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[Shechinah]

I couldn't stand KOTFE personally.

 

While I enjoy KOTFE a lot, I can understand: it is not for everybody and it does have some very noticeable flaws, in my opinion.
 

[Mistic]

It would be interesting to have a follower who is into all that, connections, political maneuvering, and so on. This is especially interesting if we see them conflict with Dorian about various goals.

 

That would be nice, if only to avoid the depiction of every positive Tevinter as a rebel (Dorian) or an ex-slave (Fenris and, up to a certain point, Calpernia). However, Bioware will have to work hard not to turn that character into a Vivienne copy-cat.

 

When the prospect of Calpernia becoming a companion was mentioned here, I was thinking: "what companion could balance her in the party?". My first idea was that of a Laetan, a mage from the class that is said to vie for political power harder than any Altus, despite getting the short end of the stick in Magisterium dealings more often than not. Bonus points if the Laetan happens to be an elf (the irony of an elf of Tevinter nobility versus a human who was enslaved when she was a child would challenge some players' preconceptions).

[straykat]

Mae sounds positive, even if not a rebel.. and someone within the system.

 

She's definitely a maverick, but it doesn't seem rebellious exactly.

 

Dorian still maintains some pride about his people though.. he's rebellious more with his family.

[Heimdall]

Mae sounds positive, even if not a rebel.. and someone within the system.

She's definitely a maverick, but it doesn't seem rebellious exactly.

Dorian still maintains some pride about his people though.. he's rebellious more with his family.

Both of their rebellions are more personal than political. They would both like to reform some specific standards in Tevinter, but I bet they'd both defend Tevinter to their last breath when it came down to it.

I do like that ambitious Laetan companion idea though.

[Mistic]

Mae sounds positive, even if not a rebel.. and someone within the system.

 

She's definitely a maverick, but it doesn't seem rebellious exactly.

 

Maevaris starting to live as a woman caused a scandal in Tevinter and brought hardships to her family, according to WoT 2. She endured firstly because her family didn't have real political power and was considered harmless (and yet it didn't save his father from being executed for treason) and secondly because she's filthy rich thanks to her family's connections with Ambassadoria and the fortune she inherited from her lover Thorold. So she's a rebel in her personal life as much as Dorian.

 

Both of their rebellions are more personal than political. They would both like to reform some specific standards in Tevinter, but I bet they'd both defend Tevinter to their last breath when it came down to it.

 

Of course. I think "rebel" tends to give people the idea of "independence war" or "let's topple the system", but it doesn't have to be as extreme as that.

[Shechinah]

I think it would be an interesting thing to have associates that are from different walks of life in Tevinter so you'd have somebody who'd fit the Soporati, the Laetan and the Altus. I'm saying associates since some might be companions but others might be in non-companion roles akin to advisor roles. 

[straykat]

Maevaris starting to live as a woman caused a scandal in Tevinter and brought hardships to her family, according to WoT 2. She endured firstly because her family didn't have real political power and was considered harmless (and yet it didn't save his father from being executed for treason) and secondly because she's filthy rich thanks to her family's connections with Ambassadoria and the fortune she inherited from her lover Thorold. So she's a rebel in her personal life as much as Dorian.

 

Fair enough. I just don't think she'd upheave the system. Still seems more like a Player of the system. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Mistic]

I think it would be an interesting thing to have associates that are from different walks of life in Tevinter so you'd have somebody who'd fit the Soporati, the Laetan and the Altus. I'm saying associates since some might be companions but others might be in non-companion roles akin to advisor roles. 

 

Don't forget Liberati and slaves. And the very special dwarves of Ambassadoria. And then there are other divisions, like Magisters, members of the Publicanium, the Imperial Chantry, imperial templars, etc. Heck, thanks to lore we know Tevinter has one of the most complex societies in Thedas. Bioware could make a complete party without repeating models.

 

Fair enough. I just don't think she'd upheave the system. Still seems more like a Player of the system. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

I do hope we hear more of the Lucerni's political goals. Vague positive-feeling words don't mean much. "Fighting against corruption" or "restoring and redeeming Tevinter" could mean very different things, depending on who you ask.

 

That makes me think: could Maevaris and Dorian have different ideas for Tevinter? I mentioned once that I could see Dorian as a new Black Divine, but Bioware always likes to give choices in their Game of Thrones scenarios. Choosing between Maevaris and Dorian (it doesn't have to be a Divine election, but in any other conflicting scenario) could be interesting.

[raging_monkey]

I suppose I should count my blessings...

you should lol try being her boyfriend and unable to suggest better stories

[Iakus]

Do you think arranged marriages would play a part in a game set in Tevinter? From what Dorian told me eugenics and selective breeding is a heavy aspect for the aristocracy.

For mages, especially of the altus class, absolutely

[Hellion Rex]

From a roleplay perspective, for the PC, I would hope that a human mage could be an Altus. The elven mage would of course be a Laetans though.

Wait, I don't think there are any elven Altus, at least none living.....I could be wrong though. I imagine any that made it to Altus would not survive long.


Edit: Wait, never mind. Altus have to trace their roots back to the Neromenian Dreamers, which would disqualify elves pretty quickly.

[Red of Rivia]

Oh.

 

Yeah I liked KOTOR1 better

But IS better.

[Heimdall]

Of course. I think "rebel" tends to give people the idea of "independence war" or "let's topple the system", but it doesn't have to be as extreme as that.

This is where I tend to draw the distinction between rebel and reformer. I don't think we've met a Tevinter character yet besides Fenris that is genuinely a rebel. Even Calpernia's goals seem to be more a reform than anything else.

[Sifr]

I don't think he controls it so much as lives at home with it. It's a slightly different spin. He relishes in that whole plane. Morrigan seems to like this world (even if she's lousy company), and then talks about the Fade and Magic as something to "command". I wish all mages were like that. I would say Hawke is too, for most players.

 

It's canon according to Bethany's codex entry for a Mage Hawke. It says one of the reasons Bethany idolised (and envied) her older sibling was because Hawke completely embraced magic and life as an apostate, while Bethany always struggled with being a mage and feared discovery.

[Mistic]

This is where I tend to draw the distinction between rebel and reformer. I don't think we've met a Tevinter character yet besides Fenris that is genuinely a rebel. Even Calpernia's goals seem to be more a reform than anything else.

 

I agree, maybe using "reformer" will help in that regard. However, I would defend such a concept taking means into account, not goals. After all, there isn't a shortage of rebellions, civil wars and coup d'etats in real-life history with the goal of changing the nation where they are, not destroy it or break away from it.

 

I can call Dorian or Maevaris "reformers" rather than "rebels" because, if the epilogue is to be believed, they are working from within the system and, officially, accepting its rules (until they change them). On the other hand, Calpernia may want to reform the system, but she does so in a group that is considered even by Tevinter the Thedosian equivalent of a terrorist faction, a group that considers Corypheus the only rightful ruler of the Imperium. If that's not being a rebel, I don't know what it is.

[raging_monkey]

Remember epilogues are heresay

[Qun00]

Since subverting stereotypes was the norm in DAI, I'm ready for some tradition abiding companions in DA4.

Give me some dwarfy dwarves, elfy elves and Qun-Quns!

[straykat]

I doubt that'll change. They can't help themselves.

 

But I'm with you.

[Qun00]

Thanks. :

On a different note, I think the unconventional companion that we really needed in the franchise was the Iron Bull. He believes in the Qun, but like a real person would. Sten and the Arishok were interchangeable drones.

[straykat]

Thanks. :

On a different note, I think the unconventional companion that we really needed in the franchise was the Iron Bull. He believes in the Qun, but like a real person would. Sten and the Arishok were interchangeable drones.

 

I just don't find him that sincere exactly. He's basically Zev or Isabela, but they had a lifetime that made them who they are. He just seems like he's acting a part.

 

Before release, I thought it'd be a little more naive. Like Randy Quaid in Kingpin (he was this big dolt of an Amish guy, out of his element.. going crazy with all the pleasures around him).

 

I guess you're right about Sten and Arishok though. If they wanted to be different from those two, I would've just preferred a female Qunari.

[Mistic]

Sten and the Arishok were interchangeable drones.

 

Given that both get the highest position in the Qunari military, it seems that's what they like in their supreme generals.

 

Ironically, Sten is supposed to be a maverick among his peers. Just imagine what the rest of the Antaam are like.

[straykat]

Like Arvaarad.

 

I get the feeling Bioware wants me to forget him. But I won't.

[raging_monkey]

Like Arvaarad.

I get the feeling Bioware wants me to forget him. But I won't.

*waves hand * that's was not the arvaarad you saw...

I totally get that replaying the series and im like this guy is nuts like pcp nuts

[Andromelek]

I'd like to see that even the Qun can be corrupted, I don't know, maybe finding out that one of the triumvirate (I'd suggest the Ariqun) is a high weight bastard that is clever enough to deceive them into fulfilling his will, while believing that they are actually following the demands of the Qun.

[straykat]

I'd like to see that even the Qun can be corrupted, I don't know, maybe finding out that one of the triumvirate (I'd suggest the Ariqun) is a high weight bastard that is clever enough to deceive them into fulfilling his will, while believing that they are actually following the demands of the Qun.

 

The way it seems now, it's full of sophistry and loopy reasoning. It's whatever they want it to be at any given moment.

 

It's hard to corrupt something that's always shifting underneath your feet.