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[Seraphim24]

That's true, but that doesn't mean it was stolen. You can't really steal something like that.

 

Both of their ancient cultures sound equally creepy though.

 

I'm more fascinated with Shartan and Andraste personally... they're more like the new definitions of what elves and humans can be.

 

It's probably a case of diffusion like one thing is suddenly a part of a bunch of cultures, but Elves practiced whatever it was first at least. Some human is like "whoa" learns from one, etc, etc, not stolen but not capable of creating it on their own, or just not independent conception. 

 

Also I quoted your deleted portion haha!

[straykat]

It's probably a case of diffusion like one thing is suddenly a part of a bunch of cultures, but Elves practiced whatever it was first at least. Some human is like "whoa" learns from one, etc, etc, not stolen but not capable of creating it on their own, or just not independent conception. 

 

Also I quoted your deleted portion haha!

 

I don't remember what I deleted I just edited real quick... seems like you quoted what I wanted though.

[Red of Rivia]

I don't remember what I deleted I just edited real quick... seems like you quoted what I wanted though.

e_e

[straykat]

So confused.

[raging_monkey]

Well we don't know humans true origins and magic is part of the world physics and if thedas follows a similar evolution route it's possible they had dreamers just as potent just different belief add to how all elven history is speculative and performed orally so it's rather hard to place any fair judgement on who serves as superior.

Plus we know very little of what dreamers could do since they are very rare if the had been extinct for 200 years until feyernial and the rare tevinter dreamer and other plot dictates characters, we know as much if knew basic quantum theory which is very little at best

[straykat]

Well, it looks like Tevinter took actual objects. Not abilities. There's no evidence there at least. That just happened through evolution, I think.

[Seraphim24]

Well we don't know humans true origins and magic is part of the world physics and if thedas follows a similar evolution route it's possible they had dreamers just as potent just different belief add to how all elven history is speculative and performed orally so it's rather hard to place any fair judgement on who serves as superior.

Plus we know very little of what dreamers could do since they are very rare if the had been extinct for 200 years until feyernial and the rare tevinter dreamer and other plot dictates characters, we know as much if knew basic quantum theory which is very little at best

 

My money is on those hiter-to unknown Sea people from the great underwater zone that is yet to be deployed in the DA-verse...

 

 

Well, it looks like Tevinter took actual objects. Not abilities. There's no evidence there at least. That just happened through evolution, I think.

 

Don't the objects themseles have power? I don't know, runes inscriptions..

[Red of Rivia]

Since Solas ''created'' the Veil... we have no explanation for the Magic before him created the Veil.

[raging_monkey]

Personally I find the dreamers a setting nuke at the waiting for when this get too strained apply enough magic in a object sunder the viel intentionally or accident for solar or who ever boom we are free to play as we please

[straykat]

My money is on those hiter-to unknown Sea people from the great underwater zone that is yet to be deployed in the DA-verse...

 

 

 

Don't the objects themseles have power? I don't know, runes inscriptions..

 

Sure, and they're channeling magic in ways Tevinter never truly understood. So Tevinter tried to make use of them.

 

But it doesn't mean they took magic itself. I think it's just some quirk of the Veil.... the veil was an imperfect solution, in more than ways than one. And I think mages are just products of this environment... where magic has seaped through somewhat, but not completely.

[raging_monkey]

My money is on those hiter-to unknown Sea people from the great underwater zone that is yet to be deployed in the DA-verse...



Don't the objects themseles have power? I don't know, runes inscriptions..

depends on the artifact and how you define the study of artifice to add to your inquiry

And it's known in the table top of da there are sea creatures similar to leviathans and there were sighting from beyond the seas

[Seraphim24]

No one knows who first discovered magic, but it has been a part of the world of Thedas for as long as people can remember. From the elves of Arlathan to the mages of Tevinter, both humans and elves have been known to wield magic.

 

Before it became the Imperium, Tevinter was ruled by a dynasty of kings. And long before the Chantry there was a Circle of Magi: the society of mages in each city. The titles the modern Circles use—enchanter, senior enchanter, first enchanter—all originated here. But above the first enchanter, the Circles of Tevinter had another office: magister.

 

Well it doesn't preclude that magic was created by someone or some group rather than just always existing.

 

I think going past the world "as long as people can remember" would be great but by definition would be kinda like.. who knows? I get this vague sense with the "society of mages" in each city that the world as a whole was a lot more cultured and interconnected, kind of like the Mediterranean prior to the Sea Peoples.

[Red of Rivia]

No one knows who first discovered magic, but it has been a part of the world of Thedas for as long as people can remember. From the elves of Arlathan to the mages of Tevinter, both humans and elves have been known to wield magic.

 

Before it became the Imperium, Tevinter was ruled by a dynasty of kings. And long before the Chantry there was a Circle of Magi: the society of mages in each city. The titles the modern Circles use—enchanter, senior enchanter, first enchanter—all originated here. But above the first enchanter, the Circles of Tevinter had another office: magister.

 

Well it doesn't preclude that magic was created by someone or some group rather than just always existing.

That's the point, we don't know, the Fade is no more a valid option.

[Seraphim24]

That's the point, we don't know, the Fade is no more a valid option.

 

Right and I'm saying wouldn't it be cool to go back even further, and just you know make it up.

 

If it were me I'd have a bunch of floating cities powered by circle of magi and just have it binged on high culture, like where magic is commonplace. I just have this vague sense the modern gumber-glut of Fereldan is not the norm.. anyway.. like like Zeal in Chrono Trigger, or like a floating gardens of Babylon, etc.

 

I'm pretty sick of the Euro-trash settings to be honest.... they always vaguely reference the progenitor civilization and how beautiful it all was and then zap back to reality.

 

Still better than nothing, though.

[straykat]

I think if the Fade was the "original" state of the world, then magic has always existed. Spirits do it still... creating things through their Willpower. Mages are just remnants of this... people who somehow have the genetic mark or mutation, if you will, to still create through their Will.

[Red of Rivia]

I think if the Fade was the "original" world, then magic has always existed. Spirits do it still... creating things through their Willpower. Mages are just remnants of this... people who somehow have the genetic mark or mutation, if you will, to still create through their Will.

Original world? You mean that the Fade exist in the World, it was a natural thing? From what we know, this the only explanation. 

[Seraphim24]

I think if the Fade was the "original" state of the world, then magic has always existed. Spirits do it still... creating things through their Willpower. Mages are just remnants of this... people who somehow have the genetic mark or mutation, if you will, to still create through their Will.

 

Is magic even instrinsic to the Fade though? Maybe it became that way after some disaster.

[straykat]

Original world? You mean that the Fade exist in the World, it was a natural thing? From what we know, this the only explanation. 

 

I edited again.. I added "state" of the world, just to be more specific.

[straykat]

Is magic even instrinsic to the Fade though? Maybe it became that way after some disaster.

 

If it was, then Spirits wouldn't go crazy here. But they're particularly attracted to mages because they're more at home. They can create through their will with a Mage. They don't really understand how to be anything else.

 

It's also why Justice goes crazy and uses bombs... because he doesn't know how to interact like a "normal" person. He expects instant results. If he was more mundane at one time, he wouldn't have done this.

[Seraphim24]

If it was, then Spirits wouldn't go crazy here. But they're particularly attracted to mages because they're more at home. They can create through their will with a Mage. They don't really understand how to be anything else.

 

It's also why Justice goes crazy and uses bombs... because he doesn't know how to interact like a "normal" person. He expects instant results. If he was more mundane at one time, he wouldn't have done this.

 

Well it's true that the Fade became a source of magic but is that consequence or incidence of the way magic has been used? It's just not clear to me. I don't think it's supposed, like everything else is shrouded in mystery.

 

I just feel like maybe we're not dealing with a kind of "font of power" but maybe just Chernobyl the radioactive chipmunk.

[straykat]

Well it's true that the Fade became a source of magic but is that consequence or incidence of the way magic has been used? It's just not clear to me. I don't think it's supposed, like everything else is shrouded in mystery.

 

Well, I'm running off the assumption that the spirits have always been around.... in some kind of timeless state of mind. I don't think they were recently birthed, along with magic...

 

edit: I'm fairly sure Solas would agree. I don't think he'd care about them otherwise.

[Red of Rivia]

Well, I'm running off the assumption that the spirits have always been around.... in some kind of timeless state of mind. I don't think they were recently birthed, along with magic...

 

edit: I'm fairly sure Solas would agree. I don't think he'd care about them otherwise.

From what we know, they were around, didn't they? Solas said something about it. Through about ''timeless state of mind'' I don't think so, but...

[straykat]

From what we know, they were around, didn't they? Solas said something about it. Through about ''timeless state of mind'' I don't think so, but...

 

That's probably not the best description, yeah..

 

I wouldn't really know how to describe it. "World of Quantum bullshit" maybe? I mean, time passes differently and so do events. In his mind, even Loghain and the Hof are equally right.

[straykat]

Actually, it's kind of strange that Qunari are so adept at Troll Logic... when they hate magic. The Fade is probably the only place that agrees with them.

[Red of Rivia]

That's probably not the best description, yeah..

 

I wouldn't really know how to describe it. "World of Quantum bullshit" maybe? I mean, time passes differently and so do events. In his mind, even Loghain and the Hof are equally right.

This isn't a Fade thing? Show another point of view? Even before Dragon Age Inquisition, I had saved Loghain because of this... more or less... e_e... less than more.