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[Xilizhra]

This is as beautiful as it is heartbreaking.

Nicely drawn. Someone should do it for other Thedosian societies.

[vertigomez]

This, coupled with the thread title, just gives me this image of people standing around in Ferelden/Orlais, chatting about nothing, and then they hear THUD... THUD... THUD... and it just gets louder and they all collectively go "Aw, craaap. Tevinter is coming." And then the next thing you know there's a giant parade of elephants decked out in gold and silk and jewels and all these Tevinter people are on the elephants eating bonbons and wearing all kinds of lace and silk and expensive things, and of course Dorian is in the front going "WE'RE HEEEEEEEERE!!"

That cracks me up. Only maybe less loud? Like, a spooky hissy snake "we're heeeere~" and then I'll be 200% on board. I have a fierce need.

This is as beautiful as it is heartbreaking.

Love that art and the feelings it invokes. Here's the source.

eta, Calpernia's words come to mind: "'You have no idea what I am,' she said. 'You have never looked down long enough to see what was waiting beneath you. But when the Venatori rise, when a new god burns the Imperium's corruption to dust, the slaves of Tevinter will walk free in the light. I will see it done!'"

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

This, coupled with the thread title, just gives me this image of people standing around in Ferelden/Orlais, chatting about nothing, and then they hear THUD... THUD... THUD... and it just gets louder and they all collectively go "Aw, craaap. Tevinter is coming." And then the next thing you know there's a giant parade of elephants decked out in gold and silk and jewels and all these Tevinter people are on the elephants eating bonbons and wearing all kinds of lace and silk and expensive things, and of course Dorian is in the front going "WE'RE HEEEEEEEERE!!"

 

Sorry, I had to.

[Qun00]

Not as sorry as I am.

[vertigomez]

Lololol.



Though I imagine Tevinter's got more of a wet, muggy, humid heat than a dry desert one...

[Hellion Rex]

This is as beautiful as it is heartbreaking.

Such a perfect picture. It really demonstrates the different walks of life. Dorian with a book, battle scarred Krem, and Fenris with his chains.

Like you said, beautiful but heartbreaking. Tevinter's pride and (arguably) its failure.

[raging_monkey]

I kinds wanna have slaves now

[Xilizhra]

Such a perfect picture. It really demonstrates the different walks of life. Dorian with a book, battle scarred Krem, and Fenris with his chains.

Like you said, beautiful but heartbreaking. Tevinter's pride and (arguably) its failure.

It's a pyramid that exists in every society. Even the Qun would have Saarebas at the bottom.

[Hellion Rex]

I kinds wanna have slaves now

They'd have to handle that very, very carefully. I'm not against it, but it'd need to be handled with care.

[Xilizhra]

They'd have to handle that very, very carefully. I'm not against it, but it'd need to be handled with care.

You can already do it in DA2, and in DAI, you have enslaved Tranquil in the Inquisition.

[Hellion Rex]

You can already do it in DA2, and in DAI, you have enslaved Tranquil in the Inquisition.

Not the same Xil, and you know it. Let's not drag that in here please.

[Xilizhra]

Not the same Xil, and you know it. Let's not drag that in here please.

What, stealing a Tevinter slave and keeping her in your mansion is somehow inherently different?

[Hellion Rex]

What, stealing a Tevinter slave and keeping her in your mansion is somehow inherently different?

For the love of all that's holy, can we not do this in here?

[Xilizhra]

For the love of all that's holy, can we not do this in here?

I'm now genuinely confused. I already stopped talking about the Tranquil, and since the slave you can get in DA2 was originally from Tevinter, it seems entirely germane to the topic.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm now genuinely confused. I already stopped talking about the Tranquil, and since the slave you can get in DA2 was originally from Tevinter, it seems entirely germane to the topic.

.....whoops totally forgot about her. Haven't played Da2 in years.

[The Elder King]

For the love of all that's holy, can we not do this in here?

I'm confused. i always pay Oriana so I don't know how it works exactly, but isn't she basically a slave for Hawke? Or am I missing something from the discussion (I know what you want to avoid about Tranquils, but the DA2 example fits the slave situation in Tevinter, from what I know).

[vertigomez]

It's a pyramid that exists in every society. Even the Qun would have Saarebas at the bottom.

I think the pyramid works better for a nation that actually has a named class system.

The Qun would be more like Iron Bull's "bad" tarot card - nameless, featureless people all lined up in a row, the individual completely subsumed by the demands of society.

In the end, though, everyone's a prisoner. Yay?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I forget. When you choose to extend the offer to Oriana, does it automatically say "I'm gong to pay her, Fenris"? Or is that a secondary dialogue wheel option and you actually can keep her as a slave?

[Xilizhra]

I think the pyramid works better for a nation that actually has a named class system.

The Qun would be more like Iron Bull's "bad" tarot card - nameless, featureless people all lined up in a row, the individual completely subsumed by the demands of society.

In the end, though, everyone's a prisoner. Yay?

That's what the qunari would claim, yes. I don't think the reality matches it.

 

 

I forget. When you choose to extend the offer to Oriana, does it automatically say "I'm gong to pay her, Fenris"? Or is that a secondary dialogue wheel option and you actually can keep her as a slave?

No, there's another dialogue option (which I haven't taken) paraphrased as "slaves are useful."

[Iakus]

I forget. When you choose to extend the offer to Oriana, does it automatically say "I'm gong to pay her, Fenris"? Or is that a secondary dialogue wheel option and you can make like you are indeed going to keep her as a slave?

Paying her is an option, and you can tell Fenris "I'm offering her a job"  You can even tell Orana you'll pay her a second time back home.

 

But for some reason Leandra just sighs and says "An elven slave.  I hope you know what you're doing, dear"

[The Elder King]

I forget. When you choose to extend the offer to Oriana, does it automatically say "I'm gong to pay her, Fenris"? Or is that a secondary dialogue wheel option and you can make like you are indeed going to keep her as a slave?

There's an option to keep her as a slave, though I don't recall how it worked.

[The Elder King]

Paying her is an option, and you can tell Fenris "I'm offering her a job"  You can even tell Orana you'll pay her a second time back home.
 
But for some reason Leandra just sighs and says "An elven slave.  I hope you know what you're doing, dear"

They probably Made a mistake in creating a different dialogue if you pay her and used the other one instead.

[raging_monkey]

They'd have to handle that very, very carefully. I'm not against it, but it'd need to be handled with care.

fallout 3 did and I doubt anyone bitched

[vertigomez]

I forget. When you choose to extend the offer to Oriana, does it automatically say "I'm gong to pay her, Fenris"? Or is that a secondary dialogue wheel option and you actually can keep her as a slave?

Hawke says, "If you go to Kirkwall, I can help you." And then Fenris angrily interjects with the, "I didn't know you were in the market for a slave" comment. That's when you say you're giving her a job, not keeping her as a slave.

edit: Wow, super ninja'd and I didn't read the question right. Yes, you can actually make her your slave. Why Fenris doesn't try to murder you then and there is a mystery.

[raging_monkey]

They probably Made a mistake in creating a different dialogue if you pay her and used the other one instead.

or she's stating a fact she is a slave by vint law who was "illegally" freed. Doesn't make it better but that's how it could be interpeted