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[The Ascendant]

Do you guys think that Tevinter would be a good place to introduce vampires into the DA franchise?

[Shechinah]

Do you guys think that Tevinter would be a good place to introduce vampires into the DA franchise?

 

 I'd greatly, greatly prefer that they use demons since we've already seen that some demons function akin to vampires in how they can feed on mortals without possessing them.  

 

Example: the sloth demon encountered in the Broken Circle lulls the party into sleep and at the end of the encounter in the Fade, I believe Niall says he's been in the Fade too long and his body has wasted away too much because of the sloth demon.  
 

Note: although the sloth demon used an abomination model and so was likely possessing somebody, it did not seem like it needed to possess all of it's victims to be able to feed on them as I do not recall Niall's body in the tower having looked possessed. I'm not considering the party since the party had plot immunity to a lot of things like the taint.

[Hellion Rex]

Do you guys think that Tevinter would be a good place to introduce vampires into the DA franchise?

They already have vampires in the franchise. Demons of hunger that possess a living host are dubbed vampires.

[Mistic]

They already have vampires in the franchise. Demons of hunger that possess a living host are dubbed vampires.

 

That or they become cannibals. Either way, they don't seem very impressive.

 

Hunger demons are barely above rage demons in intelligence, so more than the charismatic vampire type we may encounter in other fiction, DA vampires will probably be more like differently flavoured abomination or demon encounters.

[Hellion Rex]

That or they become cannibals. Either way, they don't seem very impressive.

 

Hunger demons are barely above rage demons in intelligence, so more than the charismatic vampire type we may encounter in other fiction, DA vampires will probably be more like differently flavoured abomination or demon encounters.

What I'd like to see is an upper level hunger demon, one that feeds on a complex type of hunger. The hunger for love, the hunger for success, etc.

 

I imagine that a hunger demon that targets mental, spiritual, and emotional types of hunger would be quite powerful.

[The Ascendant]

Ok, no vamps, just wanted to test the waters in where the fans stand. I think demons are far more interesting anyway, but what new monsters or creatures could they bring up?

[Hellion Rex]

Ok, no vamps, just wanted to test the waters in where the fans stand. I think demons are far more interesting anyway, but what new monsters or creatures could they bring up?

Hmmmm, maybe Harpies? Gorgons? Golems? Chimeras? I'm running through all the different creatures I can think of from Witcher and Dragon's Dogma.

 

On another note, I'd like to learn more about demons/spirits and how their hierarchy works. The Forbidden Ones clearly stand as top tier demons, but are there are any special groups or classifications? One thing that's always interested me is that Xebenkeck is labelled to be an "Undying". I want to know more!!

[The Ascendant]

Hmmmm, maybe Harpies? Gorgons? Golems? Chimeras? I'm running through all the different creatures I can think of from Witcher and Dragon's Dogma.

 

On another note, I'd like to learn more about demons/spirits and how their hierarchy works. The Forbidden Ones clearly stand as top tier demons, but are there are any special groups or classifications? One thing that's always interested me is that Xebenkeck is labelled to be an "Undying". I want to know more!!

Based on my experiences demons/spirits are as varied as mortals. You have powerful unique entities like the Forbidden Ones, the Avvar 'Gods', demons specializing in a unique area, Nightmare, and countless others. It really does make them an interesting and compelling aspect of the world.

[Sifr]

Hmmmm, maybe Harpies? Gorgons? Golems? Chimeras? I'm running through all the different creatures I can think of from Witcher and Dragon's Dogma.

 

On another note, I'd like to learn more about demons/spirits and how their hierarchy works. The Forbidden Ones clearly stand as top tier demons, but are there are any special groups or classifications? One thing that's always interested me is that Xebenkeck is labelled to be an "Undying". I want to know more!!

 

Well, we have Golems already, but seeing more of them wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

Didn't a codex in Trespasser imply the Evanuris stripped the Forbidden Ones of their bodies and forced them to exist as non-corporeal entities? So unlike regular demons, they do not have to reconstitute themselves from scratch after death, merely lose some amount of power and are forced to wander around until they find another suitable host.

 

It's probably also what the Evanuris did to Mythal when they turned on her. She describes her time being disembodied in similar terms in Inquisition and has the same ability to survive the death of her host body as a disembodied spirit, until she finds another vessel or means to restore her, such as in DA2.

 

If I'm right and she had that kind of punishment forced on her by her own kinsmen - something severe enough that it seems to have only been used on the worst of the worst - it's no doubt the reason why Mythal holds such bitterness.

[The Ascendant]

Well, we have Golems already, but seeing more of them wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

Didn't a codex in Trespasser imply the Evanuris stripped the Forbidden Ones of their bodies and forced them to exist as non-corporeal entities? So unlike regular demons, they do not have to reconstitute themselves from scratch after death, merely lose some amount of power and are forced to wander around until they find another suitable host.

 

It's probably also what the Evanuris did to Mythal when they turned on her. She describes her time being disembodied in similar terms in Inquisition and has the same ability to survive the death of her host body as a disembodied spirit, until she finds another vessel or means to restore her, such as in DA2.

 

If I'm right and she had that kind of punishment forced on her by her own kinsmen - something severe enough that it seems to have only been used on the worst of the worst - it's no doubt the reason why Mythal holds such bitterness.

I believe that the Forbidden Ones became spirits of their own volition in order to escape the Evanuris, they deserted or rebelled against them and fled into the farthest depths of the Fade, this resulted in their exile or banishment from the dominions of the Evanuris.

[Hellion Rex]

Well, Solas says they straight up killed her in Trespasser, so I think they didn't try to simply strip her of corporeal form. I think they actually tried to whack her, and she managed to let a piece of herself survive in the Void until she was able to find Flemeth down the road. Considering how she deems herself to be a "shadow", I think they managed to destroy the vast majority of her and only the smallest piece of her was able to survive.

[Sifr]

I believe that the Forbidden Ones became spirits of their own volition in order to escape the Evanuris, they deserted or rebelled against them and fled into the farthest depths of the Fade, this resulted in their exile or banishment from the dominions of the Evanuris.

 

Yeah, I found the codex from the Vir Dirthara, it says they are banished for casting aside their form and "abandoning" the Evanuris in a time of great need, so them becoming shapeless happened prior to them being exiled.

 

You're probably right, they're either deserters, possibly from the great conflict that Solas mentioned, or a faction of former allies who attempted to rebel against the Evanuris at some point once they were in power.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, I found the codex from the Vir Dirthara, it says they are banished for casting aside their form and "abandoning" the Evanuris in a time of great need, so them becoming shapeless happened prior to them being exiled.

 

You're probably right, they're either deserters, possibly from the great conflict that Solas mentioned, or a faction of former allies who attempted to rebel against the Evanuris at some point once they were in power.

If anything, I think it really poses an interesting narrative where not everyone was drinking the Evanuris Kool-Aid, so to speak, and disagreements and war with the Evanuris were perhaps not uncommon.

 

That said, I do want to know how the Evanuris managed to raise themselves up so much higher than the rest of the already powerful Ancient Elves. Did they draw power from the collective belief in their divinity, did they drain power from their slaves and followers, did they tap into some kind of power source that fueled their abilities?

[Mistic]

Well, we have Golems already, but seeing more of them wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

Minrathous is supposed to have two giant golems guarding its gates. I'd really like to see them in action.

 

What I'd like to see is an upper level hunger demon, one that feeds on a complex type of hunger. The hunger for love, the hunger for success, etc.

 

I imagine that a hunger demon that targets mental, spiritual, and emotional types of hunger would be quite powerful.

 

Wouldn't that be a desire demon?

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

Wouldn't that be a desire demon?

I could see that argument. A hunger for something and a desire for something are perhaps not so different. 

[Andromelek]

Speaking of mythical creatures...what about fire Salamanders? Sandal mentions them, and given the context I'm more bent to believe that he was talking of the reptilian-fire-kind and not our amphibians.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

So your entire position is based on the idea that humans and human society can't ever change?

Yep!

[raging_monkey]

Do you guys think that Tevinter would be a good place to introduce vampires into the DA franchise?

well vamps are just hunger abomination and nearly cannibals But I'd love am nonetheless

[straykat]

I'd like see an Envy type of demon again.

 

I have to wonder too if the elves had some similar creature or form among them. Both falon'din and the varterral kinda remind me of it.

 

edit: Wait, maybe not Falon'din. Not sure why I thought he had multiple arms.

[raging_monkey]

He shares some similarity with Shiva imo though the mythologies of Hinduism due elude me

And yes more abstract demons like envy or avarice. We know that demon have general facets rage or desire which of we look at justice who became vengence which is justice but more insular and other variations of pride like hybris from da2 questline and finally nightmare which imo is literally a spirit gained some spirit equivalent of "humanity"

We have possibly a infinite spectrum of fade denizens

[straykat]

He shares some similarity with Shiva imo though the mythologies of Hinduism due elude me

 

I don't blame you. They have like a thousand dieties. Maybe more. I heard Elvis made the list there now.

 

 

Shiva, Krishna, the Elephant dude, and the Monkey dude. That's all you need to know.

[raging_monkey]

I don't blame you. They have like a thousand dieties. Maybe more. I heard Elvis made the list there now.


Shiva, Krishna, the Elephant dude, and the Monkey dude. That's all you need to know.

for westerners yes but it's a fasinating belief almost romantic in the traditional sense(not related to attachment)

[straykat]

for westerners yes but it's a fasinating belief almost romantic in the traditional sense(not related to attachment)

 

I don't know that much tbh. My mom is Thai (and Theravada Buddhist)... they borrow some Hindu things. Kind of like Christian/Jewish relations.

[Red of Rivia]

I don't know that much tbh. My mom is Thai (and Theravada Buddhist)... they borrow some Hindu things. Kind of like Christian/Jewish relations.

Yup, The Warden Commander Aeducan is from Thailand, he said something about it and besides, the culture is very similiar, at least for a first look.

[straykat]

Yup, The Warden Commander Aeducan is from Thailand, he said something about it and besides, the culture is very similiar, at least for a first look.

 

Wait what? lol

 

I'm confused...

 

If you're saying comparing Thai culture is off-base, it's not. They borrowed a lot of Indian language and customs. It's one of the Indian influenced countries in E. Asia. And they still use some of these Indian gods in their big operas. That's why I know of them.

 

edit: WAIT... I get it. The Caste system, right?