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[Heimdall]

This might be out of place in the Imperium, but I would like to see another attempt at a shapeshifting spec. It wasn't that useful in DAO, but it's a cool concept.

Other than that, an armored melee Mage spec or something like the Knight Enchanter is something I really want to see, preferably something that isn't a carbon copy of what we've seen before, but a new take on the concept, a Tevinter version.

And I want a spec, I don't care if it's blood Mage or something else, that lets me summon demons as minions. Ideally we'd have specialization quests (DAI was a step in the right direction in this regard) that involved binding or making a pact with such a demon.

This may not be "new magic" precisely, but I'd like to see new takes on these ideas.

[Andromelek]

I'd also like to see shapeshifting again, perhaps it would work better if instead of remaining as the animal the whole time, you briefly shapeshift on it and apply some melee combo. For example, if there is a group of enemies or a big enemy, you can use a spell to briefly shapeshift into a Wyvern, spit poison on them and then pounce against them to send them flying away.

I also like the brute force that is displayed by the Saarebas, I think would be cool adding that as a spec: energy vortex, explosive teleport, and maybe they could add it something like summoning doppelgangers that deal a percentage of the player's damage.

[Heimdall]

To my view, the problem with shapeshifting in DAO was that it really just turned the caster into a weaker version of something other members of the party could already do. To do it better, I think what they'd have to do is make the animal forms much stronger and better, with more powerful and interesting abilities, the wyvern capable of spitting poison and charging foes would be a good example. Although they could also add some magical abilities that enhances the forms. How about a bear form that could do elemental damage to foes around it? (Image: imagine a flaming bear charging into the enemy)

[Andromelek]

To have more variety, it should deal the elemental damage that the staff has (who was the jerk who removed nature damage and turned spirit into an additional effect?)

It also could have a special like the specs on DAI, for females turning into a High Dragon and flooding an area with elemental damage, for males turning into a Giant and throwing a rock imbued on elemental damage.

[Heimdall]

Turning into a High Dragon or a Giant might be a bit much, but some sort of special short lived Focus Ability type form wouldn't go amiss.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm curious if transformation into a High Dragon is considered impossible for normal mages, since we have seen only two (3 if you count that one elf in the codex who broke Arlathan's rules) transform into a high dragon. And I'd wager all the Evanuris could transform into dragons.  I wonder if it's an issue of power, or if it's a special skill, or some combination of both?

[raging_monkey]

Also would like to see if illusion type magic is a thing in the Imperium, as well as the manipulation of light and sound.

that's my speciality messing with people's perceptions is awesome "right is left left is right."

[raging_monkey]

I'm curious if transformation into a High Dragon is considered impossible for normal mages, since we have seen only two (3 if you count that one elf in the codex who broke Arlathan's rules) transform into a high dragon. And I'd wager all the Evanuris could transform into dragons. I wonder if it's an issue of power, or if it's a special skill, or some combination of both?

I'd say it's has something to do with training. We had flemthal which is a goddess and mori who raised and trained as a goddess

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I'm curious if transformation into a High Dragon is considered impossible for normal mages, since we have seen only two (3 if you count that one elf in the codex who broke Arlathan's rules) transform into a high dragon. And I'd wager all the Evanuris could transform into dragons.  I wonder if it's an issue of power, or if it's a special skill, or some combination of both?

I think its a matter of understanding. Morrigan said in DAO that she had to understand the animal she was shapeshifting in to, be able to get in their head and basically become a cat/bear/whatever. I imagine its hard to get that amount of observation and understanding of a high dragon for multiple reasons. Flemythal had to impart it to Morrigan via magic b/c of that. But that doesn't mean another mage couldn't do it. I imagine shapeshifting itself is the main hurdle. If you can manage that, then its just a matter of understanding the animal you're going after.

[Andromelek]

I'm curious if transformation into a High Dragon is considered impossible for normal mages, since we have seen only two (3 if you count that one elf in the codex who broke Arlathan's rules) transform into a high dragon. And I'd wager all the Evanuris could transform into dragons.  I wonder if it's an issue of power, or if it's a special skill, or some combination of both?

Morrigan said that you first have to study the animals before being able to shapeshift on them, since Dragons are endangered, finding one is already an achievement, studying them without being eaten is another, and then you have to be a mage and know shapeshiting or it wouldn't worth for anything, sum that to the fact that depending your gender you'd had to study different behaviours (at least for High Dragons).

My guess is that Evanuirs shapeshifted on Great Dragons (whose males maybe aren't insanely short and could have a size to mean an advantage), and they probably killed the most, would make sense, since we know that High Dragons were drove near extinction by the Nevarran hunters but we don't know what happened to Great Dragons.

[Hellion Rex]

Hmmm, I would suppose in the modern age, I would bet most can't shapeshift into a dragon because so few have had the chance to study a live dragon without fear of death, and thus can't find that bit of understanding that would help fuel the transformation.

[Andromelek]

Hmmm, I would suppose in the modern age, I would bet most can't shapeshift into a dragon because so few have had the chance to study a live dragon without fear of death, and thus can't find that bit of understanding that would help fuel the transformation.

Luckily the Reavers were a lot of Zealots that didn't know a crap about shapeshifting, otherwise, HoF would've been on a huge problem.

[Heimdall]

Morrigan said that you first have to study the animals before being able to shapeshift on them, since Dragons are endangered, finding one is already an achievement, studying them without being eaten is another, and then you have to be a mage and know shapeshiting or it wouldn't worth for anything, sum that to the fact that depending your gender you'd had to study different behaviours (at least for High Dragons).

My guess is that Evanuirs shapeshifted on Great Dragons (whose males maybe aren't insanely short and could have a size to mean an advantage), and they probably killed the most, would make sense, since we know that High Dragons were drove near extinction by the Nevarran hunters but we don't know what happened to Great Dragons.

They're sleeping, according to Yavana.

[Andromelek]

Turning into a High Dragon or a Giant might be a bit much, but some sort of special short lived Focus Ability type form wouldn't go amiss.

Yeah, I was still talking about the briefly shapeshift-back to human form mechanic I suggested.

[Andromelek]

They're sleeping, according to Yavana.

She said the builders of the temple knew they would need protection, she also only mentioned one sleeping and the Queen of Dragons, which is definitely not a healthy quantity for a specie.

[Heimdall]

Luckily the Reavers were a lot of Zealots that didn't know a crap about shapeshifting, otherwise, HoF would've been on a huge problem.

I think there might be more to it. I mean, Dragon blood has ambiguous magical properties. There might be some mystical component that takes specialized knowledge to achieve beyond simple observation. Morrigan being raised by Flemeth and imbued with the knowledge the Well of Sorrows (Mythal being the Creator most closely associated with Dragon symbolism), might be the only modern Mage capable of making that transformation.

[Hellion Rex]

They're sleeping, according to Yavana.

Not the Queen, though. The Queen is awake, according Yavana.

[Heimdall]

Not the Queen, though. The Queen is awake, according Yavana.

Huh, I really hope DA4 clears up a lot of dragon lore. Tevinter seems the place to do it,

[Andromelek]

I think there might be more to it. I mean, Dragon blood has ambiguous magical properties. There might be some mystical component that takes specialized knowledge to achieve beyond simple observation. Morrigan being raised by Flemeth and imbued with the knowledge the Well of Sorrows (Mythal being the Creator most closely associated with Dragon symbolism), might be the only modern Mage capable of making that transformation.

Yes, Dragon blood has magical properties, in fact the Reavers had drink it (so it wouldn't be a problem for them) but I doubt it depends on it, or Flemeth would be able to awake the Great Dragons herself.

Not the Queen, though. The Queen is awake, according Yavana.

I think it was implied that Yavana's Dragon is the Queen.

[raging_monkey]

Dragon also seem to affect a genome of a person if Alistair is of the calhad bloodline. Think some character mentions he is of the d-blood

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Morrigan said that you first have to study the animals before being able to shapeshift on them, since Dragons are endangered, finding one is already an achievement, studying them without being eaten is another, and then you have to be a mage and know shapeshiting or it wouldn't worth for anything, sum that to the fact that depending your gender you'd had to study different behaviours (at least for High Dragons).

My guess is that Evanuirs shapeshifted on Great Dragons (whose males maybe aren't insanely short and could have a size to mean an advantage), and they probably killed the most, would make sense, since we know that High Dragons were drove near extinction by the Nevarran hunters but we don't know what happened to Great Dragons.

I wonder if male mages couldn't shift into female high dragons, too? I mean, their bodies are already changing shape completely, so I don't see a reason they'd have to stick to their actual gender. Essentially its just another bit of shape that shifts.

[Heimdall]

Yes, Dragon blood has magical properties, in fact the Reavers had drink it (so it wouldn't be a problem for them) but I doubt it depends on it, or Flemeth would be able to awake the Great Dragons herself.

I don't mean that they would need to drink dragon blood, just that there might be some particular mystical knowledge necessary to pull off the transformation due to dragons being mystical creatures.

[Heimdall]

Yeah, I was still talking about the briefly shapeshift-back to human form mechanic I suggested.

Yeah, but I still think those things are too big. What happens when you try to use this ability inside?

[Andromelek]

I wonder if male mages couldn't shift into female high dragons, too? I mean, their bodies are already changing shape completely, so I don't see a reason they'd have to stick to their actual gender. Essentially its just another bit of shape that shifts.

I'm not sure to what degree shapeshifting can change you, I would like to know what happens to your lifespan and your DNA, and sicknes you may have while shapeshifted, in fact Flemeth's prank on being a Dragon shapeshifting and Bull's hint that Qunari are somehow related to Dragons have lead me to the theory of "once upon a time a dirty shapeshifter..."

[raging_monkey]

Gives more credence that they are a mistake