That's not a realistic desire, though... It is highly unlikely that they will make an elf-only game.
Probably not, but as long as people keep wanting a human-only game, I'm going to keep wanting an elf-only game.
The Elf inquisitor is almost equal to human in DA:I based on the thought put behind it.
I would definitely not go that far: What Pride Had Wrought is especially shoddy as an elf (well, it's shoddy as anyone, but for different reasons).
See, if they made a human only game again but with decent backgrounds that add at least as much variety as being able to choose a different race I might go for it. It'd certainly do wonders for the animation/cinematic quality. But. I really like having race options. Disproportionately. I'm looking forward to having a Qunari save everyone this time in DA4.
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And a female elf romancing Solas definitely gets the most out of Inquisition from my perspective, awkward I-forgot-lore-I-grew-up-with moments notwithstanding.
I would definitely not go that far: What Pride Had Wrought is especially shoddy as an elf (well, it's shoddy as anyone, but for different reasons).
Hmmm now that I think about maybe you are right. But I didn't just mean the positive reactions and plot. The Elf inquisitor gets a lot of reaction throughout the game. Not necessarily big ones but there are many of them. Personally I really enjoyed having English subs when hearing Elven language, directly implying your Dalish Inquisitor understands Elven.
Why do you think having Solas as the antagonist is bad? Because it makes the elves (sole elves) the enemy? I didn't mean that I want the human PC and elf antagonist to make the humans look good and the elf bad. I just find it equally interesting of the elf PC elf antagonist situation.Having Solas as an antagonist is, in my opinion, already a terrible idea, and this "contrapposition" would make it even worse. I think the story only works if you can see some kind of benefit in it for you; otherwise, the conflict is as hollow, storywise, as fighting the archdemon from DAO. Also, the Inquisitor was a terrible protagonist and I never want to see them again.
Why do you think having Solas as the antagonist is bad? Because it makes the elves (sole elves) the enemy? I didn't mean that I want the human PC and elf antagonist to make the humans look good and the elf bad. I just find it equally interesting of the elf PC elf antagonist situation.
I don't agree with the inquisitor being a bad protagonist, but I don't care either way who's the new PC. I just meant that with him not being the PC in DA4 I doubt Bioware cares about the personal relationship between the PC and the antagonist.
Because Solas' plan isn't actually that bad in theory, it just has to be accomplished in a less destructive way. I want the Veil to be gone. It's a good goal. The world deserves to return to the way it should be. And then there's also the elves looking bad as another factor.
I don't necessarily agree on being a good goal. If depends on what happens to the people in Thedas now. Not to mention freeing the Evanuris doesn't seem to me like a smart thingto do. I really hope he has a plan for them.Because Solas' plan isn't actually that bad in theory, it just has to be accomplished in a less destructive way. I want the Veil to be gone. It's a good goal. The world deserves to return to the way it should be. And then there's also the elves looking bad as another factor.
That's not a realistic desire, though... It is highly unlikely that they will make an elf-only game.
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At least the method I suggested gives the player some choice. Limited choice is better than no choice. Also, focusing on two races allows them to have more involved origins, and more reactivity to those origins, than having it spread out over four, so elves would still have a significant part to play.
Although I do agree with Gomez that having dwarves in Tevinter would be pretty great, due to their unique status there.
I have to be honest, I'm not really certain how playing a Qunari in Tevinter would work. I mean, Tevinters are already suspicious of Qunari, so even playing a Tal-Vashoth or Vashoth would be pretty difficult. Likewise elves don't get along very well there either. They're either slaves or hostile Dalish, from what I understand, so playing as one of those two races I feel would be like wearing a giant target on your back all the time. It would be impossible to get anything done.
Dwarves and Tevinters get along quite well from what I understand though. You could probably play a dwarf with no problems.
Anyway, the main reason why I'd want all these different backgrounds is because there's all these places and cultures in Thedas that we don't get to really experience outside of just companions. Zevran is the only companion from Antiva, and Isabela is the only one from Rivani, but these two defiantly don't represent their countries of origin as a whole. Isabela doesn't really bring up her home at all.
It might be fun to have two races that you can play with multiple backgrounds that you can choose from. This is all for the sake of immersion of course; I totally understand why people prefer more races. I love having lots of races as well, I just wish there were ways we could have them with backgrounds other than "I'm from Ferelden/the Free Marches". Playing a mage who is from a nation that doesn't acknowledge the Chant of Light where seers get possessed by spirits on a regular basis and you're in a position of respect and honor instead of fear (majority of southern Thedas) and terrified obedience (in the case of Tevinter)- sounds AMAZING to me! It would be so fun to have dialogue with companions where you basically go "Oh, is a Harrowing where you let yourself get possessed? That's cool. My first time I found a spirit of Humor!" not realizing that a Harrowing is literally the exact opposite of what they did as a seer.
I have to be honest, I'm not really certain how playing a Qunari in Tevinter would work. I mean, Tevinters are already suspicious of Qunari, so even playing a Tal-Vashoth or Vashoth would be pretty difficult. Likewise elves don't get along very well there either. They're either slaves or hostile Dalish, from what I understand, so playing as one of those two races I feel would be like wearing a giant target on your back all the time. It would be impossible to get anything done.
Elves always have targets on their backs. It's worked fine in two previous games, and it'll work fine here.
Elves always have targets on their backs. It's worked fine in two previous games, and it'll work fine here.
I'm not advocating the loss of elven PC in DA4, but the situation for the elves will be obviously worse in DA4 then DAO or DAI. Though it might depend on the role we'd have.
I'm not advocating the loss of elven PC in DA4, but the situation for the elves will be obviously worse in DA4 then DAO or DAI. Though it might depend on the role we'd have.
How much more racist is Tevinter than Orlais? Is it much? Because elf mages can still hold social positions of some repute.
How much more racist is Tevinter than Orlais? Is it much? Because elf mages can still hold social positions of some repute.
Fenris's sister apparently believed that being Danarius's apprentice was possible, so they might be able to hold minor positions. Tevinter and Orlais are basically the same, racism-wise. Orlais pretty much has elf-slavery in all but name.
How much more racist is Tevinter than Orlais? Is it much? Because elf mages can still hold social positions of some repute.
I don't know, but I don't think is just a matter of racism. It's more about the role you have, combined with your background. Being a Warden and an Inquisitor helped a lot. We don't know what role exactly we'll get in DA4.
Though in the end we never visited Tevinter, so we don't know exactly how they deal with most elves. The mages and those who work for Tevinter (like the elven slaver in DAO), aren't treated that badly, I guess.
I have to be honest, I'm not really certain how playing a Qunari in Tevinter would work. I mean, Tevinters are already suspicious of Qunari, so even playing a Tal-Vashoth or Vashoth would be pretty difficult. Likewise elves don't get along very well there either. They're either slaves or hostile Dalish, from what I understand, so playing as one of those two races I feel would be like wearing a giant target on your back all the time. It would be impossible to get anything done.
Dwarves and Tevinters get along quite well from what I understand though. You could probably play a dwarf with no problems.
Anyway, the main reason why I'd want all these different backgrounds is because there's all these places and cultures in Thedas that we don't get to really experience outside of just companions. Zevran is the only companion from Antiva, and Isabela is the only one from Rivani, but these two defiantly don't represent their countries of origin as a whole. Isabela doesn't really bring up her home at all.
It might be fun to have two races that you can play with multiple backgrounds that you can choose from. This is all for the sake of immersion of course; I totally understand why people prefer more races. I love having lots of races as well, I just wish there were ways we could have them with backgrounds other than "I'm from Ferelden/the Free Marches". Playing a mage who is from a nation that doesn't acknowledge the Chant of Light where seers get possessed by spirits on a regular basis and you're in a position of respect and honor instead of fear (majority of southern Thedas) and terrified obedience (in the case of Tevinter)- sounds AMAZING to me! It would be so fun to have dialogue with companions where you basically go "Oh, is a Harrowing where you let yourself get possessed? That's cool. My first time I found a spirit of Humor!" not realizing that a Harrowing is literally the exact opposite of what they did as a seer.
I totally get what you're saying. Even though it contradicts canon, at one point I headcanon'd that my Qunquisitor was raised by an Avvar tribe, which helped explain her affinity for Rift magic and her acceptance of Cole.
But I think my only issue is that it makes it feel like humans are the only ones with multiple cultures..? Like, I'd kill to be a dwarf from Kal-Sharok or one from Tevinter's underground embassy ("I'm technically not dirty surfacer scum!!1") because those experiences would be so different from growing up in Orzammar as a noble or casteless, or even as a scrappy surface dwarf. I don't know, I just feel like in a setting that goes out of its way to show that non-humans aren't a monolith, it seems a shame to focus only on the point of view of just human cultures? Sorry if that didn't make sense.
And I definitely agree that an elf protagonist wouldn't be a stretch in Tevinter. Likely they'd get a special status in Tevinter - being a Warden or the Inquisitor allows you to bypass a lot of society's roadblocks, but you still get racist comments thrown your way. I imagine it would play out the same way in a game set in Tevinter.
Well, to be completely fair, we've only been given like 2 different backgrounds for every race besides humans. Quanri are either followers of the Qun, or they're Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth. Elves are either Dalish, or City Elves. Dwarves are either Surfacers, Carta, or live underground. Which is not to say that there aren't other ways for these groups to live, it's just that we've only been given 2-3 examples of how they can live.
Personally I would LOVE to see an elf who's parents were Viddathari, who then ran away because s/he didn't want to be. Or a dwarf who was orphaned but then raised by a kindly Chantry sister. Or a Qunari mage who was found with his/her parents killed by bandits, who was then taken to the Circle when they discovered s/he had magic.
How much more racist is Tevinter than Orlais? Is it much? Because elf mages can still hold social positions of some repute.
I would actually love to have a City Elf Mage option cause that would have soooooo much roleplay potential. And yes, elves can be Laetans, the second highest social class.
Would you be interested in that?
Immensely so, yes.
That'd be really interesting. I wonder if they'll make the hypothetical male human option would be Altus or in the same position of the mage elf.I would actually love to have a City Elf Mage option cause that would have soooooo much roleplay potential. And yes, elves can be Laetans, the second highest social class.
Would you be interested in that?
I would actually love to have a City Elf Mage option cause that would have soooooo much roleplay potential. And yes, elves can be Laetans, the second highest social class.
Would you be interested in that?
Ooooh... That WOULD be fun!
How much more racist is Tevinter than Orlais? Is it much? Because elf mages can still hold social positions of some repute.
For Tevinter it seems to be less about race than about magic. If you can't use magic you're nobody. And then with slaves you're less than nobody.
Edit: of course the Altus, the upper class of Tevinter, are all humans, since they claim decent from the original Tevinter Dreamers.
For Tevinter it seems to be less about race than about magic. If you can't use magic you're nobody. And then with slaves you're less than nobody.
Edit: of course the Altus, the upper class of Tevinter, are all humans, since they claim decent from the original Tevinter Dreamers.
I think Tevinter is a nationalist above all, Tevinter citizens cannot be slaves and some elves are Tevinter citizens, whether they are mages or not. Military is best way to escape being a nobody as even Tevinter needs regular soldiers. But only citizens can join the military. Magic is of course important as well, but yes race seems to be not priority.
Does Tevinter even have Alienages? Those were established after the southern Chantry destroyed the Dales, yeah?
Does Tevinter even have Alienages? Those were established after the southern Chantry destroyed the Dales, yeah?
The destruction of the Dales predates the schism between the northern and southern chantries
And a female elf romancing Solas definitely gets the most out of Inquisition from my perspective, awkward I-forgot-lore-I-grew-up-with moments notwithstanding.
The destruction of the Dales predates the schism between the northern and southern chantries
Still not sure if it had enough influence in Tevinter to make an order like that. If the Tevinter Chantry was able to switch to a new Divine like it did, there had to be some organizational differences in place long before.
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