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[vertigomez]

Posted this in the dwarf thread, too:

Does anyone else think Corypheus's taunts towards a Dwarfquisitor are particularly interesting?

"You think to best me? A runted dirt-worshipper? Your people have ever been the sand beneath Tevinter heels!"

Now, he could mean this literally, since dwarves... ya know... live underground. But given Tevinter's supposedly historically solid relationship with the dwarves, do you think it could mean there's more bad blood than we've been lead to believe?

[Arvaarad]

It'd be remiss if blood mage was not a spec in Tevinter, hoping for shapeshifter too. Depending on how they do it it could stand in for arcane warrior in terms of tankiness/damage. I'd want rift/force mage tho

Depending on the backgrounds, I wonder if blood magic will be the way healing/barrier is for southern mages. Small BM options available to everyone in the common trees, with more powerful stuff as a specialization.

[The Ascendant]

I don't think we should take Corypheus serious at that moment. He was having a classic Villainous Breakdown and lashing out against the Herald. 

[vertigomez]

I don't think we should take Corypheus serious at that moment. He was having a classic Villainous Breakdown and lashing out against the Herald.

Sure, but there's some honesty (as he sees it) there. He thinks a non-mage human is being uppity by acting out against a superior (a mage), he talks about the qunari being... whatever they are.

To an elf:
- "In my time, we called your people rattus."
- "Look at you, wearing slave markings on your face with pride!"
- "You are nothing; a race of snivelling cowards that shrank before Tevinter power!"
To a qunari:
- "What do they call you? A qunari? Your blood is engorged with decay! Your race is not a race, it is a mistake!"
To a human:
- (Mage) "You think to best me? With your feeble magicks?"
- "Look at you; a soporati, nipping at the heels of your betters!"
- "You are nothing! All you love will be ground under the Imperium’s heel!"

[raging_monkey]

Wonder how powerful Cory is without gameplay /story segregation

[The Elder King]

Wonder how powerful Cory is without gameplay /story segregation

I think he'd be between the most powerful mages in thedas' history, if we exclude the Evanuris from the list.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If Corypheus knows about the Vallaslin and he knows what Qunari are, maybe he knows that the Dwarves are mining the Titans and possibly weakening them at Tevinter's benefit. Could that what he meant by the "sand" comment? That they don't know Tevinter is "walking on them" by taking the Lyrium and benefiting disproportionately on the deal?

[The Ascendant]

All great lies have elements of truth in them. Considering Corypheus came from a time period when a Tevinter Magister was the pinnacle of power and perfection anything 'other' would be seen as inferior and weak.

[Fredward]

Depending on the backgrounds, I wonder if blood magic will be the way healing/barrier is for southern mages. Small BM options available to everyone in the common trees, with more powerful stuff as a specialization.

 

I think Dorian hints at something like this when you ask him about blood magic's usage in Tevinter. He draws a distinction between "spilling your own blood or that of a willing participant" and 'real' blood magic involving sacrifices and whatever. It's interesting because the implication here (combined with a codex you find in Caer Bronach which I don't remember the name of atm) is that 'real' blood magic has an effect outside of battle. Like a persistent +3 to your magical ass kickery, persistent here meaning for like a few days or a week or something I dunno. It'd also explain how blood magic has gained a reputation for innate corruption, if you sacrificed a slave and then went out and murdered a rival magister and that boost wears off in the shark tank of Tevinter it must make you feel so naked.

 

Outside of Tevinter too probably but especially there.

 

This all makes me wanna go to Tevinter even more. >.<

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Sure, but there's some honesty (as he sees it) there. He thinks a non-mage human is being uppity by acting out against a superior (a mage), he talks about the qunari being... whatever they are.

To an elf:
- "In my time, we called your people rattus."
- "Look at you, wearing slave markings on your face with pride!"
- "You are nothing; a race of snivelling cowards that shrank before Tevinter power!"
To a qunari:
- "What do they call you? A qunari? Your blood is engorged with decay! Your race is not a race, it is a mistake!"
To a human:
- (Mage) "You think to best me? With your feeble magicks?"
- "Look at you; a soporati, nipping at the heels of your betters!"
- "You are nothing! All you love will be ground under the Imperium’s heel!"

 

I would have really loved it if Mage Inquisitors could have replied "Whose the better mage now, Darkspawn ?" or "Whose the one with the feeble magics now" after defeating him ?

 

The thing that interest me is the most is that Corypheus knows that the Vallaslin are slave markings. Does this mean the people in post-Veil Arlathan knew what they were ?

 

Another fascinating this that Lavellan IRL actually means a mythical rodent that can spew poison. So Corypheus is actually in the right for calling Lavellan Inquisitors, especially the ones that use poison as rattus.

 

Source:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavellan

 

As for the Qunari, I think the Ancient Tevinters found the proto-Kossith and did some crazy shite on them involving Dragon Blood which inadvertently resulted in the creation of the Qunari. Either that or Ancient Elvhen did the crazy shite involving Dragon Blood, courtesy of Ghilan'nain.

[raging_monkey]

I rather liked "you wanted into the fade" bit of irony

[Iakus]

I think he'd be between the most powerful mages in thedas' history, if we exclude the Evanuris from the list.

 

Indeed.

 

He's a magister, so a master of Fade magic and Blood magic when the Imperium was at the height of its power.

 

He's also likely "mastered his taint", and can do shi...stuff thought impossible with it.

 

He also had and could wield the orb, which, unless Guardians of the Galaxy has lied to me, can destroy entire planets...

[vertigomez]

If Corypheus knows about the Vallaslin and he knows what Qunari are, maybe he knows that the Dwarves are mining the Titans and possibly weakening them at Tevinter's benefit. Could that what he meant by the "sand" comment? That they don't know Tevinter is "walking on them" by taking the Lyrium and benefiting disproportionately on the deal?

Could be. That, combined with his general megalomania, would be a potent combination.

I'm just really fascinated by all the ways the various cultures and races interact with each other in this setting.

[raging_monkey]

Indeed.

He's a magister, so a master of Fade magic and Blood magic when the Imperium was at the height of its power.

He's also likely "mastered his taint", and can do shi...stuff thought impossible with it.

He also had and could wield the orb, which, unless Guardians of the Galaxy has lied to me, can destroy entire planets...

he must be a hit with the ladies if he can master the taint

[Iakus]

he must be a hit with the ladies if he can master the taint

Even Sera ponders what's under his robes 

[Gervaise]

That dwarf quote does seem odd considering that ancient Tevinter was meant to have had such a great friendship with the dwarves.    However, there were some odd things about that.   They moved the capital from Kal Sharok to Orzammar and the Shaperate claim it was because the spread of human influence had weakened the Imperium.  That makes no sense at all because this was only 25 years after the founding of the Tevinter Imperium and the forging of the alliance between Darinius and Endrin Stonehammer, so the Imperium was on the rise.   However, if they didn't want to be so dependent on just one set of humans and feared the magic of the Imperium, that could account for them shifting their capital so far south because Tevinter certainly hadn't got anywhere near conquering that far yet.    Then there was the reaction of Kal Sharok  to Cad'Halash sheltering the elves fleeing from Arlathan.   They wiped them out and the assumption is they were worried about jeopardising their relationship with Tevinter.   Why would that be?   Dwarves had access to the only sources of lyrium and Tevinter by this point needed shed loads of it.  You can practically name your price and some minor Thaig isn't really going to affect trade.    So something isn't right.  

 

That quote from Corypheus would seem to suggest that the relationship was very one sided and the dwarves did need the Imperium far more than the Imperium needed them.   It would seem that the Magisters already knew that the dwarven civilisation was an empire built on sand.    Did the Magisters already know about the Titans?    They are said to have scavenged the ruins of the elven empire before then.   The ancient Dreamers were shown holding foci.    And from the entry in the Arbor Wilds it seems you can also get information from foci in some way.    I think that could be the source of Corypheus' assertions at the end; he simply got the information from the orb but it could also be that as the High Priest of Dumat he had access to ancient records that no one else did back before the assault on the Golden City.   Which would be good because that means those records are likely there and we can take a look at them too.

[The Ascendant]

One of my biggest regrets in Inquisition was not being able to see Val Royeaux, one of the largest cities in Thedas, reduced to a shopping district. Hopefully Minrathous will not disappoint. Largest and oldest human city on Thedas? Can't wait. I really want to see the spot where Andraste died.

[Gervaise]

I'm hoping that this time we do get a proper city again, not like Kirkwall or Denerim but more like the one in Baldurs Gate 2, with different areas catering to different types of activity that we can really explore.   It was disappointing not seeing anything but a small district of Val Royeaux.   I want to see Minrathous in all its decadent glory but also see the underbelly as well and the slave market.   I want to see the Proving Grounds and the Ambassadoria, the gateway with the Juggernaut Golems and hopefully see inside the Circle that is the converted Temple to Razikale.   We've been hearing about Minrathous since DAO, so now we need to really see it.

[vertigomez]

I'm hoping for a city-based adventure, too. With the Frostbite engine and waaaay more development time, I think they can do great things.

I still want to see Orzammar in Frostbite. /sobs

That dwarf quote does seem odd considering that ancient Tevinter was meant to have had such a great friendship with the dwarves.    However, there were some odd things about that.   They moved the capital from Kal Sharok to Orzammar and the Shaperate claim it was because the spread of human influence had weakened the Imperium.  That makes no sense at all because this was only 25 years after the founding of the Tevinter Imperium and the forging of the alliance between Darinius and Endrin Stonehammer, so the Imperium was on the rise.   However, if they didn't want to be so dependent on just one set of humans and feared the magic of the Imperium, that could account for them shifting their capital so far south because Tevinter certainly hadn't got anywhere near conquering that far yet.    Then there was the reaction of Kal Sharok  to Cad'Halash sheltering the elves fleeing from Arlathan.   They wiped them out and the assumption is they were worried about jeopardising their relationship with Tevinter.   Why would that be?   Dwarves had access to the only sources of lyrium and Tevinter by this point needed shed loads of it.  You can practically name your price and some minor Thaig isn't really going to affect trade.    So something isn't right.  
 
That quote from Corypheus would seem to suggest that the relationship was very one sided and the dwarves did need the Imperium far more than the Imperium needed them.   It would seem that the Magisters already knew that the dwarven civilisation was an empire built on sand.    Did the Magisters already know about the Titans?    They are said to have scavenged the ruins of the elven empire before then.   The ancient Dreamers were shown holding foci.    And from the entry in the Arbor Wilds it seems you can also get information from foci in some way.    I think that could be the source of Corypheus' assertions at the end; he simply got the information from the orb but it could also be that as the High Priest of Dumat he had access to ancient records that no one else did back before the assault on the Golden City.   Which would be good because that means those records are likely there and we can take a look at them too.

Oh, I hadn't even thought about that! I love it. Not just the idea that we could get our hands on that information ( maybe it'll be handier than the Well of Sorrows was), but that the dwarves were insecure about their relationship with Tevinter. I wonder if this has anything to do with Kal-Sharok being "different" due to being at the mercy of the darkspawn for 950+ years... possibly ancient darkspawn magisters?

[Sifr]

I'm hoping for a city-based adventure, too. With the Frostbite engine and waaaay more development time, I think they can do great things.

I still want to see Orzammar in Frostbite. /sobs

 

Yeah, I want to see if they can pull of a living, breathing city with Frostback... make it so Bioware!

 

(Second vote for Orzammar and add one for Kirkwall)

[Heimdall]

I'm hoping for a city-based adventure, too. With the Frostbite engine and waaaay more development time, I think they can do great things.I still want to see Orzammar in Frostbite. /sobs

Plus no last gen limitations.

[IHaveReturned1999]

I wish there was choices to destabilize the Imperium to liberate slaves, and destroy the Magisterium and the Imperial Chantry. Because they benefit from their genocide, slavery, and murder against the enslaved peoples so I think there should be chaos and rebellions among the evil nation.

[raging_monkey]

Plus no last gen limitations.

hey last genre here(formerly )

[Gervaise]

Just been back to check on the meeting with Corypheus in Legacy.   Anyone else feel he was way more impressive then?    What I was checking up on was some of his words about the dwarves.   He asks if you are citizens of the Imperium and then if you are slaves of the dwarves.   I remember thinking at the time that I didn't know dwarves had slaves.   I suppose the dwarves in the Ambassadoria might have them but his first words seem to indicate he thought he was in the Deep Roads, which would suggest that dwarves had slaves generally back then.

 

The other curious thing was that first memory made me think that perhaps he was repeating what he thought when he first woke up after returning from the Black City.   In the timeline the First Blight started in -395 Ancient but the Wardens didn't discover the first intelligent darkspawn until after the death of Dumat  in -191.   I've often wondered what the Darkspawn Magisters were doing during the Blight and it could be the answer was nothing because they were asleep.   He says: "Is this a dream I wake from?   Am I in dwarven lands?   Why seem their roads so empty?"    Now he could just be speaking about the area we are in but what if he is talking about that earlier waking?   In which case the Deep Roads would seem empty because most of the dwarf Thaigs had been destroyed.   When Corypheus was High Priest I dare say that the Deep Roads would have been teeming with dwarves travelling from one Thaig to another.   So this would be why he was puzzled at them being so empty.

[Sifr]

I wish there was choices to destabilize the Imperium to liberate slaves, and destroy the Magisterium and the Imperial Chantry. Because they benefit from their genocide, slavery, and murder against the enslaved peoples so I think there should be chaos and rebellions among the evil nation.

 

The Magisterium and the Imperial Chantry aren't really at fault here, because they aren't inherently evil institutions, no more than the Circle or the Southern Chantry can be considered such. The real problem is that all these organisations have members who happen to do evil.

 

We've seen just as many rogue members of the Chantry and Templars, as we have evil Magisters and renegade Mages, so no-one's hands are clean.

 

The only difference between the South and Tevinter is that the political climate is different, the mages are in charge and that presences of slavery in the Imperium makes it more palatable for evil people to get away with their ill-deeds.