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[Shechinah]

"A murderer who does good things is still a murderer. And he would still get his judgment."
-Boone
Fallout New Vegas

 
"At first there was no sense of forgiveness. There had been so much violence that night and such a complete lack of humanity that I didn’t want Tim to get away with it. But as our presentation evolved, so did our relationship, and so too did the process of forgiveness. I knew the only way to get past what had happened so that it would no longer dictate my life was to forgive him.

 

But that was a huge undertaking because for all my life I’d feared what others thought of me. The only place I felt truly comfortable was in the heart of the gay community. I had built a cage of fear around myself which I believed was protecting me from further violence not realising that what I was really doing was killing myself. Forgiveness meant unlocking that cage, and becoming completely free to really be myself and not care what others thought of me." - Matthew Boger speaking about Tim Zaal and their past experience as well as what it meant.

 

Note: I believe the presentation refers to the Museum of Tolerance where the two met. Matthew Boger volunteered there and met Tim Zaal who talked to students about his past.  

[Hellion Rex]

Is it because I'm being honest? And I will never be on their side with those monsters hence the saying once again: "Once an enemy always an enemy." Urdnot "Mother******g" Wreav (Hey I like him he's gangsta)

No, it's because you're being incredibly close minded and ignorantly antagonistic.

[Shechinah]

Is it because I'm being honest? And I will never be on their side with those monsters hence the saying once again: "Once an enemy always an enemy."

 

An untrue saying seeing as it has proven false repeatedly.

[straykat]

Is it because I'm being honest? And I will never be on their side with those monsters hence the saying once again: "Once an enemy always an enemy." Urdnot "Mother******g" Wreav (Hey I like him he's gangsta)

 

Give me something real and not more video game examples. What is so bad about your life that it got to this point? Me, I'm pushing 40 (unfortunately lol). I have many stories that showed the good and the bad.. The good outweighed it. But you just seem to be swinging at the air. I don't think you're honest at all. Or you just don't get out much.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

No, it's because you're being incredibly close minded and ignorantly antagonistic.

I heard this many times before: "Get over it." "It happened long time ago." "Forget about history." "Forget what you came from." "And live a lie so I can feel better"

[Shechinah]

On a sidenote, my New Vegas character is like the whitest dude ever. I named him Roy Hardy... after Roy Rogers and the Hardy Brothers.

 

Mine was a ghoul; I loved that snarky, radioactive bastard with his impeccable ability to completely ignore the plot. I was such a bad shot, though, I kept using the powerfist. I'm an awesome shot with a sniper rifle in any other game it seems but in Fallout. I could not hit a Supermutant Behemoth if it was standing completely still over me and I was completely stealthed.

 

 I felt better about it after I encountered a group of Legions with spears. They were so terrible at throwing them that I did not realize I was being attacked until I turned around by chance.

 

That may be my luck; the game may claim my luck stat's low but I've sure wandered into an absurd amount of of situations and come out alive with good loot when all odds says my character should be dead, buried and gone to heaven above. My old way of dealing with supermutants was made up of running up to them and shooting them straight in the face in absurdly close quarters.

[straykat]

Mine was a ghoul. I was such a bad shot, I kept using the powerfist. I'm an awesome shot with a sniper rifle in any other way but in Fallout, I could not hit a Supermutant Behemoth if it was standing completely still over me and I was completely stealthed.

 

 I felt better about it after I encountered a group of Legions with spears. They were so terrible at throwing them that I did not realize I was being attacked until I turned around by chance.

 

That may be my luck; the game may claim my luck stat's low but I've sure wandered into an absurd amount of of situations and come out alive with good loot when all odds says my character should be dead, buried and gone to heaven above. My old way of dealing with supermutants was made up of running up to them and shooting them straight in the face in absurdly close quarters.

 

Mine was kind of survivalist/gunslinger. I love how much character possibility there was though, just in the beginning of the game. This is how RPGs should be.

[Shechinah]

Mine was kind of survivalist/gunslinger. I love how much character possibility there was though, just in the beginning of the game. This is how RPGs should be.

 

I liked Fallout 4 but despite my optimism about that part of it, I did end up being disappointed about how unecessarily set the character was. It's why I'm hoping the alternative origin mod will be functional by the time I'm making another character.  
 

[Qun00]

Yeah, but I believe facist, leftist leanings have been fairly prominent there for the last few decades and a lot of that "anti-white" rhetoric has snuck in regardless of the population's ethnic history/mix. And I believe a lot of the white people they mean is externally focused, like at those in Europe or the US. Its the same wag the dog a lot of facist regimes in the middle east engage in to distract their populace from their internal problems.

Actually, we do have white people here. No need to look outside for that.

As for the few who do have something against the U.S, well... that has more to do with xenophobia.

[straykat]

I liked Fallout 4 but despite my optimism about that part of it, I did end up being disappointed about how unecessarily set the character was. It's why I'm hoping the alternative origin mod will be functional by the time I'm making another character.  
 

 

I bought it at launch, but I still haven't played... On Xbox One also. Not sure if there will be mods. They said there would be, but it doesn't seem like they've come yet.

[Shechinah]

Sooo.... fashion;

 

Oh, I want this so much I'd change my relationship status to being in a relationship with this set;
http://vignette1.wik...=20130614003118

 

[straykat]

Sooo.... fashion;

 

Oh, I want this so much I'd change my relationship status to being in a relationship with this set;
http://vignette1.wik...=20130614003118

 

 

It almost looks Ferelden-ish...

[The Elder King]

Is it because I'm being honest? And I will never be on their side with those monsters hence the saying once again: "Once an enemy always an enemy." Urdnot "Mother******g" Wreav (Hey I like him he's gangsta)

Wreav is an idiotic warmonger that will lead the krogans to the death, since next time salarians won't just develop something that wil drop their numbers. Wrex understands that cooperation is the only path where the krogans can survive.

And by the way, what happened to the krogans in the Rebellions. is TOTALLY their fault. They went on the path of conquering more and more planets and going against the other species. If they didn't act that way, they'd still be hailed as heroes by everyone for their role in the Rachni Wars. And I say this as a person who really likes the krogans.

[Shechinah]

It almost looks Ferelden-ish...

 
Ah, I see what you mean;
http://vignette2.wik...=20130526011252
 
Though, Fereldan fashion seem more a mixture of warm and dark colors than the cool and dark colors of the Imperium barring gold. The latter also have more of a design emphasis on sharps and edges while the former have more of a design emphasis on fur and rough cloth;

Fereldan fashion;
http://i0.wp.com/dra...12/fereldan.png

Tevinter fashion;
http://vignette2.wik...=20130615023500
http://vignette2.wik...=20130526005626

[Shechinah]

I'll say I do like how the Fereldan style was changed in-between Origin and Inquisition: the former style, while likable, seemed a bit... generic for the lack of a proper word.

 

I hope we see some Tevinter fashion like the ones found in the concept art.

[Hellion Rex]

Ugh, I would kill for some Altus armor like that! Also, I demand one of those sword staff things for my mage Tevinter PC! I must have one!

 

 

Side note: If the next game isn't in Tevinter, I'm going to be so bummed, especially after all the speculation and stuff in this thread. 

[Shechinah]

Here's a thought; what if it is not the Evanuris who are the Old Gods but the Forgotten Ones who are?  

It would also fit with the Dalish mythology; "In the legend known as the Great Betrayal Fen'Harel tricked the Forgotten Ones into returning to the abyss and the Creators into withdrawing to the heavens. Then he betrayed both groups and sealed the ways shut behind them, so that they would never again walk among the People."

 

The Evanuris were sealed away in the Fade while the Forgotten Ones were sealed away in the Deep Roads. Granted, the Forgotten Ones may not have been sealed away for the reasons believed by the Dalish nor by Solas.

 

Heh, there's the amusing thought that Solas got the idea on how to seal away the Evanuris from how the Evanuris sealed away the Forgotten Ones.

[The Elder King]

Ugh, I would kill for some Altus armor like that! Also, I demand one of those sword staff things for my mage Tevinter PC! I must have one!

 

 

Side note: If the next game isn't in Tevinter, I'm going to be so bummed, especially after all the speculation and stuff in this thread. 

 

Agreed on both.

Here's a thought; what if it is not the Evanuris who are the Old Gods but the Forgotten Ones who are?  

I always thought that in the case the OG were elven Gods they would be the FO when I thought of the Fen'harel/Maker theory (before DAI), since Fen'harel blocked them underground (as the Maker did with the OG). There's the problems of the names/number, but I think there might be room for some explanation I guess. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Give me something real and not more video game examples. What is so bad about your life that it got to this point? Me, I'm pushing 40 (unfortunately lol). I have many stories that showed the good and the bad.. The good outweighed it. But you just seem to be swinging at the air. I don't think you're honest at all. Or you just don't get out much.

Spoiler

My grandad is 87. He's a pretty cool old dude. Taught me to fish. Even at his age he always finds the sunny side. When he was 13 he witnessed his friends being dragged from their home by a white mob, chained to a tree and burned alive. He watched the mob push and shove to attain "souvenirs ". We came home, he went to his room and I didn't see him for the rest of the day.

[Hellion Rex]

Here's a thought; what if it is not the Evanuris who are the Old Gods but the Forgotten Ones who are?  

 

The Old Gods supposedly spoke to members of the Tevinter Imperium through dreams and it is said that elves cannot remember the Forgotten Ones outside of their dreams.  

For a time, I had wondered if perhaps the Old Gods, or at least the Archdemon dragons who are said to represent them, were dragonic creatures in which the Evanuris had perhaps invested a portion of their power. 

[Shechinah]

Solas mentioned a war so I wonder if the Forgotten Ones were on the opposite side of the elves that would become the Evanuris.

[The Elder King]

For a time, I had wondered if perhaps the Old Gods, or at least the Archdemon dragons who are said to represent them, were dragonic creatures in which the Evanuris had perhaps invested a portion of their power. 

That's actually an interesting theory. I think it's likely there's a connection between the Evanuris and the OG, regardless of what exactly the latter are. 

[The Elder King]

Solas mentioned a war so I wonder if the Forgotten Ones were on the opposite side of the elves that would become the Evanuris.

Didn't we find a codex about a Forgotten One who did mention fighting againt the Evanuris?

[Shechinah]

Okay, I'm making the call; The Forgotten Ones are the Old Gods.

 

Time will tell if the call goes through like it did when I got the Flemeth-is-Mythal number right back in Dragon Age II.  

[The Elder King]

Okay, I'm making the call; The Forgotten Ones are the Old Gods. Time will tell if the call goes through. 

Eh, I'd like if this will be true. It'd be further fuel to support the Fen'harel/Maker theory though.