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[raging_monkey]

Same

[Daerog]

Meh, I'm not sold on the elves giving magic to humans theory really.

Well, considering that Tevinter has the idea on the importance of proper mating for better mages... or something like that... I don't it is too strange a theory that there is elf blood in the ancient houses, since ancient Vints probably saw some interesting elf magic. Also, having elf blood seems to be helpful when dealing with some elf magic, like those mirrors.

Still, one doesn't need elf blood to do magic... unless a very disturbed elf became infatuated with a ghast...

[raging_monkey]

Damn ghastholes

[Lulupab]

Many lores did it before, that's why people have that theory. I mean magic originating with Elves.

 

If it was something you could learn then Elves taught to humans, if it was something you inherit with birth then breeding did it.

[Hellion Rex]

Well, considering that Tevinter has the idea on the importance of proper mating for better mages... or something like that... I don't it is too strange a theory that there is elf blood in the ancient houses, since ancient Vints probably saw some interesting elf magic. Also, having elf blood seems to be helpful when dealing with some elf magic, like those mirrors.

Still, one doesn't need elf blood to do magic... unless a very disturbed elf became infatuated with a ghast...

Oh I can certainly agree that maybe breeding with elves might have given rise to perhaps more exceptional talent or allowing humans to better utilize stolen elven magic but I don't think that magic originated from the elves themselves and their blood.

[The Elder King]

Well, considering that Tevinter has the idea on the importance of proper mating for better mages... or something like that... I don't it is too strange a theory that there is elf blood in the ancient houses, since ancient Vints probably saw some interesting elf magic. Also, having elf blood seems to be helpful when dealing with some elf magic, like those mirrors.

Still, one doesn't need elf blood to do magic... unless a very disturbed elf became infatuated with a ghast...

Well, there's another theory for that. If the Old Gods, which we knew did talk with humans and possibly lead to the creation of the Imperium, were really the Forgotten Ones, they might've lead humans to model their society about the ancient elves society. After all, based on what we know the Imperium and Arlathan have many things in common.

[Gervaise]

You know, I'd totally forgotten about the ghasts.   That is something that has never been explained.    They are humanoid creatures that clearly have a degree of intelligence that were never mentioned outside of that one DLC and the source books and they can do magic.   Where did they fit into the scheme of things in ancient times?   Were they around at the time of the Evanuris?    Were they one of Ghilan'nain's experiments?

 

Giants are pretty much the same, without the magic.   In all our time in Ferelden in DAO we never ran into any or heard mention of them.   Admittedly the majority seem to be on the other side of the mountains but then we see that one on the Storm Coast.    Over in the Dales the Emerald Graves is crawling with them.   Where did they come from?   Why did they suddenly appear now?    The civil war in Orlais had lasted barely a year, surely not sufficient time for word to spread to the giants holed up in the Frostback Mountains, if that is where they had been residing up to now, that the graves were no longer defended.     

 

May be there will be more new humanoid discoveries for us up in the remoter parts of Tevinter.  

[nightscrawl]

^ Ghasts are... ghastly, and more annoying than a swarm of deepstalkers. I'll be quite happy if we never see them again.

[raging_monkey]

And they have super barriers

[Gervaise]

Oh, I agree, they were terribly annoying; all the more so because the first time I encountered them I was thinking "what in the hell are these?"     They are clearly so irritating that even the darkspawn aren't interested in them.

[Lulupab]

Their very existence can be possibly retconned.

[vertigomez]

You know, I'd totally forgotten about the ghasts.   That is something that has never been explained.    They are humanoid creatures that clearly have a degree of intelligence that were never mentioned outside of that one DLC and the source books and they can do magic.   Where did they fit into the scheme of things in ancient times?   Were they around at the time of the Evanuris?    Were they one of Ghilan'nain's experiments?
 
Giants are pretty much the same, without the magic.   In all our time in Ferelden in DAO we never ran into any or heard mention of them.   Admittedly the majority seem to be on the other side of the mountains but then we see that one on the Storm Coast.    Over in the Dales the Emerald Graves is crawling with them.   Where did they come from?   Why did they suddenly appear now?    The civil war in Orlais had lasted barely a year, surely not sufficient time for word to spread to the giants holed up in the Frostback Mountains, if that is where they had been residing up to now, that the graves were no longer defended.     
 
May be there will be more new humanoid discoveries for us up in the remoter parts of Tevinter.

There's also the fex, unless they've been retconned or were a joke in the first place. Didn't DG say they were a sentient race native to Par Vollen?

Then there are... whatever the qunari used to be. Kossith? Pre-kossith? I have no idea.

[The Ascendant]

What is the most important physical act when casting a spell? In a lot of games you see the character make a gesture, a motion, utter a phrase or speak in an ancient language. What about Mages in DA.

[Lulupab]

I suppose thinking/focusing then directing the created force be it fire, lightning etc with your hand or staff. I think in DA no sort of speaking is needed, you are drawing form the fade and unleashing it on the waking world.

 

Maybe that is also why a lot of training is needed, self burning or self shocking would happen a lot otherwise.

[vertigomez]

Speaking probably helps you focus, but like a staff it's not actually necessary. I'd say the same about hand gestures - they help you direct your spell when casting, but theoretically you don't have to wave at something to make it explode.

One thing I really appreciated was when they moved away from the very stationary mages in DAO to giving them more dynamic combat movements. Also I like being able to whack things with my staff when they get too close.

[Gervaise]

Well if you are the Dread Wolf then all you have to do is stand or walk casually with your hands behind your back and then let you eyes glow.   He doesn't even have to be looking at the focus of his spell.   He can even be distracted by a kiss and still do magic.

 

For normal mages in DAO it was about hand gestures.   I remember that my arcane warrior had to sheath their sword before they could do spells but if using a staff then it could be used as a focus for the energy.    I rather liked that way of doing things.     Then from DA2 onwards it seemed they had to have a staff but I've no idea why.  May be it is still a way of channelling the energy.    Presumably the foci work in a similar way, plus can be used to give a power boost.

[Hellion Rex]

What is the most important physical act when casting a spell? In a lot of games you see the character make a gesture, a motion, utter a phrase or speak in an ancient language. What about Mages in DA.

Yeah, I don't think speaking is really necessary.

However, we do have instances where words do invoke power. The Litany of Adralla, for instance.

[Hellion Rex]

Well if you are the Dread Wolf then all you have to do is stand or walk casually with your hands behind your back and then let you eyes glow. He doesn't even have to be looking at the focus of his spell. He can even be distracted by a kiss and still do magic.

For normal mages in DAO it was about hand gestures. I remember that my arcane warrior had to sheath their sword before they could do spells but if using a staff then it could be used as a focus for the energy. I rather liked that way of doing things. Then from DA2 onwards it seemed they had to have a staff but I've no idea why. May be it is still a way of channelling the energy. Presumably the foci work in a similar way, plus can be used to give a power boost.

Yeah, when you're at Solas or Flemeth level of power, the normal requirements go out the window, I'd argue.

[raging_monkey]

Incantations are a thing so words have power

[Hellion Rex]

Incantations are a thing so words have power

Quite. 

 

Some things do require, and others do not. I would hazard to say that the more powerful mages (Solas and Flemeth level) are perhaps less reliant on such incantations and can invoke certain effects through sheer power and will.

[raging_monkey]

Also sigil that are drawn aka fma transmutation is a thing too. I'd say most traditional magic exists and i guess magic based on singing of qndraste was real

[vertigomez]

Some things do require, and others do not. I would hazard to say that the more powerful mages (Solas and Flemeth level) are perhaps less reliant on such incantations and can invoke certain effects through sheer power and will.

This is my thought, as well. Now how do you out mage an archmage?

Also sigil that are drawn aka fma transmutation is a thing too. I'd say most traditional magic exists and i guess magic based on singing of qndraste was real

I bet we'll see something resembling ceremonial or Hermetic magic as we focus on Tevinter (and their Circles that probably contain a loooot more than what the southern Circles can get away with). Lots of sigils and evocations, spooky robes.

One of my favorite things in this game was the magic nerdery that Dorian, Vivienne, and Solas all went through at some point. Discussing how Viv "front-loads her barriers" or Dorian putting his foot in his mouth where Tevinter/ancient elf magic was concerned. It really lends to the feeling of magic being something you have to study, even if it's innate.

It's like they were talking shop. It's all very technical. Makes me more careful about choosing a spec, too, because it's not just about what looks cool but what makes sense for this mage character? Why do they want to learn this, do they have a natural aptitude or do they just think it's interesting?

[raging_monkey]

Honestly even studying how to pee has to be done. Magic is just a nother toilet

[vertigomez]

Honestly even studying how to pee has to be done. Magic is just a nother toilet

Well...

[raging_monkey]

So mages can pee fire... Think that's something you get from sex