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The Tevinter Imperium support thread- "Tevinter is coming"


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Gervaise

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Depends in what way you mean significant.   If we are talking about the rise and success of Tevinter, then without a doubt it is Archon Darinius.  He united the three kingdoms into the Imperium with, so far as I can tell, only one death required; that of his treacherous uncle.   He negotiated an alliance with the dwarves that has lasted to this day, which is pretty good going considering how the activities of certain Tevinter Magisters impacted so terribly on the dwarves.   He was an amazingly gifted Dreamer who also, allegedly, had the ability to converse with and use animals on his behalf.   So as a talented mage and diplomat I'd say that Thedas has never seen his equal.

 

The other two candidates really can only be evaluated in terms of who had the most detrimental affect on the Imperium.   Corypheus led his fellow priests in a doomed assault on the Golden City and even if they weren't actually responsible for the creation of the Blight, certainly seem to have unleashed it on the world.     Tevinter was the first to feel the effects of their action out of the human nations and was never the same again.      Archon Hessarian brought the Imperium to worship of the Maker.   In so doing he made a bloodbath of his opponents among the Altus, even if he did do the very laudable action of throwing open the doors of his religion and thus indirectly the Magisterium, to the Soporati.   Whether the adoption of faith in the Maker was ultimately to the benefit of the Imperium is arguable, particularly considering the way that the subsequent generations tried to initially appease the southern Chantry in order to earn their recognition.   Ultimately little of what he started has actually endured and the weakened state of Tevinter today is likely due to his actions.     I'd say, of the two, Corypheus had the more devastating affect on Tevinter and the rest of the world, so from that point of view he was the more significant.


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On staves, I think I recall that in DA2 they kind of make it a staves are necessary for focusing magic, or something like this. The Knight-Enchanters still have a staff.

Mages can still use magic without, I think, though it's kind of a retcon compared to DAO in terms of how much powerful the mage can be without a staff.

 

Post-Trespasser Solas doesn't need to use his hands to petrify a group of Qunari soldiers.

Solas isn't exactly an average mage. I'm not sure you can even compare him to the most powerful mages now in Thedas, or even in Thedas' history post-Veil. The Evanuris/Fen'harel seem to be in another league so far.



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When it comes to staves, it appears that having them probably helps focus the more complex spells. In Origins, a mage PC can cast simple spells without a staff, and Saarabas use only their hands and willpower. I have a feeling that using your hands alone probably makes the spell a little more powerful, while having a staff/wand/what have you allows the spell to be more refined in the sense that it's directed better.

 

And I agree with whoever said that a wand for a mage would be awesome. I LOVE the idea of my mage waving a wand around, making jokes like "it's not size that matters, it's how you use it" while everyone around her face-palms.



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One can use any object as a mental focus for spells. Most just stick with the tried and true though.

 

Zither, for example, doesn't break the lore to me. He's SO about song and music, that his instrument IS his 'staff'. I can imagine similarly for a very literary minded person using a tome, an especially physically fit person using a blade, a very fashion minded person even using their CLOTHING. But most will not, and especially most are not taught this way of things. In Tevinter we may or may not see some more variety, we already see how the Qunari go with their fists, but there may be 'hedge mages' (officially or figuratively) that figure out their own ways to channel their will.

 

Even if the initial series arc (several games) sticks with staves, there would be nothing stopping Bioware from later games, going beyond this timeline or continent, in showing others using magic in other ways. Point is, staves are no hard set rule - it just fits with the human history on known Thedas, and especially how we've known the Circle to train their mages, in ways that both help and hinder how mages perform their magic (Yermogi may be correct that it is oriented around a controlled and directed form of spells; this is very 'Circle' and 'safe').


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The Rod of Fire from the Mage Origin in DAO is pretty much a magic wand designed to focus fire spells, so I suppose we can say wands do exist (in a fashion) within the lore, although they're not commonly used even among Circle mages.

 

On a related note, Felassan's staff from Masked Empire could shrink to the size of a walking stick. Although unless Tevinter managed to steal the knowledge when the ransacked Elvhenan, it's likely only the Ancient Elves that can create magically collapsible staves.

 

(Which is a shame, because I would love a magic pimp-cane) :lol:


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The Rod of Fire from the Mage Origin in DAO is pretty much a magic wand designed to focus fire spells, so I suppose we can say wands do exist (in a fashion) within the lore, although they're not commonly used even among Circle mages.

 

FUEGO!!!!


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FUEGO!!!!

Yesssssssss. I GET THAT REFERENCE

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I think I might've asked this before but does anyone know if there's ever been a female Archon/if they're allowed? I can't imagine why they wouldn't be since there's not a theological/oppositional reason like with the Black Divine but who knows.



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All of the known Archons on the DAwiki appear to be male. In general, Tevinter seems more patriarchal than the rest of Thedas, so it wouldn't surprise me if there haven't been any female Archons at all. That said, I don't know if there is an outright prohibition on them.

 

As you know, Tevinter is heavily mired in tradition. There isn't even an official prohibition on a female Divine, but as Dorian says, "That's the way it's always been done." So it might just be that the sitting Archon appoints a male as heir just because that is what tradition dictates, and that having a female heir "just isn't done." That's not to say it's impossible, but perhaps there haven't been any Archons willing to buck tradition in that regard.


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Wasn't it a Tevinter who established the Mortalitasi?
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#15086
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Wasn't it a Tevinter who established the Mortalitasi?

 

OH I did not know this! Thanks for this info. It makes a bit more sense that Dorian has the Necromancy spec now. Granted, for him it's not really the same thing, since the Nevarrans developed so many rituals around "caring" for their dead, but the basis of the art seems to be the same principle.

 

Where in the game is this revealed, anyway? The DAwiki is not clear on that.



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World of thedas volume 2

#15088
Gervaise

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Which page please, because I must have missed that bit and I'm having trouble finding it.  Edit: I've found it, it is in WoT1, page 53.

 

Apparently the founder of the Mortalitasi was an adviser to Caspar Pentaghast, which means this wasn't until well after the foundation of the Chantry and the alleged adoption of its faith throughout Thedas.     I thought that perhaps the tradition was much older than that and pre-dated the Chantry.    I suppose it is the fact that Caspar kicked Orlais out of Nevarra, likely with the help of his mage adviser, that allowed it to flourish as it did but it does seem odd that the Chantry didn't try and get it wiped out seeing as was founded by a Tevinter mage.



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Why did I never notice this Tevinter hoodie at the Bioware store. :bandit:

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^ There's also this one.

 

I have the Inquisitor hoodie and I love it. It's very well made.



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I wonder if we are gonna end up having to play Kingmaker again in this game, since we got to name the Divine. I kinda hope not.

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I am still curious if we end in an arranged marriage, our Human Mage PC getting hitched might make things interesting. We've dealt with a great many aspects of love and relationships in Bioware games. What about pregnancy? What kinds of birth control to people have? With Mages I think it is easier. One good use for that Barrier Spell am I right?

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We helped settle Orzammar, Ferelden, the Imperial throne of Orlais and the Andrastian Chantry. Archon is a likely candidate, or maybe something smaller like competing heirs to a important noble house.

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I wonder if we are gonna end up having to play Kingmaker again in this game, since we got to name the Divine. I kinda hope not.

I wouldn't mind being king
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^ There's also this one.
 
I have the Inquisitor hoodie and I love it. It's very well made.


Ooh, I like that one too! I need the Tevinter U one so I can wear it to school for... motivation. :ph34r:

I wonder if we are gonna end up having to play Kingmaker again in this game, since we got to name the Divine. I kinda hope not.


I actually thought we'd address the Nevarran succession crisis in DAI. Was completely blindsided by the Divine choice, so who knows?

I am still curious if we end in an arranged marriage, our Human Mage PC getting hitched might make things interesting. We've dealt with a great many aspects of love and relationships in Bioware games. What about pregnancy? What kinds of birth control to people have? With Mages I think it is easier. One good use for that Barrier Spell am I right?


As far as getting hitched goes, I imagine it'd be pretty low-key like it has been in previous games. Alistair, Anora, and Sebastian were all dialogue-based, and Sera and Cullen had brief little cutscenes, but that's it.

Wynne says something about mages using birth control in the Circle (and Anders implies that mages in Circles frequently get rather friendly for lack of anything better to do), so I imagine there are spells and herbs that work as contraceptives or abortifacients. Flemeth and Morrigan likely use similar methods. I'd wager that the common people have access to less reliable means, probably lots of wives' tale remedies. Maybe condoms made out of sheep intestines.

A LI or parent asking if you want kids, or having the option to adopt a LI's child as your own would be alright. I'm really, really, really not interested in a forced pregnancy plotline, though. Errrk.

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Gervaise

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We had the girl friend getting pregnant plot back with Throne of Bhaal and that didn't really work because it wasn't believable that she could still continue adventuring with you heavily pregnant and then with the baby slung on her back.     The plot line worked with Morrigan because she left immediately after the final battle and then you don't see her again until after she had given birth.    Mostly I think that not getting LI or PC pregnant has been a combination of birth control (assumed) and lack of fertility.  



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I remember Aerie, the winged Elf fairy girl right? Man she was so cute. Our widdle Bhaalspawn.

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I doubt this would happen, but the art of binding a lot of Spirits into runes/ symbols within a tome seems to have skyrocketed in DA:I

 

Would be interesting if we could use books instead of staves;especially since the use of it is part of lore



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^ I like the idea of toting around my own grimoire. :ph34r:

And I wonder if we'll run into any of Varric's relatives while we're up north. Thorold's dead, but maybe he has other family in or around Tevinter? I have no idea where Bartrand is being kept if he's spared.

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^ I like the idea of toting around my own grimoire. :ph34r:

And I wonder if we'll run into any of Varric's relatives while we're up north. Thorold's dead, but maybe he has other family in or around Tevinter? I have no idea where Bartrand is being kept if he's spared.

Please, no more Varric.