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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Please, no more Varric.

Maevaris will probably reference him, at the least. 

 

Also: PLEASE,  ALL THE VARRIC! lol

[vertigomez]

Please, no more Varric.

No more Varric. Varric's dwarfy kin.

[Fredward]

No more Varric; Bianca.

[The Ascendant]

Is it a valid military tactic to intentionally sunder the Veil? Wasn't that what caused Sundermount to be messed up. So I reckon it can be done, but it shouldn't be done.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Is it a valid military tactic to intentionally sunder the Veil? Wasn't that what caused Sundermount to be messed up. So I reckon it can be done, but it shouldn't be done.

Wouldn't it require massive bloodshed, though? Which would be kind of redundant in a war.

 

I thought Sundermount got the thin veil it did b/c of the fighting there, not the other way around.

[Iakus]

Wouldn't it require massive bloodshed, though? Which would be kind of redundant in a war.

 

I thought Sundermount got the thin veil it did b/c of the fighting there, not the other way around.

It was the fight of a major battle, but one which both the elves and Tevinter unleashed numerous demons on each other.  Sounds like a lot more than a typical battle.

 

Edit:  Heck look at what happened to Soldier's Peak after too many demons got summoned

[Hellion Rex]

Is it a valid military tactic to intentionally sunder the Veil? Wasn't that what caused Sundermount to be messed up. So I reckon it can be done, but it shouldn't be done.

I imagine in the old days that the Tevinter war mages probably split the Veil in very small rifts to summon demons, not to sunder the Veil for its own sake.

[raging_monkey]

I'd love for spell that do that

[Gervaise]

There are places all over Thedas where the Veil is thin, particularly where there have been major battles or where they have been concentrations of magical energy being used.    Brecillian Forest was another place, which is why there are all those sylvans.     Then there was Aeonar and in fact the majority of Circle Towers, which could account for why mages had a tendency to get possessed because the veil was already thin.    Adamant Fortress was another such place, a combination of the site of many battles and magic use, which is why Pharamond went there to conduct his experiments.

 

To be honest, given the amount of blood magic that must have been carried out historically, not to mention ordinary magical activity, and the various battles that have been fought to try and conquer it over the years, you'd think the Veil at Minrathous would be very thin indeed.

[Yermogi]

No more Varric. Varric's dwarfy kin.

 

No more Varric; Bianca.

Yes to the first, and yes to the second, but only if we get to shove her off a cliff.

 

A small part of me still wishes Varric was a romance option, but the larger part of me thinks that his time is over in more than just the game; he's washed out within the universe of the game as well. By the time we finish his personal quest with Bianca, he's more pathetic than attractive. I would like to have the opportunity to have him show up in one or two quests where the PC (perhaps in true, callous, totally blunt Tevinter fashion) can tell him to get over her because the state he's in is just sad.

 

But I REALLY want a hot male dwarf romance option. REALLY want that. It would be so awesome if we got to go into the Dwarven Embassy and find a distant relation of Varric who is a warrior and also a well-respected literary critic under a pseudonym who denounces everything Varric writes and is penpals with the lady who is behind The Randy Dowager Quarterly. So want that. My noble mage would thrive on literary conversations with him. 

 

But aside from the hot male dwarf romance option (make it so, BW), I really want a dwarf to challenge all of Varric's assertions about dwarf-ness. Would be a fun thing to experience.

[nightscrawl]

But I REALLY want a hot male dwarf romance option. REALLY want that. It would be so awesome if we got to go into the Dwarven Embassy and find a distant relation of Varric who is a warrior and also a well-respected literary critic under a pseudonym who denounces everything Varric writes and is penpals with the lady who is behind The Randy Dowager Quarterly. So want that. My noble mage would thrive on literary conversations with him. 
 
But aside from the hot male dwarf romance option (make it so, BW), I really want a dwarf to challenge all of Varric's assertions about dwarf-ness. Would be a fun thing to experience.

 
Varric doesn't have a lot of respect for dwarven society. However, he is a surface-born dwarf, so his opinion is hardly unbiased. Even if he were a "dwarfy" dwarf, that society is so segmented by the caste system that it's difficult to look at it objectively if you're inside it.
 
It's not for me, but I'm hoping that the gay players get their dwarf KISA in the next game, male or female. I'd like a Korbin-type as a follower, even if I'm not interested in that type romantically.

[vertigomez]

A small part of me still wishes Varric was a romance option, but the larger part of me thinks that his time is over in more than just the game; he's washed out within the universe of the game as well. By the time we finish his personal quest with Bianca, he's more pathetic than attractive. I would like to have the opportunity to have him show up in one or two quests where the PC (perhaps in true, callous, totally blunt Tevinter fashion) can tell him to get over her because the state he's in is just sad.

I know what you mean. Replaying DA2 I remember why I was so *fans self* at the thought of him, but I'm less enthused about him in Inquisition. Someone theorized that DA2!Varric is Varric's idealized version of himself - suave and supportive, equipped with family drama llama and a mysterious love interest - while DAI!Varric is who he really is. I kinda see it.

But I REALLY want a hot male dwarf romance option. REALLY want that. It would be so awesome if we got to go into the Dwarven Embassy and find a distant relation of Varric who is a warrior and also a well-respected literary critic under a pseudonym who denounces everything Varric writes and is penpals with the lady who is behind The Randy Dowager Quarterly. So want that. My noble mage would thrive on literary conversations with him.

But aside from the hot male dwarf romance option (make it so, BW), I really want a dwarf to challenge all of Varric's assertions about dwarf-ness. Would be a fun thing to experience.

I am 100% on board with this. Not only for the hot dwarf option (though I'm hoping for both male and female dwarves), but I love the idea of a dwarfy dwarf who is rivals with Varric. Like Bartrand, only a thousand times more charming and gentlemanly and suave (okay basically not Bartrand at all but YOU FEEL ME). Love the literary critic angle.

Varric's a merchant prince from a formerly noble family who's into slumming it with the norms, Oghren was a disgraced warrior caste trying to rescue his wife and regain some semblance of honor, Sigrun was a casteless woman with a new purpose and a terminally perky outlook, Harding was the girl-next-door surface dwarf... there are so many possibilities and I want them all.

Varric doesn't have a lot of respect for dwarven society. However, he is a surface-born dwarf, so his opinion is hardly unbiased. Even if he were a "dwarfy" dwarf, that society is so segmented by the caste system that it's difficult to look at it objectively if you're inside it.

One thing I love about DA is how it challenges your perceptions. Blood magic, what makes an abomination an abomination... how Fenris and Dorian represent opposite ends of Tevinter society but both are given respect as characters. Things like that. So I'm eager to explore what more dwarves have to say about Orzammar's caste system (which is to say nothing of Kal'Sharok's society). Maybe a noblewoman who genuinely believes that her station in life is a sign of the Ancestors' favor and the casteless are just whining. Or a dwarven archeologist who's researching ancient surface colonies and wants to make a future for all dwarves topside. I'm weak and I just really love characters whose perspective is colored by their background.

It's not for me, but I'm hoping that the gay players get their dwarf KISA in the next game, male or female. I'd like a Korbin-type as a follower, even if I'm not interested in that type romantically.

I LOVE Korbin! I want to know more about his past. That guy is prime LI material, too.

[Heimdall]

I know what you mean. Replaying DA2 I remember why I was so *fans self* at the thought of him, but I'm less enthused about him in Inquisition. Someone theorized that DA2!Varric is Varric's idealized version of himself - suave and supportive, equipped with family drama llama and a mysterious love interest - while DAI!Varric is who he really is. I kinda see it.


I am 100% on board with this. Not only for the hot dwarf option (though I'm hoping for both male and female dwarves), but I love the idea of a dwarfy dwarf who is rivals with Varric. Like Bartrand, only a thousand times more charming and gentlemanly and suave (okay basically not Bartrand at all but YOU FEEL ME). Love the literary critic angle.

Varric's a merchant prince from a formerly noble family who's into slumming it with the norms, Oghren was a disgraced warrior caste trying to rescue his wife and regain some semblance of honor, Sigrun was a casteless woman with a new purpose and a terminally perky outlook, Harding was the girl-next-door surface dwarf... there are so many possibilities and I want them all.


One thing I love about DA is how it challenges your perceptions. Blood magic, what makes an abomination an abomination... how Fenris and Dorian represent opposite ends of Tevinter society but both are given respect as characters. Things like that. So I'm eager to explore what more dwarves have to say about Orzammar's caste system (which is to say nothing of Kal'Sharok's society). Maybe a noblewoman who genuinely believes that her station in life is a sign of the Ancestors' favor and the casteless are just whining. Or a dwarven archeologist who's researching ancient surface colonies and wants to make a future for all dwarves topside. I'm weak and I just really love characters whose perspective is colored by their background.

On a related note, this is why I find the idea of a qunari Mage raised in Tevinter interesting, either as a companion or my own character. I mean, being a qunari in Tevinter can't be easy but considering the alternative for mages elsewhere... Could be an interesting perspective.

[IHaveReturned1999]

I was doing some research about Tevinter Magisters are worshipping dragons as deities, and in return the dragons have them gifts of magic to rule Thedas. According to the bible scripture says the dragon represents Satan and he is the deceiver and the blight upon the inhabitants of the earth, hence the saying "Woe the inhabitants of the earth."

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9)


"The world will be totally deceived by the dragon and the world is obviously getting ready for him now. Never before in the history of mankind has there been so much interest in Satanism; witchcraft; the occult and other evil practices.

"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast..." (Revelation 13:4)

Which it explains here that blood magic is merely Satanism to give power unto the practitioner, and that is why Reavers drink the blood of a Dragon for power.

I think Tevinter are nothing but devil worshippers who performed blood sacrifices to the deities (Satan) for power.

Source:
http://www.jesus-is-...n_the_bible.htm

Modifié par IHaveReturned1999, 11 juillet 2016 - 02:03 .

[Fredward]

Y'know one thing I hope Bioware keeps in their lore/representations of Tevinter so far? The extreme survival of the fittest thing their magisters seem to have going on:

 

• Vivienne: I'm curious, Dorian: have you ever met the Black Divine?
• Dorian: I saw him once at a ball, but we never met. He had to leave early on account of assassination.
• Vivienne: Someone tried to kill him?
• Dorian: Kill him? No, no, he killed a magister. Could have waited until the dancing was finished.

 

• Dorian: Do you think they'll actually make you Divine?
• Cassandra: It seems anything is possible these days.
• Dorian: It's so odd. Like waiting for the Chantry fairy to appear."Congratulations! You're the ruler!"
• Cassandra: We do not engage in pitch battle for the position as you do in Tevinter.
• Dorian: The successor must prove he could slaughter his enemies, he doesn't actually do it. We're not savages.
• Cassandra: Indeed. The slaughter occurs after he becomes Divine.
• Dorian: (Chuckles) That's considered housekeeping.

 

 

 

I know I'd like to walk into a party and just kill someone to show my superiority.

 

 

[Lulupab]

While I don't like Vivienne, I certainly admire some of her traits. She is a southern mage but she has already put many power hungry magisters to shame and she is seen as one of the good mages in the process in a land that every mage is viewed with skepticism. Grand game, well played.

[The Ascendant]

Do you think we could encounter Feynriel or other Dreamers in Tevinter?

[Gervaise]

I think they will quietly forget Feynriel, considering he could be dead (or was it still possessed?) or tranquil in addition to being in Tevinter.    The problem with introducing any Dreamer into the plot is that they are meant to be rare and have unique powers.    That said, a Dreamer could be very useful in the fight against Solas, so I suppose it is a possibility that one of our followers might be a Dreamer.   If they did that, it would be interesting to see how they dealt with the Dreamer aspect of their abilities.

[Gervaise]

On the subject of Vivienne, I'd have loved to see the reaction of the Black Divine and the Magisters when they hear that she has been made Divine.   Would they celebrate, open up negotiations for a re-unification of the Chantries or immediately start scheming how to undermine her authority?

[nightscrawl]

^ I think at this point Tevinter has an "us against the world" mentality and there is likely little short of near annihilation that will change that. I'll wager that if there is a component in the next game where we have to help them in some way -- against the Qunari? -- that we will have to beat them over the heads with it until they accept.

 

Prideful, stubborn, skeptical, short-sighted, elitist, etc etc. That behavior doesn't change over night.

[Fredward]

I'd expect at least a cameo from Feynriel, Dreamers are supposed to be rare so it'd be weird if we didn't at least hear about him or something.

[straykat]

I think it'd be cool if Feynriel saved Hawke's ass, if by chance you tried to kill them off

[Xilizhra]

I was doing some research about Tevinter Magisters are worshipping dragons as deities, and in return the dragons have them gifts of magic to rule Thedas. According to the bible scripture says the dragon represents Satan and he is the deceiver and the blight upon the inhabitants of the earth, hence the saying "Woe the inhabitants of the earth."

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9)


"The world will be totally deceived by the dragon and the world is obviously getting ready for him now. Never before in the history of mankind has there been so much interest in Satanism; witchcraft; the occult and other evil practices.

"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast..." (Revelation 13:4)

Which it explains here that blood magic is merely Satanism to give power unto the practitioner, and that is why Reavers drink the blood of a Dragon for power.

I think Tevinter are nothing but devil worshippers who performed blood sacrifices to the deities (Satan) for power.

Source:
http://www.jesus-is-...n_the_bible.htm

Until now, I didn't think you were a troll, because your positions were at least internally consistent. Suffice it to say that this is no longer the case, given your citation of that site of all sites.

 

 

 

Y'know one thing I hope Bioware keeps in their lore/representations of Tevinter so far? The extreme survival of the fittest thing their magisters seem to have going on:

 

• Vivienne: I'm curious, Dorian: have you ever met the Black Divine?
• Dorian: I saw him once at a ball, but we never met. He had to leave early on account of assassination.
• Vivienne: Someone tried to kill him?
• Dorian: Kill him? No, no, he killed a magister. Could have waited until the dancing was finished.

 

• Dorian: Do you think they'll actually make you Divine?
• Cassandra: It seems anything is possible these days.
• Dorian: It's so odd. Like waiting for the Chantry fairy to appear."Congratulations! You're the ruler!"
• Cassandra: We do not engage in pitch battle for the position as you do in Tevinter.
• Dorian: The successor must prove he could slaughter his enemies, he doesn't actually do it. We're not savages.
• Cassandra: Indeed. The slaughter occurs after he becomes Divine.
• Dorian: (Chuckles) That's considered housekeeping.

 

 

 

I know I'd like to walk into a party and just kill someone to show my superiority.

 

It seems rather Sith Empire-esque.

 

Also, I strongly hope, still, that we can play a worshiper of the Old Gods.

[Gervaise]

I feel it is interesting that the main patron god of Minrathous was Razikale and she is still in circulation, the darkspawn not having got to her yet.    Why did she stop speaking to her followers?   Those Tevinter had gone all the way to the Frostback Basin trying to find an answer to that.   Even if you are not allowed to be a worshipper of the old gods, I think there is a strong likelihood we are going to encounter some believers.   Aurelian Titus was meant to be the leader of one such cult and even if he is dead, presumably some the others are still in circulation, even if the main cult was broken on his death.   Given he was a favourite of Archon Davan and allegedly proving a match for both Archon Radonis and the Black Divine before his untimely demise, I should imagine the dragon cult was pretty widespread in Tevinter society.  Given he was suspected of working from the shadows for many years before he got his seat on the Magisterium, may be there will be a dragon cult associated with a group of Tevinter assassins.

[Yermogi]

Also, I strongly hope, still, that we can play a worshiper of the Old Gods.

I do think it would be cool to see some of that happening. I feel like Old God worship is a bit like Blood Magic in Tevinter. It's bad, everyone publicly denounces it, but pretty much everyone dabbles (or more) at some point or another in their lives.

 

Now, I don't think that worshipers of the Old God exist in the sense that there's temples and stuff dedicated to them, or they have gatherings (at least outside of cults and certainly not in public), but it would be interesting to see Tevinters say things like "By the fangs of Toth!" as a curse, and perhaps keeping old superstitious practices, like maybe if you see a carving of an Old God, give a sign of respect lest bad luck fall upon you. Things like that exist in our societies today, such as knock on wood, four leaf clovers, that sort of thing. 

 

Honestly I'm not sure there is anything to worship anymore, since it seems that five out of the seven Old Gods have fallen to the Blight. If the last two (possibly three, since there seemed to be an eighth erased from history) were to awaken, I can't imagine they'd have much of a power base. But I agree that it would be great to play a character who is interested and perhaps enthusiastic about the Old Gods and the worship of them.