavellan apparently maintained fairly positive relationships with the humans it traded with.

If it were up to me I only trade with other elves and dwarves.

[Seraphim24]

The Romans were pretty evil, all things considered.

 

I kind of think of them as like the bog standard for evil in many ways, to be honest.

[straykat]

I think separation between people is the best solution obviously because people don't know how to get along and fighting each other.

 

I just can't believe that. It'd be like denying my own existence.

 

My dad is a 6'7" Scandinavian, my mom is 5'0 Thai woman... and I grew up around military families, where there were kids of all kinds of backgrounds. I had problems outside of this, but the fact that I know it can work keeps me from being too cynical.

 

The military thing was a big difference especially probably. It's a different type of culture on it's own.

 

I don't mean to get too focused on real life, but it can shape how I'd see an alternate world too.

[raging_monkey]

I'm curious to see or read in codexes how the system work as well.

wot2 first mentioned it. Would it be like home schooling or just like a public school.

Of we use the

Circles= ivy league college

Other academies not circle ran = community college

Private tutor = trade school

Idea

[straykat]

wot2 first mentioned it. Would it be like home schooling or just like a public school.

Of we use the

Circles= ivy league college

Other academies not circle ran = community college

Private tutor = trade school

Idea

 

Clearly, trade schools are better.

[raging_monkey]

Clearly, trade schools are better.

hehe idk that paper is important lol but ideas how it acually works

[straykat]

BTW, the Dalish have even more reason to branch out... assuming they don't remain ignorant. There's no point to them holding to the same stories. Their gods are crap. lol

 

Seriously.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I just can't believe that. It'd be like denying my own existence.

My dad is a 6'7" Scandinavian, my mom is 5'0 Thai woman... and grew up around military families, where there were kids of all kinds of backgrounds. I had problems outside of this, but the fact that I know it can work keeps me from being too cynical.

The military thing was a big difference especially probably. It's a different type of culture on it's own.

I'm talking about on a global level not individually. People should get themselves together on a social level and a whole lot of other things before they take that step.

[Seraphim24]

I'm talking about on a global level not individually. People should get themselves together on a social level and a whole lot of other things before they take that step.

 

Eh I think many already have? I've never seen people more inter-connected via social media, computers, technology, or even just in the good ole geographic literal sense.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

BTW, the Dalish have even more reason to branch out... assuming they don't remain ignorant. There's no point to them holding to the same stories. Their gods are crap. lol

Seriously.

But how would they know? They don't know the whole story about what happened with Arlathan and the gods.

[straykat]

I'm talking about on a global level not individually. People should get themselves together on a social level and a whole lot of other things before they take that step.

 

I have no interest in the global level myself though. That's for the Qunari and other idealists, as I said

 

National is almost big enough for me to wrap my head around.

 

And this world shouldn't need to think so big anyways. There's no internet.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Depends on the clan. Clan Lavellan apparently maintained fairly positive relationships with the humans it traded with.

Yeah. Some clans get along relatively well with humans, some have a "We won't bug you, you don't bug us" relationship with humans, and some are little more than bandits that attack human settlements and caravans. 

[straykat]

But how would they know? They don't know the whole story about what happened with Arlathan and the gods.

 

I'll leave it up to Bioware, I guess.

 

It'd be even more pathetic if they perpetuated it indefinitely, without knowing.