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[The Elder King]

The context for vallaslin being slave marks doesn't exist anymore and it still doesn't change the fact that each vallaslin had always represented a particular god. Symbols change. They don't need to adopt a pathetic defeatist attitude and do away with it.

Tha might true, but it'll still be a shock. At least that's my opinion.

 

If there wasn't already so much magic, it'd be more stupefying.

 

But ho hum.... and all that.

Nobody has or had that power as far as they know though. It was something they never saw. 

But I understand your point.

[straykat]

Oh, besides that, I think the whole manipulating the fade thing was concocted in some marketer's mind too.

 

They wanted some glowy graphics like the Dragonborn.

 

 

And if you listen to the concept artists, the helmet was the only thing they didn't design. The marketing department sent it to them. It was insisted to be the main "look". Once again, someone higher up looking for an iconic helmet, like Skyrim. The whole thing comes off like that to me.

 

But I've railed against this enough.

[Vit246]

O____o

 

I can't even.

 

 

Edit: Yes, I can even. This is an extremely close minded point of view. It's because of views like this that Red Crossing was such a disaster. Because a group of Dalish could never accept that a human and elf could get along, let alone fall in love, conflict was ignited that left the elves with heavy casualties.

 

Isolationism and ignorant antagonism will get you absolutely nowhere, both in Dragon Age and in real life. You do your argument no credit with such baseless assertions.

 

It was not as simple as humans and elves getting along. It was also a Dalish soldier who possessed military information and the fear that he might give it up voluntarily or under torture by Orlesians who see an opportunity.

[The Elder King]

Oh, besides that, I think the whole manipulating the fade thing was concocted in some marketer's mind too.

 

They wanted some glowy graphics like the Dragonborn.

 

 

And if you listen to the concept artists, the helmet was the only thing they didn't design. The marketing department sent it to them. It was insisted to be the main "look". Once again, someone higher up looking for an iconic helmet, like Skyrim. The whole thing comes off like that to me.

 

But I've railed against this enough.

Heh, Skyrim was an influence on the open world system and the iconic helmet, but I'm not sure on the Anchor's power. If I recall DAI's plot was actually thought before DA2's, and was postponed (which probably means Corypheus was used in DA2's dlc as an introduction).

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

It's like Europeans should be friends with PoC despite the bloody history and say "let's get along"!

Um, yeah. They should. I mean, everyone becoming friendly enough that they stop killing and hurting each other is the goal. ... That is the goal, right? We're all on the same page here on that at least???

 

Funnily though, even Solas is open to the idea of the Maker.

I do love that Weekes and Gaider threw that banter in there. I mean, when you think about it, it makes perfect sense Solas might be open to the idea of a higher power, cus he knows darn well he and his cohort weren't gods. Not in any true sense, anyway. I just love that this conversation happened to confirm that.

 

 

The Romans did borrow a lot from the greeks, but they weren't without their own cultural developments and contributed to the western philosophical tradition.  Amongst other things including no shortage of architectural and administrative achievements that formed the basis of western traditions of architecture and law.

 

I have difficulty applying the term "evil" or other types of judgement because that would be applying my 21st century western liberal sense of morality to people that could not possibly have shared the same understanding.

Yeah, what Heimdall said.

 

EDIT: Ha! 8 replies while I was replying but I'm caught up

[straykat]

Heh, Skyrim was an influence on the open world system and the iconic helmet, but I'm not sure on the Anchor's power. If I recall DAI's plot was actually thought before DA2's, and was postponed (which probably means Corypheus was used in DA2's dlc as an introduction).

 

It actually reminds me more of oblivion, but whatever.

 

Lets just say I would have been happier with more Inquisitor and less Herald. And more Mage/Temp war and politics. Not just wowing everyone with my awesomeness. I don't need it. I don't want it.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Um, yeah. They should. I mean, everyone becoming friendly enough that they stop killing and hurting each other is the goal. ... That is the goal, right? We're all on the same page here on that at least???

It's not that simple.

[The Elder King]

It actually reminds me more of oblivion, but whatever.

 

Lets just say I would have been happier with more Inquisitor and less Herald. And more Mage/Temp war and politics. Not just wowing everyone with my awesomeness. I don't need it. I don't want it.

I do agree with this. Though the idea of building up a powerful organization in Thedas was stil  really appealing to me .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The context for vallaslin being slave marks doesn't exist anymore and it still doesn't change the fact that each vallaslin had always represented a particular god. Symbols change. They don't need to adopt a pathetic defeatist attitude and do away with it.

I know. I just find the irony of the meaning then and the meaning now to be hilarious. Especially after all the lectures and condescension I got for not wanting them. 

[straykat]

I do agree with this. Though the idea of building up a powerful organization in Thedas was stil  really appealing to me .

 

That appeals to me.. I just thought the ladder to success would be different. Especially coming off DA2.

 

I hope Tevinter goes back to that.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

The context for vallaslin being slave marks doesn't exist anymore and it still doesn't change the fact that each vallaslin had always represented a particular god. Symbols change. They don't need to adopt a pathetic defeatist attitude and do away with it.

Both of you are right. Its ironic (and slightly funny, c'mon) that the vallaslin were slave markings way back when. But they don't mean that now. The meaning has been repurposed. This is the reason my Lavellan decided to keep her vallaslin. It'd be better if the vallaslin going from slave marking to cultural pride symbol was done on purpose, with full knowledge of what the marks used to be, but c'est la vie at this point in time.

[raging_monkey]

That would surely be a major shock once it'll be discovered.
I kind of wish I was here after release to see the reaction to many of the reveals in both the main game and the various dlcs.

nothing much bw bashing, sjw pandering, hurrdurr sure I'm white grr, never buy a bioware game again unless used. , haha suck it delish fans. Uh.. Protemplars/ chantry technically won the the fan wars. Nope nothing much usual fan fan b@$:!ing

[The Elder King]

That appeals to me.. I just thought the ladder to success would be different. Especially coming off DA2.

 

I hope Tevinter goes back to that.

Well, in any case I doubt we'll be once again a religious figure to worship .

[straykat]

It's funny that they hinted at this long ago. If you notice, there's more Fen'Harel symbolism associated with the City Elves. Like the mother's dagger. Or their tradition of tricksters. And the name Tabris meant "Angel of Free Will". They are the descendants of the liberated, and probably shed themselves of those gods long ago.

[raging_monkey]

It's not that simple.

it really is honestly

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

it really is honestly

Why?

[The Elder King]

nothing much bw bashing, sjw pandering, hurrdurr sure I'm white grr, never buy a bioware game again unless used. , haha suck it delish fans. Uh.. Protemplars/ chantry technically won the the fan wars. Nope nothing much usual fan fan b@$:!ing

how did the chantry fans won the war though? i mean, dalish fans got screwed on the reveal of the true nature of the elven gods and arlathan (TME already glimpsed on this), but their faith turns out to be somehow true. The Andrastian faith is revealed to be at least wrong in a major aspect (the fade creation).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

how did the chantry fans won the war though? i mean, dalish fans got screwed on the reveal of the true nature of the elven gods and arlathan (TME already glimpsed on this), but their faith turns out to be somehow true. The Andrastian faith is revealed to be at least wrong in a major aspect (the fade creation).

The Fade being created by Solas wasn't learned until Trespasser. I believe they were referring to the vanilla game. 

[Seraphim24]

Fen'Harel I think was basically Loki

 

http://mythology.wikia.com/wiki/Loki

 

I mean, not identical once again, but clear inspiration, and all that.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I'm sure many would contest this (given the contrast in strict legal systems) but it actually has a striking element in Anglo-Saxon England as well as pieces of America IMHO, although it not present in the same way.

Italy, Germany, Spain, France, England, the US, the rest of north, south and central america, australia, etc. Basically, you know, western civilization. And just b/c the nations later put their own spins on the influence doesn't diminish the fact that Rome was the influence.

 

Also the roman structure had a good deal of influence over how the catholic church's own canon law ended up being structured, which in turn influenced the western civilization above during the middle ages and beyond, possibly moreso than Rome itself.

 

Rome is more than just a latin rip-off of Greece.

[Heimdall]

There's nothing more 21st century liberal than the concept of relativism, my concept of "evil" and moral judgments comes from somewhere else entirely, it seems to me, although so we're area, is IMO.

 

And they pretty were without any cultural developments, what was their philosophical tradition? Stocism? The notion of, stocisim? Not sure I'm with ya there..

 

Or Neoplatonism... er?

 

Their architectural achievements were mostly just kind of a maxed out version of Greek ones, as well, just a change in scale.

Like I said, they continued to develop philosophies that originated in Greece, though they certainly contributed to a tradition that continued in the Byzantine east and ultimately was transmitted back to western Europe.  Also, are you really arguing that Romans had no culture?  It's true that they adopted the greek pantheon and greatly admired greek philosophy, but that's not the same as simply replacing their own identity.

 

No, they weren't.

[straykat]

Fen'Harel I think was basically Loki

 

http://mythology.wikia.com/wiki/Loki

 

I mean, not identical once again, but clear inspiration, and all that.

 

For sure. But there are tricksters in almost every culture. Some Native Americans have the Coyote.. which I like especially.

 

Problem with Solas is he doesn't live up to it. He doesn't seem to like the people he freed.

[The Elder King]

The Fade being created by Solas wasn't learned until Trespasser. I believe they were referring to the vanilla game. 

Well, I mentioned both the vanilla game and dlcs reveals on the post monkey quoted, so I thought he was talking in general, not specifically the vanilla game.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

It's not that simple.

It is that simple. Its just not easily accomplished.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

It is that simple. Its just not easily accomplished.

If you think we should get along, then tell me why.