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[Steelcan]

Are there any old gods worshippers left? It'd be like finding some Hellenistic pagans in the late Byzantine empire, and there's not really any evidence of them still having a presence in modern Tevinter

[raging_monkey]

If they are still active then it's quietly practiced

[The Ascendant]

Call me old fashioned, I would prefer not to worship a god that can be killed.

[Lord of War]

Call me old fashioned, I would prefer not to worship a god that can be killed.

 

If there are Old God worshipers left, I doubt they think the Archdemons and their gods are really the same beings. Where does that idea even come from, anyway?

[Steelcan]

Would any hypothetical old gods worshippers still never the dead ones?

Or just the two that are keft?

[The Ascendant]

When the Blights began, the Old Gods stopped responding to their servants. Corypheus for instance doesn't hear the whispers of Dumat, he doesn't respond to prayers and cannot be sensed. For the high priest of a religion whose god actually interacted with you, to be met with nothing must have been harrowing. Somewhat ironic considering that Dumat was the Dragon of Silence.

[Gervaise]

According to World of Thedas 2 concerning the events in which Varric, Isabella and Alistair were involved in, there was a prominent and growing dragon cult that was connected with worship of the old gods, that was headed up by Aurelian Titus, which is why I mentioned him a few posts above.   That is very recent and so suggests that there are pockets of old god worship still in the Imperium.     It is hardly surprising considering they probably feel that worship of the Maker has got them nowhere and led to the decline of the Imperium.   Also, as I also state, the principle old god of Minrathous and Tevinter prior to the formation of the Imperium was Razikale and she is still out there somewhere.   No one knows why she stopped talking to her faithful but they at least have reason to hope that if they send up enough supplications, may be she will hear them.   It is not the same as the  Maker where they know he has categorically turned his back on them.    In fact you could argue that since Minrathous has never fallen, despite numerous attempts by different enemies, that in a way Razikale is still protecting it.    There are at least some positive reasons why people might secretly still worship the remaining old gods and surely as much justification as worshipping the Maker.  

[Andromelek]

I'm somewhat confused on that, wasn't Titus' plan to steal the blood of the Great Dragons so he could brainwash Thedas and become a "god" himself?

[The Ascendant]

I'm somewhat confused on that, wasn't Titus' plan to steal the blood of the Great Dragons so he could brainwash Thedas and become a "god" himself?

Pretty good plan. Erase the Qun and the Chant from the minds of everyone. Basically a giant magical reset button.

[Hellion Rex]

Until now, I didn't think you were a troll, because your positions were at least internally consistent. Suffice it to say that this is no longer the case, given your citation of that site of all sites.


It seems rather Sith Empire-esque.

Also, I strongly hope, still, that we can play a worshiper of the Old Gods.

I would certainly like that option.

I'd definitely play a worshipper of Razikale if possible.

[raging_monkey]

What was raz's focus again?

[Xilizhra]

What was raz's focus again?

Mystery.

[raging_monkey]

Thanks xil

[Hellion Rex]

I'm wondering if magic also fell under her dominion as well. Could that explain why the Minrathous Circle was built onto her old temple?

[The Ascendant]

What greater mystery is there other than magic? Although there is no Old God with a clear influence on magic, perhaps the Old Gods represent specific aspects of magic.
Dumat-Silence: A mage must constantly hear the whispers of demons, but when they finally master their powers, they effectively Silence them.
Zazikiel- Chaos: Magic formed from the stuff of chaos, the force for change. By mastering the Chaos a mage can change themselves and the world for better or worse.
Thoth- Fire: The element of power. Magic is power and like fire it can illuminate and destroy with equal potential. Control fire, control magic and it shall be your greatest weapon, to aid or destroy you.
Andoral- Slaves: Magic gives you control over life and the lives of others. You must enslave that power, dominate it, or you will be enslaved by it.
Urthemiel- Beauty: Magic is beautiful. The power of gods, capable of crafting beautiful wonders or terrifying atrocities. Make sure you use your magic to make the world a more wondrous place.
Razikale- Mystery: Magic is mysterious and must be studied. By unraveling mysteries old and new, you improve yourself and magic as a whole. Never stop exploring the mysteries of magic.
Lusacan-Night: The night if inevitable and eternal. As everything has a beginning, by default it must have an ending. Magic is no different. But do not mistake the night for oblivion. For as surely one day ends, another begins and when one spell ends, a new one is ready to begin.

[raging_monkey]

Nice idea

[Gervaise]

Well you could argue that magic is a mystery until it is revealed, or something similar, so Razikale could well be the goddess of magic.    Of course her portfolio is very similar to Dirthamen, the god of secrets and knowledge, which is another way you could define mystery.    I keep feeling that the elf gods are in some way linked to the old gods, because of the fact that there are seven of both (if you leave out Mythal and Fen'Harel) and there is a similarity between a lot of their spheres of influence, plus both sets are known to take on the form of a dragon, but then I veer back the other way and think they must be connected in some way to the Forgotten Ones.   However, I suppose it is possible that they are an entirely different pantheon  

 

Two of the gods have different interpretations placed on them in different parts of World of Thedas.   Zazikel was variously the goddess of freedom as well as the dragon of chaos, while Andoral was known as the god of unity as well as the dragon of slaves.  I wonder if that is going to be important.

 

Whatever the case, I'm pretty sure that Razikale is going to be important to the next plot because of the way they flag her up in Jaws of Hakkon.  

[Iakus]

Are there any old gods worshippers left? It'd be like finding some Hellenistic pagans in the late Byzantine empire, and there's not really any evidence of them still having a presence in modern Tevinter

Their might be a few hidden cults still kicking about.  Just as there are a few dragon cults still out there in remote areas.

 

But as a whole, their power was broken and scattered when one of the Old Gods tried to destroy thedas with darkspawn...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Would any hypothetical old gods worshippers still never the dead ones?

Or just the two that are keft?

 

World of Thedas suggest the few remaining Old God cults currently only worship the Razikale and Lusacan.

[IHaveReturned1999]

Until now, I didn't think you were a troll, because your positions were at least internally consistent. Suffice it to say that this is no longer the case, given your citation of that site of all sites.

Dude it's only educational of how Tevinter are known for blood magic, blood sacrifices, and worshipping dragons as deities. Technically Tevinter Imperium are a bunch of devil worshippers who performed blood rituals similar to Satanism which the entire nation is evil and racist.

[Daerog]

The Avvar gods can be... reborn? Y'know, a new spirit taking on the role.

Could old god cultists do the same for the Old Gods? Maybe make New Gods? The Old Gods do seem different from spirits, but they could have just been powerful spirits that took on flesh like Cole.

Although, Avvar seem more concerned about the roles of their gods, not their... ummm... personhood? Individual selves? Whatever.

If one doesn't wish to worship a being that transcends the Fade and material world, they could try to make their own gods or try to achieve godhood themselves. (Kind of reminds me of that baldurs gate setting, forgotten realms.)

[Fredward]

The Avvar gods can be... reborn? Y'know, a new spirit taking on the role.

Could old god cultists do the same for the Old Gods? Maybe make New Gods? The Old Gods do seem different from spirits, but they could have just been powerful spirits that took on flesh like Cole.

Although, Avvar seem more concerned about the roles of their gods, not their... ummm... personhood? Individual selves? Whatever.

If one doesn't wish to worship a being that transcends the Fade and material world, they could try to make their own gods or try to achieve godhood themselves. (Kind of reminds me of that baldurs gate setting, forgotten realms.)

 

The Avvar relationship with their gods seems relatively unique.

 

Statement: Korth the Mountain Father is just a powerful spirit!

Avvar: Yeah, so?

 

Statement: The Maker is just a powerful spirit!

Andrastian: BURN THE HERETIC!

 

I don't imagine the worshipers of the old gods would respond much differently from the Andrastian. Anyone but the Avvar so far seem to imbue their objects of worship with an ephemeral element of otherness, distinct from everything else. If they were so inclined they probably could  fashion something like new gods but it'd never be anything more to them than a spirit imitating a god.

 

That's how I see it anyway.

[Daerog]

Well, we have seen Vints gunning for godhood, so artificial godhood is not that alien to them.

I'm betting some groups know about the old elf gods, even now with the Venatori uncovering as much as the Inquisition did.


I really hope the Venatori are still an active faction, even if they are greatly diminished. They are interesting and could be useful. They were like the Other Inquisition in a way.

[nightscrawl]

The Avvar relationship with their gods seems relatively unique.

 

Statement: Korth the Mountain Father is just a powerful spirit!

Avvar: Yeah, so?

 

Statement: The Maker is just a powerful spirit!

Andrastian: BURN THE HERETIC!

 

I don't imagine the worshipers of the old gods would respond much differently from the Andrastian. Anyone but the Avvar so far seem to imbue their objects of worship with an ephemeral element of otherness, distinct from everything else. If they were so inclined they probably could  fashion something like new gods but it'd never be anything more to them than a spirit imitating a god.

 

That's how I see it anyway.

 

Well the thing with the Maker is that Andrastians believe He created spirits. It's essentially the same as saying, "God is just an all-powerful, omnipotent human." Despite His power and omnipotence, being "just another human" doesn't really make Him seem that great. The Maker, or God, can't be the same as us lowly humans, subject to the same weaknesses and so on**. Look at the Greek and Roman gods and all the drama they got up to, or even look at the elven Creators.

 

Some cultures like some humanity in their gods, while others do not.

 

 

 

** Yes, for the most part I'm ignoring the Old Testament where God is pretty much depicted as an a-hole. The majority of Andrastianism is New Testament-ish, since there aren't too many examples of the Maker's previous interference (due to limited lore information provided by the developers), and that He is currently "absent."

[nightscrawl]

I really hope the Venatori are still an active faction, even if they are greatly diminished. They are interesting and could be useful. They were like the Other Inquisition in a way.

 
They are, according to one of the Dorian epilogue slides. I doubt they would ever truly be eliminated (much to the Archon's annoyance), anyway, since there will always be those sorts of groups in every nation. They may lie low for a time, but they're still there.

Also, Calpernia is (likely) still alive, so she may have some influence with the remnants.