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[Hanako Ikezawa]

For sure. But there are tricksters in almost every culture. Some Native Americans have the Coyote.. which I like especially.

Well, he is a super genius. One can't help but like that. 

[Heimdall]

If you think we should get along, then tell me why.

So we don't kill one another?

 

Separation with no attempt to get along only results in suspicion, alienation, and hatred.

[Seraphim24]

Like I said, they continued to develop philosophies that originated in Greece, though they certainly contributed to a tradition that continued in the Byzantine east and ultimately was transmitted back to western Europe.  Also, are you really arguing that Romans had no culture?  It's true that they adopted the greek pantheon and greatly admired greek philosophy, but that's not the same as simply replacing their own identity.

 

No, they weren't.

 

I'm not really sure what the "No, they weren't" is a reference to, but no, I didn't say they had "no culture,"

 

Just like, really minimal levels.

 

My point wasn't really about degree of absorption or spitting out vis a vis the other places so much as just the fact the tenor of Rome was just like generic conquest and dominion. They spent literally like 250 years doing nothing but churning through Iberia or whatever.

 

So much for the "thinking," they were at war like all the time, everywhere, at least after the demise of the republic.

 

It wasn't this excessively malicious conquest (mostly?), I guess, sure, but they treated that sort of thing as a "norm" which is kinda bizzare in the grand sense of things.

[straykat]

On a sidenote, I made my CE a redhead... like the red wolves here in the South. But they get mistaken for Coyotes.

[raging_monkey]

Why?

Hehe It's purely learning to love Thy enemy of you allow me to be hyperbolic. Anyway the point suggested was basically "get along" all that must be done imo is simply compromise regarding x cultures and y opinions. But no humans are a silly creature and must be right. Compromising is only bad when W party is too bullheaded to kiss and say fine and move on.

It's that simple it's the process that people fight.

Ancestrally and personal I should have a big of a axe to grind like hours maybe even bigger. But by following the point above just better articulated I found you can overcome your grievances. Again not saying it was easy but that's my 2 Cents.

* whispers* you per me 4

[Seraphim24]

For sure. But there are tricksters in almost every culture. Some Native Americans have the Coyote.. which I like especially.

 

Problem with Solas is he doesn't live up to it. He doesn't seem to like the people he freed.

 

Yes but tied to a Pantheon? (Evanuris) and all that, seems like they were angling for that, but yeah I'd also see him as not very, well whatever I don't know I'm just aimlessly typing at this point.

 

Unless Wile E. Coyote is part of a pantheon.

[raging_monkey]

Well, I mentioned both the vanilla game and dlcs reveals on the post monkey quoted, so I thought he was talking in general, not specifically the vanilla game.

Just the past 2 year need and the chantboys won by affliation of the temps fanbase

[straykat]

At this point, getting along is just practical. WW1 changed everything... Like gigantic shells have a way of doing that that swords don't.

 

Of course, we didn't learn, so Fate had us experience WW2 just to convince again. Afterwards, Nuclear weapons change everything. Being too much of an ass just isn't very productive. Unless you can keep it local. But then, that's just crapping in your own nest. So not productive either (see Syria).

[raging_monkey]

So we don't kill one another?

Separation with no attempt to get along only results in suspicion, alienation, and hatred.

thinks that's partly what have Germany the edge back in ww2

[The Elder King]

Just the past 2 year need and the chantboys won by affliation of the temps fanbase

Heh, I see don't see why they'd celebrate after the last reveals, but fair enough.

[Seraphim24]

At this point, getting along is just practical. WW1 changed everything... Like gigantic shells have a way of doing that that swords don't.

 

Of course, we didn't learn, so Fate had us experience WW2 just to convince again. Afterwards, Nuclear weapons change everything. Being too much of an ass just isn't very productive. Unless you can keep it local. But then, that's just crapping in your own nest. So not productive either (see Syria).

 

I really just see WW1 was just one of the most recent in a string of world wars, 7 years, 30 years, Spanish Succession, Austrian Succession, Hundred Years, every century another big conflict, they just got bigger and bigger is all.

 

Getting along was always practical though, IMO. The only real winners in all those wars are the ones who didn't fight, or at least, didn't want to, or failing that, didn't really want to.

[straykat]

I would still swing to the Andrastian direction because she was a badass liberator. I don't know how much of the Chant is accurate, but her mark on history seems to be real. Unless someone tells me she was a slaver, I probably won't change much.

[raging_monkey]

Heh, I see don't see why they'd celebrate after the last reveals, but fair enough.

well to be fair it was the nutjobs in all fandom that went rabid and made it moderately difficult to support said fandom. And honestly the fan b@$!#ing Just snowballed into a cluster@$!#

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Hehe It's purely learning to love Thy enemy of you allow me to be hyperbolic. Anyway the point suggested was basically "get along" all that must be done imo is simply compromise regarding x cultures and y opinions. But no humans are a silly creature and must be right. Compromising is only bad when W party is too bullheaded to kiss and say fine and move on.

It's that simple it's the process that people fight.

Ancestrally and personal I should have a big of a axe to grind like hours maybe even bigger. But by following the point above just better articulated I found you can overcome your grievances. Again not saying it was easy but that's my 2 Cents.

* whispers* you per me 4

So you will love your enemy despite what evil they've done? Your enemy commited genocide, slavery, murderer, and all the horrible thing to a people they unleashed upon and won, you love your enemy still?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

It's funny that they hinted at this long ago. If you notice, there's more Fen'Harel symbolism associated with the City Elves. Like the mother's dagger. Or their tradition of tricksters. And the name Tabris meant "Angel of Free Will". They are the descendants of the liberated, and probably shed themselves of those gods long ago.

Why am I out of likes? Dammit.

 

Also, something not often brought up about the Dalish in my experience is that the clans running around right now are all descendants of noble houses from the Dales. Basically the upperclass Dalish mages/the equivalent of Tevinter's altus. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if their ancestors kept some kind of mental/oral record of bloodlines like "my great grandfather x20 was assistant high priest of June back in arlathan" at some point. Even if the specific associations were lost with time, I imagine it was mostly either war heroes or the upper eschelon of slaves who became nobles in the Dales. Its equivalent to the dwarves who are nobles underground still managing to maintain an equivalent of noble status on the surface to me. Of course they weren't gonna submit. It'd have been not only a surrender, but a significant drop in status.

[raging_monkey]

I would still swing to the Andrastian direction because she was a badass liberator. I don't know how much of the Chant is accurate, but her mark on history seems to be real. Unless someone tells me she was a slaver, I probably won't change much.

she was a mage * waits for someone to go rabid*

[straykat]

MMm WW1 was just one of the more recent in a string of world wars, 7 years, 30 years, Spanish Succession, Austrian Succession, Hundred Years, every century another big conflict, they just got bigger and bigger is all.

 

Getting along was always practical though, IMO. The only real winners in all those wars are the ones who didn't fight.

 

Well, I agree actually. The evolution of weaponry was already shocking everyone by the 1850s. Or before. Including the American Civil War.

 

Not that those taught everyone to chill out, but it was already game changing.. already making people war weary. WW1 happened because the guys in charge didn't care about their men. I think. Now even that has changed somewhat.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

So we don't kill one another?

Separation with no attempt to get along only results in suspicion, alienation, and hatred.

You and I both know diversity with "each other" will never work. It never has.

[straykat]

she was a mage * waits for someone to go rabid*

 

If she was, it doesn't make a difference to me. As a person, Gaider based her on Joan of Arc and Jesus... and I bet Boudica, but he didn't say that. The thing that stands out is her fighting slavery.

 

So... that's cool. Mage or not.

[The Elder King]

I would still swing to the Andrastian direction because she was a badass liberator. I don't know how much of the Chant is accurate, but her mark on history seems to be real. Unless someone tells me she was a slaver, I probably won't change much.

Yeah, but your case is a bit different. If they ever reveal the Maker doesn't exist, or worse, he's a distorted version of Fen'harel, it'd be a huge blow for a lot of people.

Same goes if Andraste turns out to be Mythal (it won't happen though).

[Heimdall]

I'm not really sure what the "No, they weren't" is a reference to, but no, I didn't say they had "no culture,"

 

Just like, really minimal levels.

 

My point wasn't really about degree of absorption or spitting out vis a vis the other places so much as just the fact the tenor of Rome was conquest and dominion. They spent literally like 250 years doing nothing but churning through Iberia or whatever.

Yeah, I'm not sure what definition of culture you're using.

 

The Roman empire was based on conquest and assimilating client peoples, that is true.  However, that describes most significant civilizations through history and isn't the sum total of any of them generally.

[raging_monkey]

So you will love your enemy despite what evil they've done? Your enemy commited genocide, slavery, murderer, and all the horrible thing to a people they unleashed upon and won, you love your enemy still?

hehe yes I would I would love them for if I were them I'd would do the same. Now that's not to say I don't defend myself maddness not to. It is better to be the better man rather a bitter man devoid of forgiveness and unwilling to entertain the idea of moving forward taking every failure as merely a error and then striving to remedy that error.

Such is the way of life and people.

Not trying to persuade you merely answering your inquiry

[Seraphim24]

I personally think the Maker is a baker.

[straykat]

Yeah, but your case is a bit different. If they ever reveal the Maker doesn't exist, or worse, he's a distorted version of Fen'harel, it'd be a huge blow for a lot of people.

Same goes if Andraste turns out to be Mythal (it won't happen though).

 

I don't know why she'd be Mythal though. Mythal was dormant wasn't she? And Flemeth found her in the Towers age... well after Andraste.

 

Fen'Harel, I don't know. I don't see anything that screams "Maker". He uses things, but I don't see him as particularly creative or anything. Nothing to fit the archetype of a "maker", I mean. He doesn't even like being in the world, apparently. He reminds me of real eggheads who retreat inside themselves.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So you will love your enemy despite what evil they've done? Your enemy commited genocide, slavery, murderer, and all the horrible thing to a people they unleashed upon and won, you love your enemy still?

I wouldn't hate an entire race of people because of the actions of some of them. 

 

You and I both know diversity with "each other" will never work. It never has.

You mean, other than the countless times in history when it has worked?