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#14901
AlleluiaElizabeth

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Yeah, I always interpreted Leandra's comment to be a reference to Oriana's situation, not a dev oversight.Technically, Oriana is still a slave by Tevinter law. I would assume she'd be legally considered inherited by Hadriana's next of kin if she ever went back. So, Oriana is an elven slave. She's free now (if you chose that, apparently), but its still accurate in conversation to say Hawke took in an elven slave.

 

 

edit: Wow, super ninja'd and I didn't read the question right. Yes, you can actually make her your slave. Why Fenris doesn't try to murder you then and there is a mystery.

And the possibilities for an evil playthrough of DA2 just get better and better. lol (I know it wouldn't *have* to make you evil to do this, but there are very few moral justifications, I think).


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Yeah, I always interpreted Leandra's comment to be a reference to Oriana's situation, not a dev oversight.Technically, Oriana is still a slave by Tevinter law. I would assume she'd be legally considered inherited by Hadriana's next of kin if she ever went back. So, Oriana is an elven slave. She's free now (if you chose that, apparently), but its still accurate in conversation to say Hawke took in an elven slave.

luia you always say what I say just perfectly

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luia you always say what I say just perfectly

hah Just stating my agreement in my overly wordy way.  :D



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Paying her is an option, and you can tell Fenris "I'm offering her a job"  You can even tell Orana you'll pay her a second time back home.

 

But for some reason Leandra just sighs and says "An elven slave.  I hope you know what you're doing, dear"

 

As an aside, I first heard that ambient dialogue after Hawke had slept with Fenris, so the first time I heard it I thought Leandra was referring to that and not Orana, particularly because I did pay her, so she wasn't a slave. But of course she says it even without the Fenris bit, so there goes that. It was an odd happenstance on my first play.

 

 

fallout 3 did and I doubt anyone bitched

 

Fallout, as far as I know, doesn't have the same story universe history with slavery that Dragon Age does. I don't think it's an accurate comparison.



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As an aside, I first heard that ambient dialogue after Hawke had slept with Fenris, so the first time I heard it I thought Leandra was referring to that and not Orana, particularly because I did pay her, so she wasn't a slave. But of course she says it even without the Fenris bit, so there goes that. It was an odd happenstance on my first play.

I had the same thing happen. lol I was like:

 

"Look, mom. I know he doesn't have the best social prospects, but I can cover that. We're rich! And you know you like him.

 

".... Not that it matters, anyway, because he left me! T_T"  *proceeds to cry until Isabela's issues start to surface and things get serious again*

 

Fallout, as far as I know, doesn't have the same story universe history with slavery that Dragon Age does. I don't think it's an accurate comparison.

Also, I think you are expected to be able to be a complete *** in a Fallout game, if you so choose. In fact, that's half the crit I hear about FO4. Its hard (not impossible, I'm sure, but hard) to play an actually despicable character. 

 

Though, if you could own a slave in DA4, I doubt it'd be any worse than Orana's situation. Like I doubt they'd let you do anything truly evil to the slave other than owning them and maybe treating them like a jerk. They'd likely also offer the option to be kind to them. But I seriously doubt Bioware will allow the route, at all.



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Now if only Calpernia would show up in DA4, my totally accidental quest to romance befriend constantly underestimated blond people from the dregs of society will finally be complete.

*cue maniacal laughter*

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Now if only Calpernia would show up in DA4, my totally accidental quest to romance befriend constantly underestimated blond people from the dregs of society will finally be complete.

*cue maniacal laughter*

left cal is so last year it's all about Mae... Woof

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Now if only Calpernia would show up in DA4, my totally accidental quest to romance befriend constantly underestimated blond people from the dregs of society will finally be complete.

*cue maniacal laughter*

So... Zevran/Anders/Sera, then?



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hah Just stating my agreement in my overly wordy way. :D

Like I said perfect

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left cal is so last year it's all about Mae... Woof




So... Zevran/Anders/Sera, then?


Fenris, but he only barely counts 'cause I suspect that white hair is due to excessive lyrium exposure. Or stress. :P

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Yes... Both... I'm going to rule 34 this now lol

#14912
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His tattoos are essentially mercury poisoning

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If we had the ability to play a noble it would be weird not to have slaves (which seems not unlikely if we have multiple races). I definitely would not want to start out sans slaves because my char is just oh so enlightened, I'd wanna make that decision manually. And probably only after something suitably introspection worthy happened.



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If we had the ability to play a noble it would be weird not to have slaves (which seems not unlikely if we have multiple races). I definitely would not want to start out sans slaves because my char is just oh so enlightened, I'd wanna make that decision manually. And probably only after something suitably introspection worthy happened.


People have been guessing at a human noble / non-human slave origin. It'd be funny if they all started in the same household, just erm... different circumstances.
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#14915
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It would keep it simple and unified

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Though, if you could own a slave in DA4, I doubt it'd be any worse than Orana's situation. Like I doubt they'd let you do anything truly evil to the slave other than owning them and maybe treating them like a jerk. They'd likely also offer the option to be kind to them. But I seriously doubt Bioware will allow the route, at all.

 

Pffft! Pussie-cats.



#14917
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I'd be amused of if they went old school about it people love got nowadays it's "hip and real"

#14918
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If they include slaves, they will most likely take the easy path. You can't actually select a conversation option from the wheel, and all the interaction with the slaves are automatic. Its probably only first few minutes of the game anyway, if it happens.



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But it's not "hip or cool"

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The word you're looking for is "dark and edgy"



#14921
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The word you're looking for is "dark and edgy"

eh mines more insulting tbh

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Lololol.



Though I imagine Tevinter's got more of a wet, muggy, humid heat than a dry desert one...

Yeah, I kind of imagine Tevinter as being like India- very lush, very green, rich in wildlife and plant life, but incredibly hot most of the year. 



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People have been guessing at a human noble / non-human slave origin. It'd be funny if they all started in the same household, just erm... different circumstances.

I actually think that this would be pretty cool. Every race starts out as being a member of/slave of/prisoner (if qunari) of this one family. But in the very beginning of the game, the family is somehow attacked and destroyed, leaving the player, no matter their race or origin, penniless and without allies or friends. Which would make it even more difficult for a human since they were at one time, noble and wealthy.

 

Also, I really like the name Athena for a female mage, even though I know that it's technically Greek, not Roman.


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Yeah, I kind of imagine Tevinter as being like India- very lush, very green, rich in wildlife and plant life, but incredibly hot most of the year.


If there's a monsoon, I will **** myself.

I actually think that this would be pretty cool. Every race starts out as being a member of/slave of/prisoner (if qunari) of this one family. But in the very beginning of the game, the family is somehow attacked and destroyed, leaving the player, no matter their race or origin, penniless and without allies or friends. Which would make it even more difficult for a human since they were at one time, noble and wealthy.
 
Also, I really like the name Athena for a female mage, even though I know that it's technically Greek, not Roman.


Could always go with Minerva. ;) But eh, Dorian is also a Greek name so I wouldn't be too fussed about it. I imagine a lot of Tevinter nobles would give their kids literary and historic names, so they could really come from anywhere.

But yes, I think an origin like that would tie in nicely! Though I don't know about an attack. That seems too similar to the Cousland origin. Maybe there's a plot, and you can help/hinder your relatives or master, either to further your own ambitions or just to escape.

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People have been guessing at a human noble / non-human slave origin. It'd be funny if they all started in the same household, just erm... different circumstances.


I actually think that this would be pretty cool. Every race starts out as being a member of/slave of/prisoner (if qunari) of this one family. But in the very beginning of the game, the family is somehow attacked and destroyed, leaving the player, no matter their race or origin, penniless and without allies or friends. Which would make it even more difficult for a human since they were at one time, noble and wealthy.
 
Also, I really like the name Athena for a female mage, even though I know that it's technically Greek, not Roman.

 
YES I think this is really great. It's not unlike how with the origins in DAO the various events happen regardless. A casteless fights in the proving to honor the new Aeducan commander. The new Aeducan commander is accused of assassinating Trian. The Couslands are still massacred. Jowan still escapes. There is still an elven wedding. Tamlen is still er... killed, goes missing? All of these events still happen, but the PC experiences them differently depending on the origin.
 
Here is a scenario.
 
Human altus goes to watch gladiatorial slave matches in the Minrathous Grand Proving Arena. Because it is a proving arena, I would assume that dwarven members of the ambassadoria also go there. The matches are between human, elf, and qunari slaves, both mage and non-mage. Some incident happens (not necessarily an attack) and the PC manages to survive, somehow, bringing attention to themselves from Dorian/Maevaris who wants to use them for whatever. I think this takes care of ALL race and class possibilities. If we have the Carta thrown in there as well, perhaps running a betting ring at the arena, that offers a couple of backgrounds each for human and dwarf.
 
I highly, HIGHLY doubt the altus PC, if we have one, will be a magister themselves as there really isn't anywhere to go from that point, and they would likely already know Dorian and Maevaris and either have been approached by them, scoffed at their naive efforts at reformation, or despise them for trying to change the system they benefit from. But, they may be the heir of a magister, as Dorian was in DAI, waiting in the wings to take their parent's seat in the future.

 

This method also allows the devs to skirt the issue of slave ownership with a technicality. As Dorian says himself, HE doesn't own slaves, but his family does. This may sound like mere semantics, but when you consider that the owner has the final say, it does mean something in that regard.


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