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Maevaris and Calpernia have a completely different take on the sort of reform they want and have completely different backgrounds.   Maevaris is an Altus.   As I understand it, like Dorian, Maevaris doesn't have a problem with the endemic slavery of Tevinter and even keeps slaves herself.    She may treat them well but she still doesn't want the system of slavery removed, or it certainly isn't her number one priority.    Dorian and Maevaris are more about trying to get the corruption out of politics, particularly the use of blood magic behind the scenes, and also encouraging working with other nations rather than looking down on them, but it didn't strike me they wanted to radically alter the way Tevinter society runs in terms of the class system.   I would imagine that the majority of the Lucerni are enthusiastic young Altus, plus possibly a few Laetans.   When Solas suggested to Dorian that he should free all the slaves in Tevinter, Dorian expressed doubt that he could achieve that.   He was being realistic because he knew that his fellow Altus would never accept such a suggestion and Maevaris would know that too.    The last Archon that tried it was assassinated.    Both may be subject to attempts on their lives but their ideas are not so radical as to necessitate their immediate destruction because those at the top, like the Archon and the Black Divine, do not truly feel threatened by their ideas.

 

Calpernia is an ex-slave.    She was contemptuous of the Altus ruling class, feeling they had not earned the lofty position they occupied and were trading off their family name and past glories rather than true ability.  She wants a Tevinter where slaves are elevated to true citizenship and are allowed to reach their true potential, which if taken to its logical conclusion means gifted former slaves occupying the highest positions in the land because they have earned that right.    Remember she was quite willing to work with a bunch of people who wanted Tevinter to once again rule Thedas.   This is likely because she feels that the truly gifted should be the ones to rule and she personally has potential power that far exceeds anything that can be found in the non-mage ruled nations.    She wants Tevinter to be "a crafter of wonders and a beacon of hope against the savage Qunari" but I doubt she would be willing to serve under anyone she considers her inferior.     It is small wonder that the Archon (and likely the Black Divine) wanted her dead, even without the Venatori connection, because her ambition for Tevinter would likely see them deposed from power along with all the other "undeserving" Altus families.    

 

Calpernia is not part of the establishment, like Maevaris, but very much in rebellion against it.   So if it were decided to bring them both into play as companions in the next game, they would be at opposite extremes of the social spectrum and likely in opposition with each other, verbally if nothing else.


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#14952
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I'd probably side 28th Mae's faction over cals should it exist respectively

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God, I am so excited for Calpernia's perspective, even if her presence is a long shot. I'm fascinated by the idea of an ex-slave Tevinter supremacist who loves magic and hates the Qunari. Like, regardless of whether or not I agree with her, that's cool. That's interesting. She's got something that both Fenris and Dorian have touched on but that neither of them can claim and it's just. got. soooo much potential.

also she's so pretty. lookit her cute freckles. lookit her cute teef help i love her
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Yeah I imagine cal's plan to go like the Haitian slve revolt lota death or maybe django

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Yeah I imagine cal's plan to go like the Haitian slve revolt lota death or maybe django


I didn't say she had good ideas, just captivating ones. :whistle:

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Thinking with the head again lol...

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I didn't say she had good ideas, just captivating ones. :whistle:

As a Solasmancer, I know that feel. 

 

I really have to get around to my 2nd Inquisitor and doing Champions of the Just one of these days. I've only seen Calpernia in youtube videos.



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I haven't seen Calpernia at all, just read her wiki entry and read that she's apparently a dev favorite. Which automatically gets her some brownie points cuz you know you've probably hit something  interesting if even the creators take the time to be intrigued by it.



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Maevaris and Calpernia have a completely different take on the sort of reform they want and have completely different backgrounds.   Maevaris is an Altus.   As I understand it, like Dorian, Maevaris doesn't have a problem with the endemic slavery of Tevinter and even keeps slaves herself.    She may treat them well but she still doesn't want the system of slavery removed, or it certainly isn't her number one priority.    Dorian and Maevaris are more about trying to get the corruption out of politics, particularly the use of blood magic behind the scenes, and also encouraging working with other nations rather than looking down on them, but it didn't strike me they wanted to radically alter the way Tevinter society runs in terms of the class system.   I would imagine that the majority of the Lucerni are enthusiastic young Altus, plus possibly a few Laetans.   When Solas suggested to Dorian that he should free all the slaves in Tevinter, Dorian expressed doubt that he could achieve that.   He was being realistic because he knew that his fellow Altus would never accept such a suggestion and Maevaris would know that too.    The last Archon that tried it was assassinated.    Both may be subject to attempts on their lives but their ideas are not so radical as to necessitate their immediate destruction because those at the top, like the Archon and the Black Divine, do not truly feel threatened by their ideas.

 

Calpernia is an ex-slave.    She was contemptuous of the Altus ruling class, feeling they had not earned the lofty position they occupied and were trading off their family name and past glories rather than true ability.  She wants a Tevinter where slaves are elevated to true citizenship and are allowed to reach their true potential, which if taken to its logical conclusion means gifted former slaves occupying the highest positions in the land because they have earned that right.    Remember she was quite willing to work with a bunch of people who wanted Tevinter to once again rule Thedas.   This is likely because she feels that the truly gifted should be the ones to rule and she personally has potential power that far exceeds anything that can be found in the non-mage ruled nations.    She wants Tevinter to be "a crafter of wonders and a beacon of hope against the savage Qunari" but I doubt she would be willing to serve under anyone she considers her inferior.     It is small wonder that the Archon (and likely the Black Divine) wanted her dead, even without the Venatori connection, because her ambition for Tevinter would likely see them deposed from power along with all the other "undeserving" Altus families.    

 

Calpernia is not part of the establishment, like Maevaris, but very much in rebellion against it.   So if it were decided to bring them both into play as companions in the next game, they would be at opposite extremes of the social spectrum and likely in opposition with each other, verbally if nothing else.

I'm absolutely in Calpernia's camp here, which is why I said the Lucerni might be misguided. I think that hereditary rulership is a poor system in general and see no real value in ruling families, and would very much enjoy establishing a true meritocracy, freeing the slaves, and crushing the qunari.



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I really have to get around to my 2nd Inquisitor and doing Champions of the Just one of these days. I've only seen Calpernia in youtube videos.


I haven't seen Calpernia at all, just read her wiki entry and read that she's apparently a dev favorite. Which automatically gets her some brownie points cuz you know you've probably hit something  interesting if even the creators take the time to be intrigued by it.


Speaking of YouTube. :bandit: There she is, the very picture of righteous indignation... spine of steeeeel. Her short story, Paying the Ferryman is still my favorite character piece so far.



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There is only so much change you can do in a certain time from the inside. I doubt Dorian and Maevaris expect they're going to enact radical change overnight.

 

No, the ONLY way there will be radical change is if it's forced from the outside, either by a slave revolt, a Qunari invasion, Solas's machinations, or all of these put together. In the end, it may just be too much for Tevinter to handle and she will collapse under the pressure.



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That's most likely best to keep the current moral evil less a bigger one comes

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There is only so much change you can do in a certain time from the inside. I doubt Dorian and Maevaris expect they're going to enact radical change overnight.

No, the ONLY way there will be radical change is if it's forced from the outside, either by a slave revolt, a Qunari invasion, Solas's machinations, or all of these put together. In the end, it may just be too much for Tevinter to handle and she will collapse under the pressure.


Ya, I doubt Tevinter can handle a second Transfiguration... well, maybe... but not with the Qunari threat.

Calpernia. Make Tevinter Great Again!

There are different reform ideas at play it seems. You have the radical, return to golden age (without slaves?) group. You have the moderate, reform to be more agreeable with the south. I bet there is also a group that wants a second Transfiguration, with mages and mundanes both being able to hold high offices, like Archon. Of course there will be the anarchists and ones that want to keep things as they are.
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I don't think Calpernia will have any political influence though, aiding the Elder One is as big as scandal goes in Tevinter. The only support she would ever get would be from slaves.



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Cal being trump... Hehe

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Daerog

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I don't think Calpernia will have any political influence though, aiding the Elder One is as big as scandal goes in Tevinter. The only support she would ever get would be from slaves.


Maybe. She is still a very powerful mage and the Venatori likely uncovered plenty of artifacts and secrets that'll give her more power... if she's still alive, that is.

The Venatori could still continue, they don't have to die with Cory, they are fanatically loyal to the idea of a powerful Tevinter and can be useful to some magisters.

Oh, it would be so awesome if the PC of DA4 can become the new leader of the Venatori. They are based on merit, not bloodlines, right?

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There is only so much change you can do in a certain time from the inside. I doubt Dorian and Maevaris expect they're going to enact radical change overnight.

 

No, the ONLY way there will be radical change is if it's forced from the outside, either by a slave revolt, a Qunari invasion, Solas's machinations, or all of these put together. In the end, it may just be too much for Tevinter to handle and she will collapse under the pressure.

They already had one slave revolt (Andraste's Exalted March)  And a Qunari invasion (the Qunari Wars) and neither significantly altered Tevinter society.

 

We'll just have to see what Solas can do now  :D



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After reading that short story (thank you for the link ^_^) I'm not even sure Calpernia wants to do away with slavery. She sounds like she just wants the opportunity for slaves to rise from that lowest of social classes to the highest, if they've got some kind of intrisic value or work hard enough. Like a meritocracy with a slave class as the bottom rung. The ones who don't merit greater worth, however you're measuring that, aren't mentioned and it sounds like she'd be fine with them staying slaves.

 

Add in her fascination with power for power's sake; and the line about "in the old days, the blood sacrifice bought something. it was worth something.", which indicates she's fine with the sacrifice of others' blood if its for a worthy enough cause/cool enough spell, and... yeah,I have so many more problems with her now. XD

 

(Her and Marius were cute, though. I ship it.)



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They already had one slave revolt (Andraste's Exalted March) And a Qunari invasion (the Qunari Wars) and neither significantly altered Tevinter society.

We'll just have to see what Solas can do now :D


I'm thinking more along the lines of them happening simultaneously. They will need the military to put down a slave revolt. They will need the military to fight the Qunari. They will need slaves to support the military in their fight against the Qunari. And we don't know what threat Solas will impose. They can't do everything all at once.

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They already had one slave revolt (Andraste's Exalted March) And a Qunari invasion (the Qunari Wars) and neither significantly altered Tevinter society.

We'll just have to see what Solas can do now :D


Andraste's war lost Tevinter it's satellite territories and set the stage for a revolution with a new, foreign faith sweeping through the populace. However, it was more of a combination of the First Blight, Andraste, and then revolution, not just one event...

It just reverted back because the Altus were able to regain power and influence after almost being killed off.

If any change will happen... I'll guess a returning, influencial general would need to be involved, if not the Archon himself.

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Andraste's war lost Tevinter it's satellite territories and set the stage for a revolution with a new, foreign faith sweeping through the populace. However, it was more of a combination of the First Blight, Andraste, and then revolution, not just one event...

It just reverted back because the Altus were able to regain power and influence after almost being killed off.

If any change will happen... I'll guess a returning, influencial general would need to be involved, if not the Archon himself.

Ooo, I wonder if they have a Ceasar waiting in the wings? Off in Seheron, I'd assume.



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Ooo, I wonder if they have a Ceasar waiting in the wings? Off in Seheron, I'd assume.

Caesar toppled a Republic and created an Empire.

 

What might such a person do to with an empire already made?



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Caesar toppled a Republic and created an Empire.

What might such a person do to with an empire already made?


A Super Empire!

Or communism... nah, Super Empire!

(While it is an empire... sorta... the magisterium has more power than the Archon, like the bannorn has more power than Fereldan's crown.)

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A Super Empire!

Or communism... nah, Super Empire!

(While it is an empire... sorta... the magisterium has more power than the Archon, like the bannorn has more power than Fereldan's crown.)

But the Archon gets invited to all the best parties!


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After reading that short story (thank you for the link ^_^) I'm not even sure Calpernia wants to do away with slavery. She sounds like she just wants the opportunity for slaves to rise from that lowest of social classes to the highest, if they've got some kind of intrisic value or work hard enough. Like a meritocracy with a slave class as the bottom rung. The ones who don't merit greater worth, however you're measuring that, aren't mentioned and it sounds like she'd be fine with them staying slaves.

 

Add in her fascination with power for power's sake; and the line about "in the old days, the blood sacrifice bought something. it was worth something.", which indicates she's fine with the sacrifice of others' blood if its for a worthy enough cause/cool enough spell, and... yeah,I have so many more problems with her now. XD

 

(Her and Marius were cute, though. I ship it.)

 

I agree about the slave thing, her wanting the Archon to hear the voice of the slaves and talking about how a life sacrificed use to mean something (not that sacrifices are unnecessary) coupled with her sincere love of the Imperium and that Imperium's reliance on slaves makes me wonder whether she wants something as clear cut as the establishment of slavery. Buy maybe she says that in DAI, I'unno.

 

I'm fine with power for power's sake though.

 

And I so do not ship her and Marius, that guy was like 68% of the reason I dropped the Magekiller series after the second one. But I do like his specialization, I wanna see mage-killers in Tevinter for real.