I don't think Ferelden as a nation existed at that time. This is before Calenhad.
Yeah, the nation of Ferelden didn't exist until 400 years after the fall of the Dales. The Dalish would have only had contact with the various Alamarri tribal groups that existed in the Ferelden valley during that period, such as the Chasind, Avvar and Clayne.
don't speak of the gremlin.... Its already devoured one thread and is working on anotherThis is when I actually start agreeing with N7Phantom.
There's nothing good about those gods.
I only put N7 on ignore because he's homicidal. lol
Dude. Why are you making wild accusations of things that I never said? I'm talking about a video game what I wish I could raise hell @ the Imperium for the evils they've done to the oppressed people and benefitting from their misfortunes. I never said that all of them should die in the real world, I even never said that I hated them or anyone! I hated tyranny, racism, and injustice! I'm speaking out of anger (not hate) because of injustice that we as PoC have to go through and justice has never been served, and because of them I never even said I promote or support extermination of a people in real life! Where are you getting this from? Tevinter is nothing but a place of evil people who does blood sacrifices, enslaving people, set up a system to keep the poor and the disenfranchised to force them into slavery! You don't have to hold a grudge against me because I don't agree with you, I don't expect anyone to agree with me but that's for you to decide. You are you taking things that I said the wrong way and we might have misuderstandings about things.This is when I actually start agreeing with N7Phantom.
There's nothing good about those gods.
I only put N7 on ignore because he's homicidal. lol
Tevinter related question. I was re-reading the codex on Alexius tonight, when he addresses the Magisterium about funding the Circles, and I suddenly noticed how he claims that the Circle in Minrathous is 10,000 years old. That would make it older than the founding of Arlathan. Now I know Dorian says the Tevinter are really up themselves about how ancient and wonderful their culture is but claiming the Circle at Minrathous is 5 times older than the Imperium itself seem to me to be too greater use of hyperbole in a speech to be credible. Still, is this just an example of extreme exaggeration or is this a hint that Minrathous is the site of a much older "Circle" of magic; in other words the centre of the elven empire? In the short story about Calpurnia she is able to sense some sort of power underneath Minrathous and of course the city itself has never fallen, suggesting it is protected by some powerful ancient magic. So outlandish claim of antiquity or something more?
Maybe it was a typo?Tevinter related question. I was re-reading the codex on Alexius tonight, when he addresses the Magisterium about funding the Circles, and I suddenly noticed how he claims that the Circle in Minrathous is 10,000 years old. That would make it older than the founding of Arlathan. Now I know Dorian says the Tevinter are really up themselves about how ancient and wonderful their culture is but claiming the Circle at Minrathous is 5 times older than the Imperium itself seem to me to be too greater use of hyperbole in a speech to be credible. Still, is this just an example of extreme exaggeration or is this a hint that Minrathous is the site of a much older "Circle" of magic; in other words the centre of the elven empire? In the short story about Calpurnia she is able to sense some sort of power underneath Minrathous and of course the city itself has never fallen, suggesting it is protected by some powerful ancient magic. So outlandish claim of antiquity or something more?
Yessssssss. I wants it.Really want to see a magical duel in Tevinter.
Really want to see a magical duel in Tevinter.
Just watch Harry Potter.
I would guess universities since the Circle is not under the State, but those who run the state come out of the Circle, like the Imperial Chantry.I'd wager culturally since if it is another appropriation it could say that the vints are mere copycats.
But if the circle is older and went by a separate name that's another issue. I'm more concerned by how the circle is funded is more a state institute like public school or a collective investment like universities
For all of Dorian's romantic descriptions of crumbling ruins, Tevinter is quite literally falling apart.
The Alexius codex entry has him asking for funds to repair and maintain the ancient, crumbling Circles.
Lords and ladies of the Magisterium, before we vote on the budget for this latest measure against the Qunari, I would ask that we take a moment to consider the state of our institutions of higher learning.
The Circle of Minrathous is more than ten thousand years old. Darinius the Dreamer himself was born within those walls. It continues to be a source of wisdom and guidance for the best and brightest of the Imperium's youth. Yet it falls into disrepair.
Magister Aurarius has made her case several times for increased funding to the Circles, and as yet, her appeals have gone unanswered. Magister Viren has spoken at length on the threat of the oxmen in the north—a tide of brutality that we alone hold back. Let me add this: how shall we defeat the Qunari? How have we held back their advance all these long years without support from the other nations of Thedas? You know the answer: magic. It is our magic that holds the beasts at bay, and through the ingenuity of our magic we will drive them from our shores forever.
My friends and colleagues, this is the battle we prepare our apprentices, sons, and daughters to face. They need the resources to discover new magic, new techniques, that can lend us an advantage in this endless war. They cannot do this while roofs crumble over their heads. Repair the Circles; let the Imperium's future be more than slow decline to the marching steps of legions.
—An address by Magister Alexius to the Magisterium, taken from the official minutes in 9:39 Dragon
The Erimond codex entry also talks of infrastructure repair, that of roads.
My dearest Demetrius,
I hope this letter finds you recovered from those ghastly meetings about road repair or import taxes or whatever terribly important work has consumed your time. I applaud your patriotic efforts to maintain the Imperium's infrastructure while the horned beasts to the north wage bloody war upon us.
I have asked before, but you are my closest friend, and now that you have seen the stirrings of our work, I hoped you might reconsider. You cannot think your talents adequately spent on roadwork, 'Metri. You come from the blood of the Dreamers. My master will restore the Imperium to a greatness it has not seen since our ancestors walked in the Golden City. He will rule not just a nation, but the world; those who show loyalty now stand to reap the benefits when all the world kneels to the Venatori.
Perhaps you are more comfortable with roads. When my master returns Tevinter to the glory it deserves, he will be pleased to find the nation well paved.
Consider well, my friend.
Magister Livius Erimond of Vyrantium
Tevinter mostly focuses on Minrathous anyway, most parts of the country have been ravaged by war at some point, except Minrathous that has never fallen.
The point is that the Circle in Minrathous was built over the Temple of Razikale which in turn may well have been built over something much older. PW confirmed as much in one of his interviews when he says that much of ancient Tevinter was founded old ruins and really that means elven ruins Many of the buildings in Minrathous were constructed with magic and this is apparently all that keeps them standing. If the basis for them was foundations that were constructed in the pre-Veil era, this would account for why Minrathous is literally crumbling away with age. It is possible to get a conversation in the Crossroads with Morrigan in the main game where you can sense the Crossroads is decaying, clearly because of the lack of direct contact with the Fade. Likely why Solas is so concerned about getting rid of the Veil before he loses the Crossroads.
It is possible the same is true of Minrathous, which could mean that the Magisters would actually support Solas' plan considering they are so sure of themselves they probably think they wouldn't perish. Unless, of course, they know the truth of the matter is that everything of old Tevinter was built on the back of elven magic, they never conquered the might of the elven empire and that if the Evanuris should return they should be very afraid indeed (even if they don't instantly perish when the Veil comes down). Which is where Dorian wanting to make them aware of the truth of the matter comes in. Modern Altus are so convinced of their superior magic and bloodlines, they are unaware of how vulnerable they really are. The truth is likely to be found buried in the archives. Nevertheless I am sure there are those Altus who are aware of the truth, just prefer to close their eyes to it. Just like Tevinter responsibility for the Blight. To say "it wasn't us" when their own Chantry is founded on the Canticle of Silence, which clearly points the finger at the activities of the priesthood of the old gods, is splitting hairs to say the least. Corypheus seemed aware of how important elven magic was, which is why he seemed obsessed with getting his hands on as much of it as possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Qunari know more on the matter as well. Strengthening the Veil would have reduced the effectiveness of magical generally but would have greatest impact on their long time enemies, the Tevinter Magisters. If it also weakened or even totally destroyed their unassailable capital, from their point of view that would be even better.
The point is that the Circle in Minrathous was built over the Temple of Razikale which in turn may well have been built over something much older. PW confirmed as much in one of his interviews when he says that much of ancient Tevinter was founded old ruins and really that means elven ruins Many of the buildings in Minrathous were constructed with magic and this is apparently all that keeps them standing. If the basis for them was foundations that were constructed in the pre-Veil era, this would account for why Minrathous is literally crumbling away with age. It is possible to get a conversation in the Crossroads with Morrigan in the main game where you can sense the Crossroads is decaying, clearly because of the lack of direct contact with the Fade. Likely why Solas is so concerned about getting rid of the Veil before he loses the Crossroads.
It is possible the same is true of Minrathous, which could mean that the Magisters would actually support Solas' plan considering they are so sure of themselves they probably think they wouldn't perish. Unless, of course, they know the truth of the matter is that everything of old Tevinter was built on the back of elven magic, they never conquered the might of the elven empire and that if the Evanuris should return they should be very afraid indeed (even if they don't instantly perish when the Veil comes down). Which is where Dorian wanting to make them aware of the truth of the matter comes in. Modern Altus are so convinced of their superior magic and bloodlines, they are unaware of how vulnerable they really are. The truth is likely to be found buried in the archives. Nevertheless I am sure there are those Altus who are aware of the truth, just prefer to close their eyes to it. Just like Tevinter responsibility for the Blight. To say "it wasn't us" when their own Chantry is founded on the Canticle of Silence, which clearly points the finger at the activities of the priesthood of the old gods, is splitting hairs to say the least. Corypheus seemed aware of how important elven magic was, which is why he seemed obsessed with getting his hands on as much of it as possible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Qunari know more on the matter as well. Strengthening the Veil would have reduced the effectiveness of magical generally but would have greatest impact on their long time enemies, the Tevinter Magisters. If it also weakened or even totally destroyed their unassailable capital, from their point of view that would be even better.
Interesting theories, but as of now, they might not necessarily hold true. I quite doubt that some Magisters would support Solas's plans, for a couple of reasons:
1. He's an elf
2. They would never trust the power to raise or lower a Veil to another not of Tevinter blood, not a chance in hell.
In the grand scheme, we also have no idea what human magic was like prior the rising of the Veil, so we do not know for sure if it's erection actually lowered the abilities and power outputs of humans ever after, nor do we know for sure if lowering the Veil would actually increase the abilities of everyone now with magic.
In regards to the Qunari's plan to strengthen the Veil, doing such would not have necessarily lowered the effectiveness of magic, as places even with a stronger Veil hold the same level of effectiveness. Strengthening it in Tevinter might lower the possibility for demons to barge their way through, but that doesn't mean magical constructs in Tevinter will lose their efficacy.
In sum, my point is that just because the raising of the Veil severed the ties of magical constructs anchored both Fade and reality, it does not necessarily equate an actual change in the magical strengths of human and elven mages as well as the effectiveness of magic in general.
Some people dismiss the idea that the Old Gods were evil entities because the Chantry said it and therefore it can't be true.
But the Qunari believe the same thing:
That's already two versions that point in the same direction. Even if a few Old Gods didn't have a destructive nature, I'm not in the same boat as Morrigan with the idea that they're worth preserving.
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