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[Gervaise]

According to Andraste it wasn't just the Magisters invading the Golden City.    There is a whole section in the Chant about how the various human tribes in ancient times turned from the Maker because he wouldn't support them in their wars and the old gods speaking from the Fade did.    It seems rather ironic that after seemingly not in favour of even helping people defend themselves against aggressors, losing the support of the people of the Planasene as a result, he then offers to help Andraste launch a crusade but that could have been because the Magisters had so annoyed him.

 

Actually the Maker seems very difficult to please and tends not to want to do much in the way of action himself.    He was disappointed with the spirits of the Fade that they did nothing but stand around and praise him, so he invents humans in such a way that they will never cease trying to do new things (which would surely include activities such as war).   When this finally gets the spirits doing something, he gets annoyed with them.    Then the humans look to him for support against their enemies but he doesn't do enough to prevent a large death toll, so naturally they find someone else who can protect them.     Then allegedly he has no idea that the false gods he imprisoned in the earth are conspiring against him and encouraging the Magisters but when they do break into his palace, he doesn't just punish them but every other creature that he originally created on Thedas and had been so looking forward to seeing what they did.   Nothing very wonderful comes out of being infected with the Blight.    To be honest it would have been more useful if he had given Andraste the knowledge how to end the Blights permanently (other than simply killing the old gods) but instead he encourages an attack on Tevinter but once again fails to assist when it is most needed.    To some extent the story in the Chant would suggest that it is not a case that the Maker doesn't want to intervene but in fact he is incapable of doing so.

[Hellion Rex]

Well, if anything, I get the feeling that the Maker isn't what people think He is. He may not even be a god at all.

[Hellion Rex]

I mean, do we have any real definitive proof that he was at work in the world, other than b-slapping the Magisters out of the City and Andraste's miracles?


Also, want to see the Tevinter Chantry at work when we head to Tevinter.

[The Ascendant]

I think that the Tevinter Chantry would focus worship on the more human element of the Chant, remember that they have a holiday whenever Andraste visits someone in the Fade. It's easier to believe in and respect a person than a flawed absentee father figure who doesn't do anything and seemingly doesn't care.

[raging_monkey]

Case in point

[raging_monkey]

Well, if anything, I get the feeling that the Maker isn't what people think He is. He may not even be a god at all.

perhaps another solar or even a spirit of hope

[Mistic]

I think that the Tevinter Chantry would focus worship on the more human element of the Chant, remember that they have a holiday whenever Andraste visits someone in the Fade. It's easier to believe in and respect a person than a flawed absentee father figure who doesn't do anything and seemingly doesn't care.

 

I'm not sure they'll see it that way. In fact, one of the accusations from the South is that Tevinter doesn't respect Andraste enough, thinking her just a very devout mage who spread the word of the Maker instead of His Divine Bride (and of course, totally not a mage). Dorian literally says that it "makes executing her less damning".

 

In that sense, Southern Andrastians could claim that Divine!Andraste makes the religion closer to their followers, since they know that there's someone who was a human before, who knew and suffered their plight, next to that "absentee father figure", trying to intercede for them.

 

The sources and nature of intercession tend to be serious business among religions. Just ask about the nature and role of Christ to to each and every Christian denomination, and that's without counting Jesus' role in Islam. And that's another reason I want to go to Tevinter in DA4, to explore Imperial Chantry theology. It's not every day that a fictional universe acknowledges that there can be different churches with different theologies in the same fictional religion.

[raging_monkey]

I'd laugh if andraste was a elf and a mage

[Red of Rivia]

.___________. ...

[straykat]

I think that the Tevinter Chantry would focus worship on the more human element of the Chant, remember that they have a holiday whenever Andraste visits someone in the Fade. It's easier to believe in and respect a person than a flawed absentee father figure who doesn't do anything and seemingly doesn't care.

 

That's kind of the point of the Chantry though. It's Deist.. and it only strengthens by spreading the Chant. Then absentee dad comes back.

 

The problem with the Tevinter Chantry is the whole air of "Nothing here! Move along! We're all cool." It encourages idleness and lack of "repentence".. or any need to spread anything.

[straykat]

I just don't put stock in absentee "parents" that want to dictate my morale compass. I'm me I'm nobody's puppet conniving, borderline narssictic and maybe a deviant from traditional sex but no bloody puppet

 

I don't think it wants puppets. Quite the opposite. The basic idea of Deism means this so called Maker doesn't give a crap about you...necessarily. You can rest comfortably, if you want.

[raging_monkey]

I don't think it wants puppets. Quite the opposite. The basic idea of Deism means this so called Maker doesn't give a crap about you...necessarily. You can rest comfortably, if you want.

either way it's a messed mythology

[straykat]

either way it's a messed mythology

 

It's pretty tame compared to the Old Gods or Creators. There's that whole...lack of sacrifice and slavery thing going on with the Chantry.

[raging_monkey]

I actually like the old gods mythos as Well the dalish pantheon and oddly ameridans concept(go figure right lol). Its a lot more straight forward and at least honest.

But I wonder if we can venerate a old God perhaps lusacan God of mystery

[nightscrawl]

And that's another reason I want to go to Tevinter in DA4, to explore Imperial Chantry theology.

My Inquisitor is Andrastian and I would have loved to explore more of the faith elements with Dorian, Cassandra, and Varric. Instead, we're stuck with Mother Giselle and the Spirit Justinia in the Fade; it was frustrating.

I also want to explore more of the Imperial Chantry, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The Chantry is nothing but a system of control anyways and I would disband the Chantry completely.

[Qun00]

The humor theory is at least a step in the right direction.

Like the Skyhold physician...

I hold that Rogues will one day be the real healers. Not the damn mages. They're the true scientific class.

That reminds me... Tevinter is the greatest center of magic in modern Thedas and yet they can't defeat the Qunari.

What is their enemy's advantage? Technology.

I'd laugh if andraste was a elf and a mage

All true followers know that she is a dragon.

[Andromelek]

All true followers know that she is a dragon.

Sometimes I wish we would had a comic series based on Tamar and the rest of the already existant agents of the Inquisition instead of one focused on Mr and Ms Boring

[raging_monkey]

I never read it it's done by the guy who wrote the question series so it's on the agenda

As to the vint qun war it's mostly due to stale mates unless the vints have nukes and are still in r&d

[raging_monkey]

That reminds me... Tevinter is the greatest center of magic in modern Thedas and yet they can't defeat the Qunari.

What is their enemy's advantage? Technology.


All true followers know that she is a dragon.

shapeshifting elf dragon... Yes please

[Andromelek]

shapeshifting elf dragon... Yes please

I'd love to see a shapeshifting Dragon.... And a shapeshifting Nug

[Illegitimus]

Or separate from each other and leave each other alone. It is simple as that to have peace.

 

Already been tried.  Didn't work.  Nor could it have worked.  A refusal to engage in commerce, diplomacy and mutual assistance gave the Orlesians no reason (or for that matter ability) to talk out a border dispute that was only the latest in centuries worth of such things.  If the Orlesians were winning, the Dales lack of contact with Ferelden meant that they could not call on the only nation with something to gain by ensuring they remained where they were for assistance.  If the Orlesians were losing, then the Ferelden would be frightened enough to attack creating a two front war.  

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

shapeshifting elf dragon... Yes please

And the Armageddon upon the Imperium is nigh!!!!!! I can't wait to burn that mother****** to the ground!!!

[raging_monkey]

I'd love to see a shapeshifting Dragon.... And a shapeshifting Nug

I wanna way a nug

[Andromelek]

I wanna way a nug

Makes me wonder... Is the King of Nugs canon stuff or Just an easter egg?