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#13551
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Maybe I'm thinking of Duelist. I talked with both of you in the Sera thread back in the day.

 

You know I'm StreetMagic, right? :P

I knew it :P

 

As for the canon, my best experience in DAO (I said this before) was with the HN (I really hope they won't kill him off with DR and he can return to Morrigan and Kieran). I'd like to use dalish for DAI, but I'm not a big fan on the noodles arms. I understand having different body types, but there is a way to make elves slim without going too far. 


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My canon is close to the default... just the genders reversed. And Warden dead. But I made Leliana divine (or plan again). I'd like to see her in Trespasser..

 

Leliana is in Trespasser, even if you make her Divine, all three Divines are. Additionally, if you have Cassandra or Vivienne, you can still have them in your party and they run around in this badass Divine armor that you see instead of whatever gear you have for them (their equipment is still there, the Divine armor is visual only).



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I don't expect you to embrace MLK (it's not easy), but you're full of crap if you say you respect the Civil Rights movement. Because that's what all of them were. Non-violent resistance. You're making no sense when you say you respected it. What you want is bitterness and war and saying you have a "right" to hate. That has nothing to do with Civil Rights. It's lunacy.

I'm still trying to Kat, I'm trying real hard to find peace with them. But it is hard for me and it's never easy.
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I must confess I am curious how Humans actually obtained magic. The Elves apparently always had it, but their disconnection from the Fade diminished them extensively, so how did humans get it? It's mentioned many times that it is an inherited trait, indeed we see many mages have mage children or someone with magic in their family skip a generation and have it occur in their offspring. Maybe the fist humans and elves intermingled and crossbreed with one another until the humans got it from the elves?



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I think it was just natural to them just less prevalent

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Well, since we moved to America..... I think one of the issues with America is that...

 

Spoiler

 

But er that was I guess slightly OT but I blame everyone else :P


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But can we not like... move anywhere outside of Tevinter? This thread has gone way off topic...

 

Also, you guys need to stop letting N7Phantom drag you into these pointless debates.


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But can we not like... move anywhere outside of Tevinter? This thread has gone way off topic...

Also, you guys need to stop letting N7Phantom drag you into these pointless debates.

But someone is wrong on the Internet!

...But yeah, just gonna ignore him from now on.
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Speaking of Tevinter... I'd like to get a more accurate picture of how they worship the Maker. While Dorian is Andrastian, he simply doesn't believe in the Chantry as an institution. Among other things, I'd like to know about the differences between the Chants of Light and so on, other than the obvious "Andraste is a mage" tidbit.

 

Since my Inquisitor is Andrastian as well, and has similar views to Dorian, it would have been fun to pick his brain about it. =/

 

 

I knew it :P

 

As for the canon, my best experience in DAO (I said this before) was with the HN (I really hope they won't kill him off with DR and he can return to Morrigan and Kieran). I'd like to use dalish for DAI, but I'm not a big fan on the noodles arms. I understand having different body types, but there is a way to make elves slim without going too far. 

 

Sera had a great body model. I don't know why they didn't just use her as the template for the female elves.

 

Of course, their whole method of body modeling is wacko (that's a technical term, ya know). Dorian looks pretty robust normally; put him in The Skin that Stalks and he loses muscle mass... wtf. I really, really want them to do something else. But... I am concerned about how it would affect the cinematics. One of the reasons we are able to have cinematics, particularly romance scenes, with so much interaction is because they have those consistent body models to base everything off of. If they didn't know, or couldn't predict, that the human male Inquisitor would be the same height as Dorian for say, a kissing scene, then it would just be weird. Then again, they did have that weird shrink/grow thing anyway...

 

Sigh...


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Yeah the Imperial Chantry sounds more progressive than the Southern Chantry. Mages, men, marriage are all part of the clergy. True it's corrupt but at least they don't try be as sanctimonious and self-righteous as the Orlesian Chantry. 



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Sera has a human body model. I think it's just from when they didn't have extra races and didn't bother. Same with Bull being different than every Qunari.

 

I wouldn't play a Dalish in DAI anyways.. especially a male. I just like the elves as the Warden.


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Yeah the Imperial Chantry sounds more progressive than the Southern Chantry. Mages, men, marriage are all part of the clergy. True it's corrupt but at least they don't try be as sanctimonious and self-righteous as the Orlesian Chantry.

Well, they allow men but they don't allow women, which according to Dorian is mostly just to ****** off the Southern Chantry. They probably justify it with something about the Imperial Divine being a successor to Hessarian.
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Hessarian is cool, but they're just propping up the wrong thing if he's the symbol they're sticking with. They probably don't even care what he represents (the penitent). It's just that he's a magister. It's petty.



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Hessarian is cool, but they're just propping up the wrong thing if he's the symbol they're sticking with. They probably don't even care what he represents (the penitent). It's just that he's a magister. It's petty.

 

It is similar to the Blade of Mercy if you consider the story of how it was used by the Archon Hessarian; "Andraste was burned alive before a crowd of her adherents and enemies alike as an example to all those who challenged the imperium, but showed no distress in her death. It is said that in the prophetess' final moments, the Maker spoke to Hessarian, filling him with guilt and compassion and so he drove his sword through her Heart to put an end to her suffering." - The Wikipedia.

 

The blades fashioned as replicas of Archon Hessarian's blade are used as gifts of honor to be given to those who have performed a service for the Tevinter Imperium and it is not unlikely to think that many were given to thoe who dealt with those who challenged the Tevinter Imperium and likely not in merciful ways. The replicated Blades of Mercy are status symbols with little connection to the original.

 

Interestingly enough, the blade of Archon Hessarian as depicted as covered in the flames of Andraste's pyre is apparently the icon used by the Templar Order. I did not discover this until recently.  


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Speaking of Tevinter... I'd like to get a more accurate picture of how they worship the Maker. While Dorian is Andrastian, he simply doesn't believe in the Chantry as an institution. Among other things, I'd like to know about the differences between the Chants of Light and so on, other than the obvious "Andraste is a mage" tidbit.

 

Since my Inquisitor is Andrastian as well, and has similar views to Dorian, it would have been fun to pick his brain about it. =/

 

 

 

Sera had a great body model. I don't know why they didn't just use her as the template for the female elves.

 

Of course, their whole method of body modeling is wacko (that's a technical term, ya know). Dorian looks pretty robust normally; put him in The Skin that Stalks and he loses muscle mass... wtf. I really, really want them to do something else. But... I am concerned about how it would affect the cinematics. One of the reasons we are able to have cinematics, particularly romance scenes, with so much interaction is because they have those consistent body models to base everything off of. If they didn't know, or couldn't predict, that the human male Inquisitor would be the same height as Dorian for say, a kissing scene, then it would just be weird. Then again, they did have that weird shrink/grow thing anyway...

 

Sigh...

 

 

Sera has a human body model. I think it's just from when they didn't have extra races and didn't bother. Same with Bull being different than every Qunari.

 

I wouldn't play a Dalish in DAI anyways.. especially a male. I just like the elves as the Warden.

Solas, as far as I recall (and I watched a Trespasser video yesterday with him) has a different body type compared to the normale male elf. His arms never seemed that weirdly thin as the other elves.

It's something that I recall can't understand. They did the same thing in DA2. I mean, making their body type different from humans is a good thing in my opinion, and I think having the choice of having PC who aren't necessarily bulky is great (hopefully MEA, with the lack of race options, will have some body types we can pick from, since it seems they intention with DAI with human-only PC was to give some different body types) but they results is ridicolous. 



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Here's an interesting tidbit from Hessarian's page on the Wikipedia; "Most of the high-ranking clergy, including nearly all of the ruling Altus magisters, refused to give up their Old Gods, but the non-mage Soporati class overwhelmingly supported Hessarian, beginning a period known as the Transfiguration."

 

I'm wondering the reason behind the divide since it was specifically noted to be mages and non-mages: was it because of a status that the majority of Soporati mages did not wish to lose or was it because of something more Fade-related?

 

The Altus are, afterall, believed by the Tevinter Imperium to be descendents of dreamers or magisters who held the ability to speak to the Old Gods in the Fade but then again, it was believed that magic was a favor bestowed by the Old Gods and so the Soporati mages would likely not be in favor of trading that interpretation of magic with that of the Chantry.

 

Apparently, there were hostility towards Altus mages in the Tevinter Imperium due to the belief that the Blight was brought about by them. A number of them were even killed as a result during the Transfiguration period. I do wonder if the Tevinter Imperium's insistance that they did not create the Blights might also have been because they were trying to prevent destabilization and infighting.



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I felt Solas' difference in body type was a rather neat detail since it seemed to be because he was from a different time and so had lived under different conditions than those of the modern elves. I believe Abelas and his followers use a similar or same bodytype.



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Here's an interesting tidbit from Hessarian's page on the Wikipedia; "Most of the high-ranking clergy, including nearly all of the ruling Altus magisters, refused to give up their Old Gods, but the non-mage Soporati class overwhelmingly supported Hessarian, beginning a period known as the Transfiguration."

I'm wondering the reason behind the divide since it was specifically noted to be mages and non-mages: was it because of a status that the majority of Soporati mages did not wish to lose or was it because of something more Fade-related?

The Altus are, afterall, believed by the Tevinter Imperium to be descendents of dreamers or magisters who held the ability to speak to the Old Gods in the Fade but then again, it was believed that magic was a favor bestowed by the Old Gods and so the Soporati mages would likely not be in favor of trading that interpretation of magic with that of the Chantry.

Apparently, there were hostility towards Altus mages in the Tevinter Imperium due to the belief that the Blight was brought about by them. A number of them were even killed as a result during the Transfiguration period. I do wonder if the Tevinter Imperium's insistance that they did not create the Blights might also have been because they were trying to prevent destabilization and infighting.

There are no Soporati mages, Soporati means "sleeper" and is the term for a non-Mage citizen of the imperium. A non-Altus Mage is a Laetan.
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Well, they allow men but they don't allow women, which according to Dorian is mostly just to ****** off the Southern Chantry. They probably justify it with something about the Imperial Divine being a successor to Hessarian.

 

The Imperial Chantry and the Orlesian Chantry can appear to be amusingly petty in regards to one another since it is stated that they refuse to acknowledge each other's authority but also that they do seek legitimacy from each other by repeatedly trying to make the other acknowledge their authority.

 

This gives the rather amusing impression of the old joke of two people ignoring each other but insisting on sending passive agressive messages to each other by using a third person as a go-between.


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There are no Soporati mages, Soporati means "sleeper" and is the term for a non-Mage citizen of the imperium. A non-Altus Mage is a Laetan.


Ah, I see my mistake. Thank you.



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Interestingly enough, the blade of Archon Hessarian as depicted as covered in the flames of Andraste's pyre is apparently the icon used by the Templar Order. I did not discover this until recently.  

 

Now that I think about it, that could be very interesting if you consider the theory that Andraste was a mage.



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I don't like the idea of her as a mage (simply because it detracts from what's important), but it's amusing to me.. since my so called "Herald" freed the Redcliffe mages. To me, that's the only remotely Andrastian thing I can do... screw all the signs and wonders. Those mean little.

 

It'd turn out to be even more Andrastian if she was in fact a mage.


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"After the Qunari Wars on Llomerryn a peace treaty was signed between Qunari and the rest of Thedas. However, Tevinter refused to accept it and has continued the war against the Qunari ever since." - The Tevinter Imperium on the Wikipedia.

 

It is stated elsewhere that the Qunari divert the forces of the Tevinter Imperium which has kept the latter from seeking territory. I wonder if the same to an extent can be said about the Tevinter Imperium an the Qunari forces: basically, the two serve to keep each other in check but given Trespasser that may not be true or at least, no longer true with the Tevinter Imperium's decline.  



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I felt Solas' difference in body type was a rather neat detail since it seemed to be because he was from a different time and so had lived under different conditions than those of the modern elves. I believe Abelas and his followers use a similar or same bodytype.

Dalish doesn't live in exactly bad conditions, and hunters should be in good shape. Unless the difference in body type is based on some change caused by the creation of the Veil (doubtful, and I'll laugh hard if this is the case), there's no reason our character has to be so skinny.



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I don't like the idea of her as a mage (simply because it detracts from what's important)

 

I think I prefer Andraste as a non-mage as well.